Need advise on a new monitor?

[tango777]

Hi everyone, I'm it the market for a new monitor. Figure some here could share their thoughts about some. The list below is some of the features I would like to have.

high refresh rate
G-SYNC compatibility
1ms response time
IPS panel prefered but good VA might work
2560x1440 resolution
27-30 inch screen size.

Sp what are some of your monitors?

[☆ id/SweetRin ☆ [JP]]

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

Originalmente postado por Electro Master:

IPS monitors do burn in considering i had to replace a few because of it. Also buddy Wikipedia isn't a accurate all the time.

My VA monitor has 1ms response time at 2k. So i don't know where your getting your information but i think your full of it personally.

1ms is basically unachievable by VA panels; it's just marketing nonsense - they measure in grey to grey, the fastest pixel measured, with maximum overdrive setting (if applicable.)
Realistically, you're not going to see anywhere close to that in every day use.

2k is 1080p. (1920x1080p, first number rounded to the nearest half or whole, this case 2.) Same way that 3840x2160p is 4k.
Unless you mean 1440p, then that's 2.5k.

Wiki isn't accurate at all times (though in this instance, it's how a pixel behaves when it receives power, a measureable and repeatable thing.), no, but I cited another source, I can cite more if you'd like;
https://refreshrobot.com/can-monitors-get-burn-in/
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/image-retention-burn-in
As you can see in this last one, out of all of the monitors they tested here, the image was no longer retained after ~2 mins on all LCD (IPS, TN, and VA panels.)

For the VA response time; https://www.techspot.com/article/1788-display-tech-compared/
This article shows VA panel response times (with max overdrive setting, causing visual artifacts), and shows the fastest still being only 4.5ms.

Originalmente postado por Techspot:

VA panels are consistently the slowest of the three types, but again, high-end gaming monitors have been pushing this further on every generation. The absolute fastest VA panel we’ve measured so far has a 4ms response time which is very impressive, though more typical numbers are between 8 and 10 ms for gaming monitors.

And overdrive; https://blurbusters.com/faq/lcd-overdrive-artifacts/

Originalmente postado por ☆　甘い凛　☆　JP:

I'm going off my personal experiences. So yes I did have an IPS panel have burn in issues after 2 years of use.

I have had 3 IPS displays, none of which exhibited any signs of burn in, or long term image retention.
Some were used for many years.
Same story with TN displays, which I've had 7, none have experienced any issues.
I have a TV that uses VA panel, it hasn't experienced any issues either.
I have a few phones (3-4) that use IPS displays, none of those have issues either.

So, given my experience, with the hardware, not experiencing it, I had assumed it didn't exist. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but I haven't seen anything that states otherwise, except for anecdotal evidence (forum posts.)

I'm normally having my monitor settings
Red 50%
Green 50%
Blue 100%
And my contrast 100%
Brightness 100%

On my new monitor I have had my settings at
Red 80%
Green 80%
Blue100%
Contrast and brightness 100%

I found a monitor that eliminates the burn in but when it did burn in on my old one the burn one faded away after time. But always fromed new burn ins as I'm constantly doing stuff. Was unnoticeable most of the time unless you kept it there longer. The burn ins happen quickly but not to quick. Noticable when you transition into a more dark area in a game like skyrim.

[Autumn_]

Originalmente postado por ☆　甘い凛　☆　JP:

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

1ms is basically unachievable by VA panels; it's just marketing nonsense - they measure in grey to grey, the fastest pixel measured, with maximum overdrive setting (if applicable.)
Realistically, you're not going to see anywhere close to that in every day use.

2k is 1080p. (1920x1080p, first number rounded to the nearest half or whole, this case 2.) Same way that 3840x2160p is 4k.
Unless you mean 1440p, then that's 2.5k.

Wiki isn't accurate at all times (though in this instance, it's how a pixel behaves when it receives power, a measureable and repeatable thing.), no, but I cited another source, I can cite more if you'd like;
https://refreshrobot.com/can-monitors-get-burn-in/
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/image-retention-burn-in
As you can see in this last one, out of all of the monitors they tested here, the image was no longer retained after ~2 mins on all LCD (IPS, TN, and VA panels.)

For the VA response time; https://www.techspot.com/article/1788-display-tech-compared/
This article shows VA panel response times (with max overdrive setting, causing visual artifacts), and shows the fastest still being only 4.5ms.


And overdrive; https://blurbusters.com/faq/lcd-overdrive-artifacts/


I have had 3 IPS displays, none of which exhibited any signs of burn in, or long term image retention.
Some were used for many years.
Same story with TN displays, which I've had 7, none have experienced any issues.
I have a TV that uses VA panel, it hasn't experienced any issues either.
I have a few phones (3-4) that use IPS displays, none of those have issues either.

