G-Sync that important?

[Soulreaver]

Hey Guys,

I have a G-sync capable Monitor but for HDR sake I lately connected a HDMI cable to it as the Monitor supports deeper blacks with it.

Although HDR looks much better I found that I often find myself wondering if my fps are on par.

Right now I'm playing Valhalla and although turning V-Sync on I recognize screen tearing and sometimes it also feels "unsmooth" it's not stuttery but as if my FPS went down to 45-50ish. And I can feel it although I play with Gamepad. What in general makes me less sensitive to fps.
Then I activate the fps counter and it's around 70fps. With HDMI the Monitor only supports 75Hz.

Now I wonder if it's just due to missing G-Sync or if my brain might do some tricks on me.

Anyone got some experience with it or did some testing?

[_I_]

if the fps is dropping below 60, lower settings or get a better cpu/gpu


gsync/freesync is best on displays over 120hz on systems that cant hold that high of fps

if you enable gsync/freesync it will lower the refresh rate to match the gpus output
but dropping too low will still look like a slideshow

[Soulreaver]

Did you actually read my post? :D

1. It doesn't drop below 60.
2. On HDMI G-Sync doesn't work that's why I'm asking
3. It's a 144hz Monitor. It just doesn't support HDMI 144Hz probably due to data restrictions of that HDMI implementation. DP supports 144Hz.

[Big Doniel]

Publicado originalmente por AiR-Soulreaver:

Hey Guys,

I have a G-sync capable Monitor but for HDR sake I lately connected a HDMI cable to it as the Monitor supports deeper blacks with it.

Although HDR looks much better I found that I often find myself wondering if my fps are on par.

Right now I'm playing Valhalla and although turning V-Sync on I recognize screen tearing and sometimes it also feels "unsmooth" it's not stuttery but as if my FPS went down to 45-50ish. And I can feel it although I play with Gamepad. What in general makes me less sensitive to fps.
Then I activate the fps counter and it's around 70fps. With HDMI the Monitor only supports 75Hz.

Now I wonder if it's just due to missing G-Sync or if my brain might do some tricks on me.

Anyone got some experience with it or did some testing?

Linus tested G-Sync years ago, that might be worth checking out. V-sync is a bit of a mess if you can't meet your monitors refresh rate/a multiple of it, that's what makes G-sync so good. We see the issues consoles in particular have with it. If you can lower some settings to exceed 75fps, you should have a smoother experience with V-sync.

[Soulreaver]

Publicado originalmente por Big Doniel:

Publicado originalmente por AiR-Soulreaver:

Hey Guys,

I have a G-sync capable Monitor but for HDR sake I lately connected a HDMI cable to it as the Monitor supports deeper blacks with it.

Although HDR looks much better I found that I often find myself wondering if my fps are on par.

Right now I'm playing Valhalla and although turning V-Sync on I recognize screen tearing and sometimes it also feels "unsmooth" it's not stuttery but as if my FPS went down to 45-50ish. And I can feel it although I play with Gamepad. What in general makes me less sensitive to fps.
Then I activate the fps counter and it's around 70fps. With HDMI the Monitor only supports 75Hz.

Now I wonder if it's just due to missing G-Sync or if my brain might do some tricks on me.

Anyone got some experience with it or did some testing?

Linus tested G-Sync years ago, that might be worth checking out. V-sync is a bit of a mess if you can't meet your monitors refresh rate/a multiple of it, that's what makes G-sync so good. We see the issues consoles in particular have with it.

So if I lower the settings a bit to get the 5fps increase it should be better? Although I don't plan to drop the settings to meet a 1% low of 75fps. That would probably be insane but a average of 75fps should be no big deal. (Edit: Alright. Thanks a lot!)

In general I find Linus to be a bit. Let's say surface level and more on the entertainment side.
But I'll check it out.

[Soulreaver]

https://imgur.com/a/20Gkht9

I adjusted the AA to low and activated my OC. GPU isn't fully utilized now but I think it feels as smooth as it gets with that refresh rate. Would it make a difference If I also activate the ingame FPS limiter?

