G-Sync that important?

[Soulreaver]

Hey Guys,

I have a G-sync capable Monitor but for HDR sake I lately connected a HDMI cable to it as the Monitor supports deeper blacks with it.

Although HDR looks much better I found that I often find myself wondering if my fps are on par.

Right now I'm playing Valhalla and although turning V-Sync on I recognize screen tearing and sometimes it also feels "unsmooth" it's not stuttery but as if my FPS went down to 45-50ish. And I can feel it although I play with Gamepad. What in general makes me less sensitive to fps.
Then I activate the fps counter and it's around 70fps. With HDMI the Monitor only supports 75Hz.

Now I wonder if it's just due to missing G-Sync or if my brain might do some tricks on me.

Anyone got some experience with it or did some testing?

[Decathect]

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@TeamGunstar


@The Others

Yeah my Display is 144Hz capable. Maybe my HDMI Cable has a to low Version to display 120hz might test that one out too.
Although I'm a bit confused by my system hang up at 140Hz. For now I'd stay away from Display OC.

I tested another HDMI cable. Still 75Hz on both inputs. Might be that both have a to low version. But atleast the first one came with the monitor. So I'd assume it isn't to low.

Keep in mind your 2080ti only has HDMI 2.0, only good for 4k max res, 120hz max hz, and reduced color depth.

And it doesn't really matter because your monitor is only HDMI 2.0 as well, not 2.1.

Any refresh rate above that will not work, hence the hang up.

[emoticorpse]

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@TeamGunstar

So I tested around with the black level setting and the different picture modes. Until I remembered that Valhalla uses a Fake HDR.

However the general Image of Black level "low" that outputs a deeper black I enjoy more.
Ingame the setting also produces a somewhat equal amount of detail in dark areas (went into a cave) although the linked Homepage shows otherwise. I think that's where Valhalla's fake HDR comes into place.

Overall I enjoyed my "unoptimized" settings more. It actually wasn't as contrasty rather the opposit the image was more "bland". But it looked more realistic and what was important for me is that the bright areas seemed bright and the dark areas seemed dark.

Like I said this Thread also wasn't meant to be about HDR so I think the HDR Topic can be closed. As I don't want to download a real HDR Title now to test everything out again as it can be very time intensive. But I made a Bookmark to the Blacklevel Homepage to use it later on.

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@The Others

Yeah my Display is 144Hz capable. Maybe my HDMI Cable has a to low Version to display 120hz might test that one out too.
Although I'm a bit confused by my system hang up at 140Hz. For now I'd stay away from Display OC.

I tested another HDMI cable. Still 75Hz on both inputs. Might be that both have a to low version. But atleast the first one came with the monitor. So I'd assume it isn't to low.

Do you have a dual display setup or single display?

[Soulreaver]

In general I use dual setup 38"+32"

But right now for testing purposes I only have the 38" connected.

[Soulreaver]

Ursprungligen skrivet av TeamGunstar:

Ursprungligen skrivet av AiR-Soulreaver:

@TeamGunstar


@The Others

Yeah my Display is 144Hz capable. Maybe my HDMI Cable has a to low Version to display 120hz might test that one out too.
Although I'm a bit confused by my system hang up at 140Hz. For now I'd stay away from Display OC.

I tested another HDMI cable. Still 75Hz on both inputs. Might be that both have a to low version. But atleast the first one came with the monitor. So I'd assume it isn't to low.

Keep in mind your 2080ti only has HDMI 2.0, only good for 4k max res, 120hz max hz, and reduced color depth.

And it doesn't really matter because your monitor is only HDMI 2.0 as well, not 2.1.

Any refresh rate above that will not work, hence the hang up.

Yeah didn't know of the 120Hz Limit. Damn HDMI if it wasn't for the blacklevel I wouldn't have to bother with this bs. But the visual difference is worth the stress. >.<

I also just downloaded FF15. Dumb me can't get away from HDR testing.

FF15 apparently has one of the best HDR implementations. It's also said about AC Origins but for now I wanted to stay away from another Ubisoft title.

[Decathect]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AiR-Soulreaver:

Ursprungligen skrivet av TeamGunstar:

Keep in mind your 2080ti only has HDMI 2.0, only good for 4k max res, 120hz max hz, and reduced color depth.