So, given my experience, with the hardware, not experiencing it, I had assumed it didn't exist. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but I haven't seen anything that states otherwise, except for anecdotal evidence (forum posts.)

I'm normally having my monitor settings
Red 50%
Green 50%
Blue 100%
And my contrast 100%
Brightness 100%

I found a monitor that eliminates the burn in but when it did burn in on my old one the burn one faded away after time. But always fromed new burn ins as I'm constantly doing stuff. Was unnoticeable most of the time unless you kept it there longer. The burn ins happen quickly but not to quick. Noticable when you transition into a more dark area in a game like skyrim.

If it goes away, it's not burn in, it's image retention. Which is also a non-issue, and will fade quite quickly once the display is off.

Originalmente postado por Jamebonds1:

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

I have had 3 IPS displays, none of which exhibited any signs of burn in, or long term image retention.
Some were used for many years.
Same story with TN displays, which I've had 7, none have experienced any issues.
I have a TV that uses VA panel, it hasn't experienced any issues either.
I have a few phones (3-4) that use IPS displays, none of those have issues either.

So, given my experience, with the hardware, not experiencing it, I had assumed it didn't exist. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but I haven't seen anything that states otherwise, except for anecdotal evidence (forum posts.)

That is good. Just 100% brightness and let panel get too hot is a bad idea.

I never run 100% brightness on any of them, it causes to much eye strain. It's a bad idea in pretty much every case I can think of.
Panel heat was always a non-issue, at least in my experience.

Originalmente postado por Jamebonds1:

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in#Plasma,_LCD,_and_OLED_displays
IPS displays don't get burn in.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
Here is a source that states they had the display displaying the same image for over 100 thousand hours, and had no issues with burn in. Surely it would've burned in over that time?

They do experience ghosting, yes some models do, some don't.

As for the TN panels, if you buy trash panels, just like IPS, they will smear/ghost/blur.
There are good TN panels, but they're still very washed out colour wise, and don't display good blacks.

VA, they have 10+ms of response time in every chart that I've seen (that actually measures response time.)
This means at 120+hz, they will smear/blur/ghost.
Sure, there could be one or two models that haven't got such a high response time, but the very vast majority do.

Actual, IPS can have a burn in if brightness were too high and panel is too hot. Used to be a common issue for old smartphone.

Those are old displays, I'm not sure if it was actual burn in there, since I didn't look into it, only modern stuff.
But, like I said, that's old outdated hardware that not many people will be running - non-issue.

[☆ id/SweetRin ☆ [JP]]

Originalmente postado por ☆　甘い凛　☆　JP:

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

1ms is basically unachievable by VA panels; it's just marketing nonsense - they measure in grey to grey, the fastest pixel measured, with maximum overdrive setting (if applicable.)
Realistically, you're not going to see anywhere close to that in every day use.

2k is 1080p. (1920x1080p, first number rounded to the nearest half or whole, this case 2.) Same way that 3840x2160p is 4k.
Unless you mean 1440p, then that's 2.5k.

Wiki isn't accurate at all times (though in this instance, it's how a pixel behaves when it receives power, a measureable and repeatable thing.), no, but I cited another source, I can cite more if you'd like;
https://refreshrobot.com/can-monitors-get-burn-in/
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/image-retention-burn-in
As you can see in this last one, out of all of the monitors they tested here, the image was no longer retained after ~2 mins on all LCD (IPS, TN, and VA panels.)

For the VA response time; https://www.techspot.com/article/1788-display-tech-compared/
This article shows VA panel response times (with max overdrive setting, causing visual artifacts), and shows the fastest still being only 4.5ms.


And overdrive; https://blurbusters.com/faq/lcd-overdrive-artifacts/


I have had 3 IPS displays, none of which exhibited any signs of burn in, or long term image retention.
Some were used for many years.
Same story with TN displays, which I've had 7, none have experienced any issues.
I have a TV that uses VA panel, it hasn't experienced any issues either.
I have a few phones (3-4) that use IPS displays, none of those have issues either.

So, given my experience, with the hardware, not experiencing it, I had assumed it didn't exist. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but I haven't seen anything that states otherwise, except for anecdotal evidence (forum posts.)

I'm normally having my monitor settings
Red 50%
Green 50%
Blue 100%
And my contrast 100%
Brightness 100%

I found a monitor that eliminates the burn in but when it did burn in on my old one the burn one faded away after time. But always fromed new burn ins as I'm constantly doing stuff. Was unnoticeable most of the time unless you kept it there longer. The burn ins happen quickly but not to quick. Noticable when you transition into a more dark area in a game like skyrim.