Due to the fact that I realy fkn love HDR I probably need to find a way to make HDMI work as good as possible. Atleast for HDR Games.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

I can only say for freesync,
but if it works, it works great.
Without traditional vsync, it's harder to notice frame drops, since vsync introduces microstutters. And you get the advantage, of not having annoying tearing on your screen.

Only problem is that only few games were able to use it. Many just didn't work, while some others just worked fine.

But adaptive sync is a cool tech. I'd recommend getting it. Just hope for you that gsync works better in games than freesync did for me.

[Pocahawtness]

Yes it is better to lower the settings so that you never fall below 75Hz. You can cap the fps now in the NVIDIA control panel but that won't help you. It is normal to cap it to a few frames below the sync rate but only for adaptive sync. You aren't using your adaptive sync so there is no advantage to capping it.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Cant exactly tell if this is a serious thread or not but Im going to give it a try.
Could you tell us what monitor model were talking about ?

edit : What exactly prevents you from using a DP cable ? And yes, G-Sync/Free-Sync is something you dont want to miss.

[Soulreaver]

Publicado originalmente por The Nintendo guy:

I can only say for freesync,
but if it works, it works great.
Without traditional vsync, it's harder to notice frame drops, since vsync introduces microstutters. And you get the advantage, of not having annoying tearing on your screen.

Only problem is that only few games were able to use it. Many just didn't work, while some others just worked fine.

But adaptive sync is a cool tech. I'd recommend getting it. Just hope for you that gsync works better in games than freesync did for me.

G-Sync works flawless in any game. At least for me it does.

Publicado originalmente por ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness:

Yes it is better to lower the settings so that you never fall below 75Hz. You can cap the fps now in the NVIDIA control panel but that won't help you. It is normal to cap it to a few frames below the sync rate but only for adaptive sync. You aren't using your adaptive sync so there is no advantage to capping it.

So general fps management is the only thing I can do? Keeping fps to 75 is no bigger problem atleast in the averages. But I realy hoped there is more I could do.

Publicado originalmente por Schrute_Farms_B&B:

Cant exactly tell if this is a serious thrad or not but Im going to give it a try.
Could you tell us what monitor model were talking about ?

edit : What exactly prevents you from using a DP cable ? And yes, G-Sync/Free-Sync is something you dont want to miss.

This is a serious Thread. Atleast for me it is. LG 38WN95C.

HDMI allows Deep black mode. DP doesn't. That's why I'm using HDMI for Games I play in HDR.

[Big Doniel]

Publicado originalmente por AiR-Soulreaver:

Publicado originalmente por Big Doniel:

Linus tested G-Sync years ago, that might be worth checking out. V-sync is a bit of a mess if you can't meet your monitors refresh rate/a multiple of it, that's what makes G-sync so good. We see the issues consoles in particular have with it.

So if I lower the settings a bit to get the 5fps increase it should be better? Although I don't plan to drop the settings to meet a 1% low of 75fps. That would probably be insane but a average of 75fps should be no big deal. (Edit: Alright. Thanks a lot!)

In general I find Linus to be a bit. Let's say surface level and more on the entertainment side.
But I'll check it out.

Yeah, that 1% is what makes V-sync work. The games trying to show you a 75fps image, but if it's not actually achieving that then issues will arise. If you want to keep the same visual settings you could always try and lower the frame-rate target? 60fps would be an easily achievable target, and should still look as good!

[Pocahawtness]

I can't find any mention of this "deep black mode" so I can't say. It seems very odd to me though that this mode is only possible on the hdmi.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Publicado originalmente por AiR-Soulreaver:

This is a serious Thread. Atleast for me it is. LG 38WN95C.

HDMI allows Deep black mode. DP doesn't. That's why I'm using HDMI for Games I play in HDR.

What is "Deep Black"-Mode. Do you mean "HDMI Deep Color" ? DP is superior to HDMI in terms of literally everything. You name it.