And it doesn't really matter because your monitor is only HDMI 2.0 as well, not 2.1.

Any refresh rate above that will not work, hence the hang up.

Yeah didn't know of the 120Hz Limit. Damn HDMI if it wasn't for the blacklevel I wouldn't have to bother with this bs. But the visual difference is worth the stress. >.<

Can you not get the black level you like while using the DP?

I personally wouldn't give up the 144hz. I'm sure there's some black boost or something, even without using HDR, where you could get an image thats pleasing to you.

[emoticorpse]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AiR-Soulreaver:

Ursprungligen skrivet av TeamGunstar:

Keep in mind your 2080ti only has HDMI 2.0, only good for 4k max res, 120hz max hz, and reduced color depth.

And it doesn't really matter because your monitor is only HDMI 2.0 as well, not 2.1.

Any refresh rate above that will not work, hence the hang up.

Yeah didn't know of the 120Hz Limit. Damn HDMI if it wasn't for the blacklevel I wouldn't have to bother with this bs. But the visual difference is worth the stress. >.<

I also just downloaded FF15. Dumb me can't get away from HDR testing.

FF15 apparently has one of the best HDR implementations. It's also said about AC Origins but for now I wanted to stay away from another Ubisoft title.

And I'm not sure if this is what you guys are talking about but have you messed with the Nvidia color settings? where it says RBG vs the 4.4.4 and 4.2.2 and 8bit vs 10bit things?

[Decathect]

Reason I'm asking this this, I'll use my monitor as an example a TUF Gaming VG32VQ1B.

These are my specs ok:

Panel Size (inch) : 31.5
Aspect Ratio : 16:9
Display Viewing Area (H x V) : 697.344 x 392.256 mm
Display Surface : Non-Glare
Backlight Type : LED
Panel Type : VA
Viewing Angle (CR≧10, H/V) : 178°/ 178°
Curvature : 1500R
Pixel Pitch : 0.272mm
Resolution : 2560x1440
Color Space (DCI-P3) : 90%
Brightness (Typ.) : 250cd/㎡
Contrast Ratio (Typ.) : 3000:1
ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio (ASCR) : 100000000:1
Display Colors : 16.7M
Response Time : 1ms MPRT
Refresh Rate (Max) : 165Hz
HDR (High Dynamic Range) Support : HDR10
Flicker-free : Yes
Trace Free Technology : Yes
GameVisual : Yes
Color Temp. Selection : Yes(4 modes)
GamePlus : Yes
HDCP : Yes
Extreme Low Motion Blur : Yes
VRR Technology : FreeSync™ Premium
GameFast Input technology : Yes
Low Blue Light : Yes
Multiple HDR Mode : Yes

Now...when I go into particular modes, regardless of the cable used, etc. The modes...like I have racing, fps, moba, scenery, srgb, etc...they directly effect the picture in different ways even if the settings are exactly the same. I can have a perfectly calibrated screen if using "fps" but if I set it to scenery, with the exact same values as fps, its crushing blacks. Some have HDR available as an option, some do not.

So what I'm trying to say is maybe you should use DP, and literally go through every mode until you find one you like. There has to be one mode (not sure what presets you have) that at least starts somewhere close to where you like it, then you can adjust as needed AND have the 144hz.

[Soulreaver]

Also in FF15 I find the black level low to be much better. Not as huge a difference as in Valhalla but still significant.

Maybe I'm just weird in that regard. Although I know there are others that also prefer the low black level.

I literally spend atleast 10-15 hours trying to calibrate my Monitor for HDR. I didn't have such a convenient side as you've shown me today but I also used calibration software. They were a bit tedious to use but whatever.

@emoticorpse
I already tried the other settings in the past. But yeah I found my prefered HDR settings and I'll stick to them for now. RGB 10 bit is also the standard for HDR as far as my understanding goes.

[Decathect]

Ursprungligen skrivet av emoticorpse:

Ursprungligen skrivet av AiR-Soulreaver:

Yeah didn't know of the 120Hz Limit. Damn HDMI if it wasn't for the blacklevel I wouldn't have to bother with this bs. But the visual difference is worth the stress. >.<

I also just downloaded FF15. Dumb me can't get away from HDR testing.

FF15 apparently has one of the best HDR implementations. It's also said about AC Origins but for now I wanted to stay away from another Ubisoft title.