Yeah but it's worse than ghosting when your in-game. As it didn't fade away that quickly.

[☆ リンリン]

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

Originalmente postado por ☆　甘い凛　☆　JP:

I'm normally having my monitor settings
Red 50%
Green 50%
Blue 100%
And my contrast 100%
Brightness 100%

I found a monitor that eliminates the burn in but when it did burn in on my old one the burn one faded away after time. But always fromed new burn ins as I'm constantly doing stuff. Was unnoticeable most of the time unless you kept it there longer. The burn ins happen quickly but not to quick. Noticable when you transition into a more dark area in a game like skyrim.

If it goes away, it's not burn in, it's image retention. Which is also a non-issue, and will fade quite quickly once the display is off.

Originalmente postado por Jamebonds1:

That is good. Just 100% brightness and let panel get too hot is a bad idea.

I never run 100% brightness on any of them, it causes to much eye strain. It's a bad idea in pretty much every case I can think of.
Panel heat was always a non-issue, at least in my experience.

Originalmente postado por Jamebonds1:

Actual, IPS can have a burn in if brightness were too high and panel is too hot. Used to be a common issue for old smartphone.

Those are old displays, I'm not sure if it was actual burn in there, since I didn't look into it, only modern stuff.
But, like I said, that's old outdated hardware that not many people will be running - non-issue.

Just to be a tie breaker to all this yes I had IPS, VA, and TN all get burn ins. But it depends on how the monitor is made to avoid it which most are good on. But if you get retention with relative ease then your monitor is really bad. As bad image retention can result in worse things than ghosting and you rather have a ghosting issue than this. Even highly rated monitors have some bad image retention after a few months of use.

[Jamebonds1]

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

Originalmente postado por Jamebonds1:

That is good. Just 100% brightness and let panel get too hot is a bad idea.

I never run 100% brightness on any of them, it causes to much eye strain. It's a bad idea in pretty much every case I can think of.
Panel heat was always a non-issue, at least in my experience.

Originalmente postado por Jamebonds1:

Actual, IPS can have a burn in if brightness were too high and panel is too hot. Used to be a common issue for old smartphone.

Those are old displays, I'm not sure if it was actual burn in there, since I didn't look into it, only modern stuff.
But, like I said, that's old outdated hardware that not many people will be running - non-issue.

Even my phone already have a burn in and it is not OLED or Plasma display. That come from hot battery from play game too long.

[tango777]

Anyone buy anything from B&H?

[𝚁𝚘𝚖𝚞𝚕𝚞𝚜]

Originalmente postado por tango777:

Anyone buy anything from B&H?

They are trustworthy. It's been awhile sense I shopped there. But always make sure it's sold by B&H and not a third party vendor to make sure you get the best experience. This is for amazon and stuff. I can't remember if B&H has third party vendors or not. But I have shopped there before.

[Jamebonds1]

Originalmente postado por tango777:

Anyone buy anything from B&H?

They're good. They help me to get ready for an eclipse equipment back in 2017.

[Guydodge]

add to your feature list no BLB it is notorious with ips monitors and should not be.
its unacceptable at any level.do not accept it as the norm LG and asus higher end
monitors would have you believe it is.. NOT TRUE.bought and returned LG27GN950
horrible BLB,low contrast and all around cheap flimsy build.asus 279q build quality
was good but again horrible BLB.and a few other brands that failed
(im sure amazon was not happy with me all returned) with all the higher priced ones striking
out hard settled on the
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VG27AQL1A-Supports-Compatible-DisplayPort/dp/B088MLC8PH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=7VX666Y0S71Z&dchild=1&keywords=asus+tuf+27+inch+monitor+170hz&qid=1608643916&sprefix=asus+tuf+27%2Caps%2C166&sr=8-3
all the high quality features and cheaper... bonus!!! the TUF line is making a huge
impact in the market keep your eye on them.

has no BLB nice build quality no money wasted on lights and gimicks
and for me seeing 8+2 10bit color was a huge bonus love it
do not mistake for the asus tuf VG27AQL also a solid monitor but doesnt handle
the lower hz very well as this one does (i own both)the down side to it is for 10bit
you need to be @120hz but for me not an issue as most new AAA games rarely run
higher than that on all ultra setting even with my 3080/9900k thats my take and
recommendation'
what ever you decide on DO NOT accept BLB keep returning till you dont have it.
id rather go back to a cheap TN panel then be stuck with BLB for real !!!