IPS vs TN

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Do IPS panels have more motion blur as compared to TN panels?

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Autumn_:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από owl rly?:

in my opinion ips isnt for gaming. TN is fast and you dont need all the beauty for gaming immersion in esports.

IPS and TN are both fast enough for 165hz displays, if you buy a good panel.
The argument for 'speed' doesn't exist anymore, it's an old notion that was around in the old days.
Even VA are becoming faster, albeit only one currently on the market, being Samsungs Odyssey G9.
So soon the 'speed' argument will be completely gone.

As for 'immersion', having a better colour range, more accurate colours, and brightness can help in competitive situations in regards to target identification and acquisition.
An IPS display would be BETTER for competitive games.

Just at things like 240+hz, what the pros use, there is only one panel type that can do those refresh rates so far, TN.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από a^m / a^n = a^m-n:

Ok got it
So if i get good ~230$ IPS monitor with 144hz and 1080p display, it will still be good for CSGO if i play on ranks such as MG or DMG?

The hardware doesn't make the man.
You can do good regardless of hardware. Good hardware just moves your skill ceiling higher, and makes it easier to do what you already do.
Don't think a new monitor will increase your skill overnight, it will barely impact you at first, may even make you worse (did for me, for like half an hour.)

Hmm but in eSports tournaments like csgo, I read that they still use TN panel monitors?

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@Autumn_ , check Internet and will see my sources . I as a mortal - cant click so many times ,anyway , even you cant click 100 times per second . Even the cell phones displays with Full HD ( +) are unnecessary , They re just doing this for money . Last word of me on the topic . Every one has the right to disagree .

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Autumn_:

IPS and TN are both fast enough for 165hz displays, if you buy a good panel.
The argument for 'speed' doesn't exist anymore, it's an old notion that was around in the old days.
Even VA are becoming faster, albeit only one currently on the market, being Samsungs Odyssey G9.
So soon the 'speed' argument will be completely gone.

As for 'immersion', having a better colour range, more accurate colours, and brightness can help in competitive situations in regards to target identification and acquisition.
An IPS display would be BETTER for competitive games.

Just at things like 240+hz, what the pros use, there is only one panel type that can do those refresh rates so far, TN.


The hardware doesn't make the man.
You can do good regardless of hardware. Good hardware just moves your skill ceiling higher, and makes it easier to do what you already do.
Don't think a new monitor will increase your skill overnight, it will barely impact you at first, may even make you worse (did for me, for like half an hour.)

Hmm but in eSports tournaments like csgo, I read that they still use TN panel monitors?

Only because they want literally the fastest display (and settings) and don't prioritise how the game looks. It's CS:GO.

It's not really going to make anyone better at the game. If you're bad at it, you're bad at it. Changing displays from IPS or VA to TN isn't going to make you better unless the ghosting is so bad that you literally can't play fast games on the previous panel.

[r.linder]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από littlecat20160:

Bear in mind your brain cant process more than 75FPS , despite some devices can deliver more FPS . Anything above is useless and is a marketing trick . In the old days of CRT monitors , i ascertained this on my own too . It was all known fact though , So , IPS monitor 144Hz is more than enough . Also , studies showed it was desputable whether more Hz would improve the gaming success - 60Hz vs 240Hz . Our mind functions at about 7-13Hz (max 35Hz), trying to click the mouse repeatedly wont give more than 3-4 clicks , What is that hype - 240+Hz monitors !

If the human brain or eye couldn't process more than 75 FPS, then anything faster than 75Hz wouldn't be noticeable and therefore would be pointless. There are tons of fools on the internet that say stupid crap like "HURR DURR HOOMAN CNT SEE MOAR THAN 30 FPS!!!11" and those people are to be ignored because they haven't the slightest clue.

You can clearly see the differences above 75Hz at 120Hz, 144Hz, 165Hz, 240Hz, 360Hz, etc. I daily drive 240Hz and 144Hz panels right next to each other, and there's a difference. The closer you are to the refresh rate you're running, the smoother it ultimately looks; if you're only getting 60 FPS, you'll never make proper full use out of a 120Hz+ display.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Autumn_:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από owl rly?:

in my opinion ips isnt for gaming. TN is fast and you dont need all the beauty for gaming immersion in esports.

IPS and TN are both fast enough for 165hz displays, if you buy a good panel.
The argument for 'speed' doesn't exist anymore, it's an old notion that was around in the old days.
Even VA are becoming faster, albeit only one currently on the market, being Samsungs Odyssey G9.
So soon the 'speed' argument will be completely gone.

As for 'immersion', having a better colour range, more accurate colours, and brightness can help in competitive situations in regards to target identification and acquisition.
An IPS display would be BETTER for competitive games.

Just at things like 240+hz, what the pros use, there is only one panel type that can do those refresh rates so far, TN.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από a^m / a^n = a^m-n:

Ok got it
So if i get good ~230$ IPS monitor with 144hz and 1080p display, it will still be good for CSGO if i play on ranks such as MG or DMG?

