AMD vs Intel
My current CPU is Intel but I’m leaning toward an AMD build next time.
I’ve heard that AMD has better motherboard support. My Intel CPU is so old now that when I get a new one I’ll be forced to buy a new motherboard and RAM modules.
I would like to avoid this situation as much as possible in the future.
Is it true AMD CPU’s support older MB’s for longer than Intel?
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JohnMars78 původně napsal:
The Ryzen 5000 series is probably the last to use the AM4 socket. It did support multiple CPU generations but it's near it's end now.
So you'd need a new MB for the next gen CPUs anyway, be it Intel or AMD.

I have ddr3 ram in my current build so i guess it has to go...
If i wait until the Ryzen 6000 series that would give me the most longevity on the MB and Ram?

When is the 6000 series expected btw?
Monk 15. úno. 2021 v 11.46 
chuk původně napsal:
amd more bang for your buck bruvski

Not right now it isn't.



ioletsgo původně napsal:
JohnMars78 původně napsal:
There is absolutely no cross-compatibility between Intel and AMD platforms. RAM doesn't really care what CPU is installed.
I wouldn’t want to make a broad statement like that since I haven’t researched all too much about hardware specifications and restrictions, but I do know that in 99% of cases, a mb is either designed for AMD or Intel.

Why give advice if you don't know what you are on about? It's fine to not know, but, maybe don't advise when your not even sure if you can mix and match cpu's from and abd Intel on motherboards it will just lead to confusion.

Op. It really comes down to what you want and your budget.

Different options are better for different tasks, like alot of editing software prefers Intel's faster cores over threadripper slower but more cores.

For gaming, it's down to what you want to play, if your into esport with a 360Hz monitor, then a 5600X can be the best option, if your into warzone, you'll want a 10900k or 5950X (5950X has about a 10fps lead with both maxed out), for general gaming without pushing crazy max fps, the 10700k or 9900k (which ever you can get cheaper) are the best bang gir buck chips right now beating out a 5600X in anything beyond pure esport (it's cache helps it) and the extra cores help in alot of areas, plus, right now they are cheaper and can run much faster memory.

5600X and 5800X were amazing chips right until supply vanished, prices went nuts and Intel slashed their prices, now, they are bad options.
ioletsgo původně napsal:
JohnMars78 původně napsal:
There is absolutely no cross-compatibility between Intel and AMD platforms. RAM doesn't really care what CPU is installed.
I wouldn’t want to make a broad statement like that since I haven’t researched all too much about hardware specifications and restrictions, but I do know that in 99% of cases, a mb is either designed for AMD or Intel.

This sounds like a build up to a new LTT video where an unknown Chinese tech company has created a twin cpu motherboard with both intel and amd sockets/support!

I doubt anyone has tried but you never know!... “competitive advantage” ?

Maybe if you rewind 20years when you had northbridge and southbridge components on a motherboard it could be possible to hack an intel chipset and get an amd cpu to work but no one would ever bother. I can’t be bothered searching but the instruction set thing probably gets in the way.
Naposledy upravil DevaVictrix; 15. úno. 2021 v 12.13
Escorve původně napsal:
AMD is also not cheaper right now because supply is very low while demand is very high, a consequence of people recommending AMD instead of Intel, since now Intel is a price/performance king that has stock while AMD is the popular choice with nothing in stock and higher prices.
Pretty much this, and it's a shame because I worry more about AMD continuing momentum going forward than I do Intel finding its old self, so it'd be a shame for the one time AMD actually fights back and surpasses Intel that this happens and they just slip again.

Zen 2 can still sometimes be cheaper and an option, but Intel's faster options are typically no longer way more expensive while being a little faster, so as always, you have to look at prices. It usually falls to where Intel is a bit more expensive but a bit faster so it's actually pretty competitive, but probably slightly in Intel's favor due to availability issues for AMD (especially on their newest lineup).

I have no actual preference, but I enjoy seeing BOTH compete and innovate, and it leads to progress. That said, even with the issues I had with a recent BIOS version not playing nice with my PC and leading me on a wild goose chase, I'm enjoying being back on AMD after so long (last time was Athlon XP or so, then it's been Core 2s and a Core i5 since). I preferred Intel during the Sandy Bridge days because AMD just didn't compete on performance. I went AMD this time since Intel's offering at the same price point was sans two cores/4 threads but they were marginally faster, and I felt the extra cores were more worthwhile for me, given longevity was one of my goals. I doubt it'll last the decade my Sandy Bridge did, but... actually, wait with the way hardware is going right now it probably will...
Citizen Cook původně napsal:
JohnMars78 původně napsal:
The Ryzen 5000 series is probably the last to use the AM4 socket. It did support multiple CPU generations but it's near it's end now.
So you'd need a new MB for the next gen CPUs anyway, be it Intel or AMD.

I have ddr3 ram in my current build so i guess it has to go...
If i wait until the Ryzen 6000 series that would give me the most longevity on the MB and Ram?

When is the 6000 series expected btw?

Well, nothing is known for sure yet. The only hints we've got are: end of 2021, AM5, DDR5.
If someone knows more, please chip in.
Even if they launch new CPUs at the end of the year, they'll probably be expensive, with some driver support problems and ... unavailable. Most likely all that new tech will make it into MBs available on the market for the average Joe around spring-summer 2022.
If you wanna wait until then, your choice.
Building a PC now, on a top Ryzen 5000 CPU should keep you going for 3-5 years with later upgrades on RAM and/or GPU, if necessary.
JohnMars78 původně napsal:
Citizen Cook původně napsal:

I have ddr3 ram in my current build so i guess it has to go...
If i wait until the Ryzen 6000 series that would give me the most longevity on the MB and Ram?