This is a great monitor ,but it doesnt make much sense to use HDR on a monitor with 450cd/m². The contrast ratio isnt just big enough to display the fullHDR range and it makes it look kind of "washed out".
Thats why HDR400/600 / monitors with 300-500nits are called "Fake-HDR" and its suggested to turn it off.

If I were you, I would buy a DP1.4 cable and enjoy GSync. This doesnt make much sense. :)
But then again, its up to you.

[Soulreaver]

[quote=Big Doniel;5077247524960319691
Yeah, that 1% is what makes V-sync work. The games trying to show you a 75fps image, but if it's not actually achieving that then issues will arise. If you want to keep the same visual settings you could always try and lower the frame-rate target? 60fps would be an easily achievable target, and should still look as good! [/quote]

Capping it to 60 seems odd to me as 75Hz is 25% more frames. But that's something I could test too. Thanks.

Publicado originalmente por ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness:

I can't find any mention of this "deep black mode" so I can't say. It seems very odd to me though that this mode is only possible on the hdmi.

I just put the settings to english. In English it's called Black level. You can set it to low or high.

That's actually how I came up with HDMI because I was wondering how I could change that setting because whatever I did it stayed grayed out. So I tested HDMI.

When I set the value to low on HDMI and turned back to DP the setting still showed low but the image was clearly like using the high value.

[Soulreaver]

Publicado originalmente por Schrute_Farms_B&B:

Publicado originalmente por AiR-Soulreaver:

This is a serious Thread. Atleast for me it is. LG 38WN95C.

HDMI allows Deep black mode. DP doesn't. That's why I'm using HDMI for Games I play in HDR.

What is "Deep Black"-Mode. Do you mean "HDMI Deep Color" ? DP is superior to HDMI in terms of literally everything. You name it.

This is a great monitor ,but it doesnt make much sense to use HDR on a monitor with 450cd/m². The contrast ratio isnt just big enough to display the fullHDR range and it makes it look kind of "washed out".
Thats why HDR400/600 / monitors with 300-500nits are called "Fake-HDR" and its suggested to turn it off.

If I were you, I would buy a DP1.4 cable and enjoy GSync. This doesnt make much sense. :)
But then again, its up to you.

I love this Monitor and I aknowledge it's up's and down's with HDR. It's actual peak brightness goes to 700nits when in HDR Mode. I think it's is the 10% peak brightness. It's good in games where you are a lot outside and don't need the local dimming. In games like Tomb Raider it's awfull because the local dimming makes it almost look like a dimming on/off firework

sustained might be 450.

Regarding deep black mode I specified it on the post above. But in german the black level mode shows "deep" and "high"

I have a DP 1.4 Cable.

[Decathect]

Publicado originalmente por AiR-Soulreaver:

Publicado originalmente por Schrute_Farms_B&B:

What is "Deep Black"-Mode. Do you mean "HDMI Deep Color" ? DP is superior to HDMI in terms of literally everything. You name it.

This is a great monitor ,but it doesnt make much sense to use HDR on a monitor with 450cd/m². The contrast ratio isnt just big enough to display the fullHDR range and it makes it look kind of "washed out".
Thats why HDR400/600 / monitors with 300-500nits are called "Fake-HDR" and its suggested to turn it off.

If I were you, I would buy a DP1.4 cable and enjoy GSync. This doesnt make much sense. :)
But then again, its up to you.

I love this Monitor and I aknowledge it's up's and down's with HDR. It's actual peak brightness goes to 700nits when in HDR Mode. I think it's is the 10% peak brightness. It's good in games where you are a lot outside and don't need the local dimming. In games like Tomb Raider it's awfull because the local dimming makes it almost look like a dimming on/off firework

sustained might be 450.

Regarding deep black mode I specified it on the post above.

I have a DP 1.4 Cable.

The monitor is faking 700nits, the actual output is 450nits. Leave HDR off you're literally ruining your picture quality.

As for the deeper blacks, use DP and go into your nvidia settings and set the color space from limited to full under "output dynamic range", color output depth to 10bit, and Output color format to RGB.