The hardware doesn't make the man.
You can do good regardless of hardware. Good hardware just moves your skill ceiling higher, and makes it easier to do what you already do.
Don't think a new monitor will increase your skill overnight, it will barely impact you at first, may even make you worse (did for me, for like half an hour.)

heloo,
why does BenQ sell TN panel ZOWIE monitors? they are the really fast. the faster the panel, the better the gaming monitor. thats my opinion and i think it is true. Benq ZOWIE i always have been dreaming. i hate the glow effect of ips panels. fast and not "overproduced" is TN to me, isnt it?
for example: ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz 24 Zoll eSports Monitor

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από owl rly?:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Autumn_:

IPS and TN are both fast enough for 165hz displays, if you buy a good panel.
The argument for 'speed' doesn't exist anymore, it's an old notion that was around in the old days.
Even VA are becoming faster, albeit only one currently on the market, being Samsungs Odyssey G9.
So soon the 'speed' argument will be completely gone.

As for 'immersion', having a better colour range, more accurate colours, and brightness can help in competitive situations in regards to target identification and acquisition.
An IPS display would be BETTER for competitive games.

Just at things like 240+hz, what the pros use, there is only one panel type that can do those refresh rates so far, TN.


The hardware doesn't make the man.
You can do good regardless of hardware. Good hardware just moves your skill ceiling higher, and makes it easier to do what you already do.
Don't think a new monitor will increase your skill overnight, it will barely impact you at first, may even make you worse (did for me, for like half an hour.)

heloo,
why does BenQ sell TN panel ZOWIE monitors? they are the really fast. the faster the panel, the better the gaming monitor. thats my opinion and i think it is true. Benq ZOWIE i always have been dreaming. i hate the glow effect of ips panels. fast and not "overproduced" is TN to me, isnt it?
for example: ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz 24 Zoll eSports Monitor

It's marketed for competitive play, precisely why it's called an e-Sports monitor. Those titles like CS:GO are not focused on visual quality, only raw performance, which TN is a sacrifice of the former to get the latter. VA is the exact opposite, being great in visual quality but awful in performance, while IPS is a good middle ground, being fast enough and it looks good.

e-Sports is a tiny fraction of the gaming scene. It's better to have IPS than TN because there's far more good games out there that will benefit more from better visual quality from the display than just speedy response times, hence why VA even has a spot in the stack for slower and immersive titles since curved VA panels can actually be great for some titles like that.

For most gamers that play a bit of everything, IPS is ideal, hands down. If you're actually serious about e-Sports and have somewhere to go with it and want TN, you may as well go for the absolute best TN panels with 360+ Hz.

[Agent]

E-sport games are garbo anyhow. Most people will buy an IPS these days,

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από owl rly?:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Autumn_:

IPS and TN are both fast enough for 165hz displays, if you buy a good panel.
The argument for 'speed' doesn't exist anymore, it's an old notion that was around in the old days.
Even VA are becoming faster, albeit only one currently on the market, being Samsungs Odyssey G9.
So soon the 'speed' argument will be completely gone.

As for 'immersion', having a better colour range, more accurate colours, and brightness can help in competitive situations in regards to target identification and acquisition.
An IPS display would be BETTER for competitive games.

Just at things like 240+hz, what the pros use, there is only one panel type that can do those refresh rates so far, TN.


The hardware doesn't make the man.
You can do good regardless of hardware. Good hardware just moves your skill ceiling higher, and makes it easier to do what you already do.
Don't think a new monitor will increase your skill overnight, it will barely impact you at first, may even make you worse (did for me, for like half an hour.)

heloo,
why does BenQ sell TN panel ZOWIE monitors? they are the really fast. the faster the panel, the better the gaming monitor. thats my opinion and i think it is true. Benq ZOWIE i always have been dreaming. i hate the glow effect of ips panels. fast and not "overproduced" is TN to me, isnt it?
for example: ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz 24 Zoll eSports Monitor

I heard a review saying that ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz has tearing issues if we don't get enough fps say if I get 80 fps then it might show tearing and isn't good at all for suchs fps.

[Autumn_]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Autumn_:

IPS and TN are both fast enough for 165hz displays, if you buy a good panel.
The argument for 'speed' doesn't exist anymore, it's an old notion that was around in the old days.
Even VA are becoming faster, albeit only one currently on the market, being Samsungs Odyssey G9.
So soon the 'speed' argument will be completely gone.

As for 'immersion', having a better colour range, more accurate colours, and brightness can help in competitive situations in regards to target identification and acquisition.
An IPS display would be BETTER for competitive games.

Just at things like 240+hz, what the pros use, there is only one panel type that can do those refresh rates so far, TN.


The hardware doesn't make the man.
You can do good regardless of hardware. Good hardware just moves your skill ceiling higher, and makes it easier to do what you already do.
Don't think a new monitor will increase your skill overnight, it will barely impact you at first, may even make you worse (did for me, for like half an hour.)

Hmm but in eSports tournaments like csgo, I read that they still use TN panel monitors?

