Duke1UP 2015 年 11 月 22 日 上午 9:24
Surround quality on ALC1150
Hi there. I have the Realtek ALC1150 coming with the GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 from Gigabyte. I wouldn't say a bad word about this codec, but recently I bought a surround headphones (Roccat Kave XTD 5.1 Analog) and I'm not really satisfied about the sound quality. The front is outstanding when compared to the center and the rear. At first I thought it's just my imagination, but then I've read the following in the ALC1150 spec:

. Front-DAC with 115/110dB SNR (A-weighting, Differential/Single-End Output), ADC09h with 104dB SNR (A-weighting)
. DACs (except Front-DAC) with 96dB SNR (A-weighting), ADC08h with 93dB SNR (A-weighting)

My questions:
1. Is my understanding correct, about a better sound quality in the front than in the center/rear?
2. Is a basic sound card, like the Asus Xonar DGX, better for the surround sound?
3. Do you recommend the Asus Xonar DGX or should I look for a more expensive upgrade?
最后由 Duke1UP 编辑于; 2015 年 11 月 22 日 上午 9:33
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Bad 💀 Motha 2015 年 11 月 22 日 上午 9:48 
Nothing really wrong with Realtek HD Audio. If you have the drivers from Reatek website (or Motherboard maker) then u should have plenty of configure options versus the generic non-feature-packed driver that WinOS has built-in already. So ensure latest official driver is installed.

When paired with a decent speaker setup, that will make most difference overall versus a different sound card. Their reason behind the Front having some higher output is usually due to that part of the sound codec having "headphone booster" so Stereo Headphone users can have a bit more overall boost by using that.

If you do want more options or just a dedicated sound card in general, look for PCI-E ones of quality, such as ASUS STRIX series or Creative SoundBlaster Z series

Or look towards a quality USB headset that can also do Analog; with it being run off USB, it never uses your sound card as the USB adapter will have it's own sound codec, drivers and software.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2015 年 11 月 22 日 上午 9:48
MrMcSwifty 2015 年 11 月 22 日 上午 11:23 
It's not the ALC1150, it's the headset itself. Your left/right channels are playing through (probably decent quality) 40mm drivers, while the center/rear channels are playing through cheap 30mm drivers. This is pretty typical for any headset marketed as "true analog 5.1," as they have to make some sort of sacrifice in quality in order to fit more drivers into each cup. The result is the surround channels are typically sound flat and distant compared to the stereo channels.

I would always recommend a dedicated sound card over onboard, but not for the reason you're inquiring about. As Bad-Motha says, nothing really wrong with RealTek HD; and an addon sound card isn't really going to make any difference if 5.1 is all you're worried about. For better sound quality though, you're undoubtedly much better served getting yourself a high quality stereo headset and just using software emulation for surround (Razer Synapse, CMS3D, etc),r using the USB versions with their own builtin codecs.

rotNdude 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 12:35 
I would wait to see how you feel it sounds. If you don't like it, then ask about getting better options.
Bad 💀 Motha 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 2:20 
Better off with a higher quality headset that has maybe 50mm Drivers and such; you can emulate "Surround Sound" on any Stereo headset. Overall those can sound better then the crap-tastic design of those which have extra physical drivers for 5.1 simply due to the smaller drivers sounding worse.

If you find something such as Realtek HD lacking in features, install Razer Surround app; which u can use to enhance any Speaker/Headphone setup on a WinOS PC.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 2:21
Duke1UP 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 2:39 
@Bad-Motha
Of course I'm using dedicated drivers taken from the MB manufacturer website. I'm also doing my best to keep them up to date. I admit though that I haven't spent too much time inside the config panel. After reading your suggestion I've played a bit with various sliders. It got better, or I think it did. I will check again tomorrow as I could be tricked by autosuggestion. Nevertheless there is no revolution for sure in comparison to the default setting.

What do you think about Asus Xonar DGX? Does it make any sense to invest into these, or will there be no difference at all?

@McSwifty
Actually these Roccats are using two 40mm drivers for front/center/rear + one 30mm for vibrations. The scenario you propose doesn't seem to be the case here. For the stereo + surround emulation - I did it with my previous headset which I combined with Sound Blaster X-Fi MB3. Frankly speaking my current setup is way better already.

"I would always recommend a dedicated sound card over onboard, but not for the reason you're inquiring about." - could you please elaborate on it a bit more? What other reasons are you thinking about? And what is the price range I should be looking at? Bad-Motha suggestion is at ~80-100 USD.
Bad 💀 Motha 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 2:43 
I really don't see a cheap sound card like Xonar DGX making any difference.