And I'm not sure if this is what you guys are talking about but have you messed with the Nvidia color settings? where it says RBG vs the 4.4.4 and 4.2.2 and 8bit vs 10bit things?

You can only use 4.4.4 chroma over HDMI 2.0 IF you're not running 4k or 120hz.

Once you reach the limits of HDMI 2.0, the color depth has to give and you have to drop to 4.2.2 dithering.

[Decathect]

Here if you want to learn about Chroma

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling

[Guydodge]

gsync,vsync,freesync all great tools but it more so has to do with the monitor
and how it handles the FPS fluctuations.it dictates the results you'll get from any of them
a good solid monitor using vsync can work flawless.i have gsync but only use it
when necessary vsync does the job most of the time.and im also a huge HDR
fan use it in every game i can.but not in the traditional way.
so while nice to have another tool in the bag its not necessary.theres always a way
to smooth out a game.

[Guydodge]

just one more thing im not sure all monitors are the same but all 3 of mine overide
the modes when HDR turns on in the monitor.i would be surprised if yours does otherwise.
let me know im very curios about that.and 10bit is only avaliable at 120fps and lower.

[Pocahawtness]

I think you are beating a dead horse here. All monitors have weaknesses. Expensive ones have fewer weaknesses, but they still have weaknesses. I think in particular if you want really BIG then you unfortunately reduce your choice and at the moment all of the 38" have pretty much the same weaknesses. Low contrast and poor HDR. The only monitor that even comes close to what you want is the very expensive Samsung G9.

[dOBER]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness:

I think you are beating a dead horse here. All monitors have weaknesses. Expensive ones have fewer weaknesses, but they still have weaknesses. I think in particular if you want really BIG then you unfortunately reduce your choice and at the moment all of the 38" have pretty much the same weaknesses. Low contrast and poor HDR. The only monitor that even comes close to what you want is the very expensive Samsung G9.

Weakness is a good keyword.
My new monitor offers 10 times better black with diming zones activ compare to my old but yes its far from perfect.

https://imgur.com/a/Ol4aL2P

[Soulreaver]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Guydodge:

just one more thing im not sure all monitors are the same but all 3 of mine overide
the modes when HDR turns on in the monitor.i would be surprised if yours does otherwise.
let me know im very curios about that.and 10bit is only avaliable at 120fps and lower.

I tested most settings with HDMI and DP input and actually contrast and black level carry over to HDR when using HDMI.
When using DP only contrast carrys over to HDR.

Regarding the vsync. Now that it runs at stable 75fps it looks better and I don't see any tearing. It's not perfect probably due to Hz but good enough for SP Games.

Ursprungligen skrivet av ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness:

I think you are beating a dead horse here. All monitors have weaknesses. Expensive ones have fewer weaknesses, but they still have weaknesses. I think in particular if you want really BIG then you unfortunately reduce your choice and at the moment all of the 38" have pretty much the same weaknesses. Low contrast and poor HDR. The only monitor that even comes close to what you want is the very expensive Samsung G9.

Yeah like always you have to take the good with the bad. It's definetly a keeper Monitor for sure and I somewhat feel lucky that I realy like the low black level HDR optic even if it's not the absolute HDR experience.

I never actually wanted to talk about my Monitors HDR capabilitys. But yeah could have seen that comming knowing how Steam works :D

I mean overall this is as first world problem as it gets.

Ursprungligen skrivet av dOBER:

Ursprungligen skrivet av ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness:

I think you are beating a dead horse here. All monitors have weaknesses. Expensive ones have fewer weaknesses, but they still have weaknesses. I think in particular if you want really BIG then you unfortunately reduce your choice and at the moment all of the 38" have pretty much the same weaknesses. Low contrast and poor HDR. The only monitor that even comes close to what you want is the very expensive Samsung G9.

Weakness is a good keyword.
My new monitor offers 10 times better black with diming zones activ compare to my old but yes its far from perfect.

https://imgur.com/a/Ol4aL2P

That's still edge lit isn't it? A bit hard to tell the resolution is a bit low.

Before getting my 38" I tested a 34" with HDR1000 it looked a lot better but 34" is smaller than 32" so I couldn't stand the size downgrade. So I took the size for the HDR downgrade.