When is the 6000 series expected btw?

Well, nothing is known for sure yet. The only hints we've got are: end of 2021, AM5, DDR5.
If someone knows more, please chip in.
Even if they launch new CPUs at the end of the year, they'll probably be expensive, with some driver support problems and ... unavailable. Most likely all that new tech will make it into MBs available on the market for the average Joe around spring-summer 2022.
If you wanna wait until then, your choice.
Building a PC now, on a top Ryzen 5000 CPU should keep you going for 3-5 years with later upgrades on RAM and/or GPU, if necessary.
1. There's rumours spreading that there might be a Zen3 refresh in the form of Zen3+ which could very well be the first architecture on the AM5 socket if AMD chooses to release socket AM5 on the X670 motherboard this year. It makes sense in way since they only just released Zen3 and have had difficulties selling it, so it's not like they have the resources to pour into Zen4 just yet and they want to keep pushing while they're so close to Intel. The potential for DDR5 support is likely if they change the socket for this potential refresh architecture. I don't know if this will be 6000 series or if AMD will re-employ the "XT" suffix for refreshed chips.

2. Other rumours suggest that socket AM5 may move away from the PGA socket design that AMD has been using for so many years, following the design change to LGA that AMD had to employ with the TR4 and TRX4 sockets because Threadripper's socket needed 4000 pins which is too difficult to pull off on a PGA socket as the CPU and socket would just be too large for standard form factors. This LGA design could prove useful in more ways than one; CPU durability (no damaged pins in shipping or by accidents), much more available pins in the socket (more headroom for AMD to stick with this new socket for likely longer than AM4 lasted), and it's cheaper to replace a motherboard with a broken pin than it is to replace a CPU with a broken pin, especially with Ryzen 9 and TR.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see the market recovering to it's former state before the end of 2021.
So, yeah, you might be right about an XT refresh of Zen3 and I tend to think that they'll stick to AM4 and B550/X570 boards compatibility. They're basically selling all that they can produce right now and they'll want to keep doing it for a while.
The change to AM5+DDR5 will likely be a slow one, starting in 2022 maybe, and with higher prices than the current ones (which are already high enough).
Now I'm rambling...
Zen4 is rumoured to be 2022. Huge increase in performance. Zen3+ has been rumoured for late 2021 for a long time.
hawkeye původně napsal:
Zen4 is rumoured to be 2022. Huge increase in performance. Zen3+ has been rumoured for late 2021 for a long time.
Man, if this is true, that'd be incredible, and on top of whatever Zen 3+ brings (there's going to be a mini-generation for Zen 3 too?). Hopefully this keeps going and Intel matches paces, because I never thought we'd see IPC go up meaningfully again like this but I'd love to be wrong about it.

Hopefully availability and prices aren't bad though. Performance going up means little to most people if prices simply goes up with it (points to GPUs even pre-recent issues).
Illusion of Progress původně napsal:
hawkeye původně napsal:
Zen4 is rumoured to be 2022. Huge increase in performance. Zen3+ has been rumoured for late 2021 for a long time.
Man, if this is true, that'd be incredible, and on top of whatever Zen 3+ brings (there's going to be a mini-generation for Zen 3 too?). Hopefully this keeps going and Intel matches paces, because I never thought we'd see IPC go up meaningfully again like this but I'd love to be wrong about it.

Hopefully availability and prices aren't bad though. Performance going up means little to most people if prices simply goes up with it (points to GPUs even pre-recent issues).
Current rumors for Zen4 state a 26?% increase in IPC and around 40% in overall performance over Zen3 (not taking Zen3+ into account, that would be ~9% like Zen+)
dont believe everything you read.intel is the better buy right now and still very relevant
everything you see is from stock cpu comparisons.any top tier cpu be it intel or amd is going to do the job very well.
Naposledy upravil Guydodge; 17. úno. 2021 v 0.00
If I want to build a PC to surpass the PS5 and XSX would you say I'd definitely need to get a CPU with an 8 core CPU, minimum? 5800X?
Guydodge původně napsal:
dont believe everything you read.intel is the better buy right now and still very relevant
everything you see is from stock cpu comparisons.any top tier cpu be it intel or amd is going to do the job very well.
By things that blatantly favor intel in their programming?

Having been an intel backer, I strongly advise everyone get AMD. Far better performance per dollar in the modern era of Ryzen/Threadripper. Not to mention running cooler.
Mr. Gentlebot původně napsal:
Guydodge původně napsal:
dont believe everything you read.intel is the better buy right now and still very relevant
everything you see is from stock cpu comparisons.any top tier cpu be it intel or amd is going to do the job very well.
By things that blatantly favor intel in their programming?

Having been an intel backer, I strongly advise everyone get AMD. Far better performance per dollar in the modern era of Ryzen/Threadripper. Not to mention running cooler.

Intel is the better value right now, not only can you actually buy the chips, but they slashed the prices.

Zen 3 now only makes an argument if you need 12 or 16 cores, which you don't for gaming, but at that point, you are likely looking at a professional task, so, x299 and TR should be looked at to see which run best with your individual application.

At msrp the 5950X is now the same price as the 10940X which runs slower, drops 2 cores but gains quad channel memory and a boat load of pcie slots (unlikely to be a good option if you need the cores), however, at current prices, you can get the 10980XE 18 core fir the same price and depending on the workload, that could work out to be the better option for most professional tasks, TR is slower unless you specifically need the extra cores and is much worse for gaming.
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