Most dedicated sound cards (especially the sub-$80-100 ones) use roughly the same thing as what Motherboard makers stick on the motherboard via the Realtek Audio Codec. Some main difference might be the I/O DAC and Software Looks/Features. More expensive cards generally have better DAC/AMP onboard and higher quality components for better sound isolating and outside interference blocking. And might also have more connection options and features overall. I don't really see that helping you with any analog Speakers/Headsets.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 2:45
Duke1UP 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 2:55 
Thanks Bad-Motha, I think I'll pass on the upgrade then as I understood that 80-100 USD investment doesn't bring a promise of a significant sound quality improvement. Nevertheless I am still looking forward to see McSwifty's reply - what other reasons could justify this purchase.
[☥] - CJ - 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 2:57 
I use the Integrated on my motherboard as well for my 5.1, it does absolutely great as long as you set it up properly.

Dedicated soundcards are in my opinion not needed unless you have an out of date motherboard.

Its not just the soundcard but the speakers themselves.
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Only main difference would be dedicated soundcards tend to have better specs and their own processor which would help take the load off the CPU, but generally theres really no performance impact when using Integrated.
Bad 💀 Motha 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 3:03 
Yea if u have the official Reaktek Drivers then you should have a software equalizer. Use that and set it up for better overall sounding results.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 3:03
Duke1UP 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 3:04 
I've read about this performance gain somewhere. Indeed a dedicated card isn't a game changer when the CPU usage is on the field - as far as I remember it's a difference of 1% or 2%.
最后由 Duke1UP 编辑于; 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 3:05
Bad 💀 Motha 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 3:17 
The only time is was ever really a performance difference was back in the days or XP and older OS when a sound card would do hardware based EAX and DirectSound; that is no longer really of any issue. Plus codecs like Realtek HD were just coming about back then and have matured alot since then. Now every sound card taps your CPU, regardless; cause it's all software enhancing. But again we have much stronger CPUs now too. Before Realtek HD Onboard Audio, yes onboard audio that came with Motherboards were crap and lacked features, outputs, and shielding. Now they are just around the same quality as any non-Professional sound card for the most part.
MrMcSwifty 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 6:39 
引用自 Duke1UP
Nevertheless I am still looking forward to see McSwifty's reply - what other reasons could justify this purchase.

My point was just that an addon card isn't likely to solve your surround sound woes, so I wouldn't recommend one simply for that purpose. Onboard ALC1150 does 5.1 just fine.

I do recommend them for many other reasons which Bad Motha mostly covered in post #6.

Just as a personal anecdote, I've never been particularly satisfied with Realtek HD, despite the general mantra these days being "onboard is just as good as any addon card." In the few instances I've gone back to it I've found it doesn't sufficiently drive even moderately high impedance headphones. "Good enough" for some I suppose, but I always find myself going back to an dedicated card. Funny you should mention the X-Fi, as that's what I'm currently using now (Xtreme Gamer), and even that sounds significantly better.

Although, if you're really determined to throw money at your problem, I think you would probably be better off looking at some external DAC/amps like the FiiO E10K. It doesn't seem like you're particularly interested in any of the other benefits or software features of a sound card, so this would get you a boost in audio quality without all that unnecessary fluff.

So I'll rephrase what I said earlier that I would always recommend a decent addon card, or external DAC/amp, over standard onboard sound if you're really serious about audio quality.
SundownKid 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 6:58 
The real problem is that you have a Headset, not Headphones.

Headsets are known to have horrible sound quality compared to regular headphones.
Just return them and buy a separate mic and headphones if you care about sound quality!
Bad 💀 Motha 2015 年 11 月 22 日 下午 8:57 
Yea even Headsets that do have good drivers inside; they all pretty much have poor Mic

Quality Stereo Headphones + quality standalone Mic would be best
Duke1UP 2015 年 11 月 23 日 上午 10:48 
Thanks everyone for your contribution. After all I decided to stick to what I have at the moment:

1. It seems I didn't give enough love to ALC1150 and its drivers. After playing with them for a while I already see an improvement. Thanks Bad-Motha, it's funny how hard it could be to see the most obvious solutions.
2. I'm sure your suggestions are of a top-shelf, but I have a feeling this is an overkill in my case. I'm not very crazy about the sound quality, I just want to emphasize the center/back or equalize the front - not to hear the gap which inspired me to start this thread.
3. I remember days that almost ANY dedicated sound card was better than the onboard audio. I can see it's not the case today, and even 80-100 USD hardware will not blow my mind when heard out of the box. You’re right McSwifty, I'm not really into tweaking my settings for the best effect.
4. No, I'm not going to replace my well-desired headset with headphones and mic combination :) Nevertheless you are right when rising a point about a poor mic quality. I used to have worse mics anyway ;)
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