It's sponsored content, they're given it, and told to use it by their team manager. The only things they don't limit are the mice, and I think sometimes mousepads.
Monitors, keyboards, headphones, or any other 'gaming' trinket are sponsored items.
That's why they use it, feeds on the 'pros use it, so it's good' mentality.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από littlecat20160:

@Autumn_ , check Internet and will see my sources . I as a mortal - cant click so many times ,anyway , even you cant click 100 times per second . Even the cell phones displays with Full HD ( +) are unnecessary , They re just doing this for money . Last word of me on the topic . Every one has the right to disagree .

So, you've got no source, alright.
YOU can't click that fast, doesn't mean it's not possible. I can't fly a plane, or swim, doesn't mean it's physically impossible.
No, but about ~20hz is physically possible.

Phone displays do make a difference past FHD, I have a phone with QHD, and it's a much better viewing experience.
Why would making higher pixel count displays (increasing production costs) make them more money? If people wouldn't see a difference, it wouldn't be a main point of marketing.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από owl rly?:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Autumn_:

IPS and TN are both fast enough for 165hz displays, if you buy a good panel.
The argument for 'speed' doesn't exist anymore, it's an old notion that was around in the old days.
Even VA are becoming faster, albeit only one currently on the market, being Samsungs Odyssey G9.
So soon the 'speed' argument will be completely gone.

As for 'immersion', having a better colour range, more accurate colours, and brightness can help in competitive situations in regards to target identification and acquisition.
An IPS display would be BETTER for competitive games.

Just at things like 240+hz, what the pros use, there is only one panel type that can do those refresh rates so far, TN.


The hardware doesn't make the man.
You can do good regardless of hardware. Good hardware just moves your skill ceiling higher, and makes it easier to do what you already do.
Don't think a new monitor will increase your skill overnight, it will barely impact you at first, may even make you worse (did for me, for like half an hour.)

heloo,
why does BenQ sell TN panel ZOWIE monitors? they are the really fast. the faster the panel, the better the gaming monitor. thats my opinion and i think it is true. Benq ZOWIE i always have been dreaming. i hate the glow effect of ips panels. fast and not "overproduced" is TN to me, isnt it?
for example: ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz 24 Zoll eSports Monitor

Because they're easier to produce than IPS displays...
Faster only matters to an extent, read my first post for more information on pixel response time and how it relates to hz.

Think and fact are two different things. Zowie displays are good, but they're by no means the best. They're decent display that's gaming oriented.

I don't like IPS glow/BLB either, but not every single panel has it the same.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Rock Head:

E-sport games are garbo anyhow. Most people will buy an IPS these days,

Actually, most people will buy a TN panel, because they don't know about monitors, and will buy cheap 144hz displays, which will be exclusively TN panels.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από owl rly?:

heloo,
why does BenQ sell TN panel ZOWIE monitors? they are the really fast. the faster the panel, the better the gaming monitor. thats my opinion and i think it is true. Benq ZOWIE i always have been dreaming. i hate the glow effect of ips panels. fast and not "overproduced" is TN to me, isnt it?
for example: ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz 24 Zoll eSports Monitor

I heard a review saying that ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz has tearing issues if we don't get enough fps say if I get 80 fps then it might show tearing and isn't good at all for suchs fps.

All monitors will have tearing if you aren't synced (via Vsync/Fast sync, Freesync/Vesa Adaptive sync, or G-sync.)
If you have no sync, you will always get one frame overwriting the other at some strange point (like the middle of the screen), this will cause a tear line.
It doesn't matter what FPS you get, it will always happen.
The only way you can negate this without sync, is to increase FPS to silly numbers (500+FPS), this will allow the differences between frames to be tiny, so you will experience less of the tearing effect, sometimes removing it (because there's basically no difference in frames.)
It would still tear under fast movements though.

This is why Freesync/G-sync is an important feature on modern monitors. I wouldn't buy one without it. It adds no increase in latency (a fraction of a frames latency, you will NEVER notice.)

[Agent]

Pretty sure the market share is higher for IPS, with VA making up the largest market share as of now. TN is dinosaur tech now.

[r.linder]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Rock Head:

Pretty sure the market share is higher for IPS, with VA making up the largest market share as of now. TN is dinosaur tech now.

VA is tough because most of them have horrible response times, with actual response times as high as the 10s.

Very few VA panels actually keep up with IPS

[mtono]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από owl rly?:

heloo,
why does BenQ sell TN panel ZOWIE monitors? they are the really fast. the faster the panel, the better the gaming monitor. thats my opinion and i think it is true. Benq ZOWIE i always have been dreaming. i hate the glow effect of ips panels. fast and not "overproduced" is TN to me, isnt it?
for example: ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz 24 Zoll eSports Monitor

I heard a review saying that ZOWIE XL2411K 144Hz has tearing issues if we don't get enough fps say if I get 80 fps then it might show tearing and isn't good at all for suchs fps.

i call this offtopic, because with a 144hz monitor you need a pc that is able to run more than 144hz. else it doesnt fit. if you know what i mean!?

[LonerD]

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IPS vs TN

VA much more better.

[r.linder]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Howl at the Moon:

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IPS vs TN

VA much more better.

VA looks good but it has the worst response times. It's most often horrible in competitive play where TN is often used. VA is best for curved panels because of the viewing angles.

Averages for true response times on TN, IPS, VA respectively: 5ms, 7ms, ~10ms