PS5 Pro VS PC

[Citizen Cook]

I was wondering how the recently announced PlayStation 5 Professional stacks up against an equivalent gaming PC. Particularly the GPU.
I have an Nvidia 3080 Ti and I think the Pro might have it whooped. What do you guys think?

The PS5 Pro specs:

GPU: RDNA 2 60 compute units, 3840SMs.
Upscaling: PSSR (said to be better than FSR, worse than DLSS)
Ray Tracing hardware that Mark Cerny claims hasn’t been released in any of AMD’s current graphics cards.
CPU: AMD 8-core Zen 2 16 threads, 3.5GHz
RAM: 16GB GDDR6 560GB/s memory bandwidth
Storage: 2 TB NVME 5.5GB/s read
Wi-Fi: Wi-Fi 7
Ports: Two USB-C ports on the front, two USB-A ports on the rear, HDMI 2.1 output, and Ethernet
Price: $699

[Bing Chilling]

consoles are fine if you want to just play singleplayer games and don't care about customization they are cheaper and decent enough to give pretty visuals and ok framerates
that said, if you are looking to play multiplayer games and do care about customization
there's not much of a reason to get one (unless it's a switch, since huge amount of exclusives)

my reasoning for this is because console players have to pay a monthly or yearly subscription fee for online, games go on sale far less often and usually not for as much of a discount, the amount you save now will add up so quickly.

Pc is the better all around-er as, online is free, games are usually ether cheaper or have sales that are FAR FAR better. The initial price of a pc as strong as the ps5 or ps5 pro will be higher because these console companies sell their consoles at a loss and make up for it with software and game sales plus the online subscription. Then of course you get access to all the customization a pc offers,mods,workshop,graphical settings,emulators and choice of input aswell as the use of freesync or gysnc and the choice of refreshrate and resolution

imo pick a PC even if it is more expensive. Consoles are just really only value efficient if you just play singleplayer games casually.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

They already have stated that many games still can't run at 60 FPS on it, so what's the point

You also can't get one anymore now until 3rd parties sell them. Sony was getting flooded so they now restricted PS5 PRO sales on SONY Playstation Sore to PSN accounts with more then 30 hours gameplay time.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

They already have stated that many games still can't run at 60 FPS on it, so what's the point

"can't afford" or "i miss my old days"

[󠀡󠀡]

PC MASTEr RACE

[Rod]

Still the same old 1440p 30fps but using new RT cores to deal with the ever increasing RT implementations. Whats changed also is PSSR takes 1440p to 4k and im guessing Fluid Motion Frames takes 30fps to 60fps ish...


So PS5 using revised RT cores and AI = Pro

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Sony did jot expect so many to want the PS5 PRO. They simply looked at it as an upgrade, where someone with a PS4 PRO or PS5 would go and do a sale or trade in, in the end not paying 100% out of pocket again for the full price of PS5 PRO

[Tonepoet]

Even from the perspective of doing the trade-in the PS5 pro is a pretty bad deal. There just aren't very many Playstation 5 exclusive games, and Pro just enhances the quality of them. It doesn't let you play anything that wouldn't be possible to play on a Playstation 5.

So you buy a playstation 5 for $500.

You trade it in for $375. You're in the hole $173. That's money you've spent on top of the $700 price tag. Plus if you want to keep playing your disc drive games, you are spending another $80. So now you've spent $963 on the playstation ecosystem. For just $37 extra, you could have instead kept your Playstation 5, spent $500 on an xbox series x and gained access to the exclusive libraries of both consoles, and have a more powerful console than the basic Playstation 5 too.

Kinda sucks if you've bought cross-plats for the Playstation 5, or want extra perf. on one of the couple dozen Playstation 5 exclusive games[en.wikipedia.org]. but it's looking like the better way to go to me. The Playstation 5 Pro is the best advertisement for the Series X. It's basically Sony saying the perf. on tap isn't enough, so go buy a more powerful console, and by the way, we're screwing you on pricing by $200+ compared to our competitor (the series X has a disc drive built in and doesn't have an optional stand).

Is the series X quite as powerful as the Playstation 5 pro? Probably not. I've seen the pro pegged at RTX 4070 level[wccftech.com]. Series X is maybe closer to the 6800 xt if we're being optimistic. 6800xt is close enough in my opinion though. The direct A.M.D. equivalent to the 4070 is the 7800xt, but the 7800 xt, but the 7800 XT is only just barely considered an upgrade over the 6800 XT on average and I'm thinking 4070 is likely overly optimistic marketing nonsense.

Plus that's the same C.P.U. in the baseline Playstation 5 so there's no upgrade there.

• Ryzen 5600[www.amazon.com] $123
  
• XFX 6800 XT[www.amazon.com] $360
  
• ASROCK B450M PRO4 R2.0[www.amazon.com] $85
  
• Masterbox Q300L[www.amazon.com] $40
  
• 16 Gigs. of D.D.R. 4 R.A.M. $28[www.amazon.com]
  
• E.V.G.A. 750 BP[www.amazon.com] $65
  
• 2 terabyte S.S.D.[www.amazon.com] $100
  
• Darkrock Case Fans $9[www.amazon.com]

$810

Granted, the Ryzen 5600 is a 6 core C.P.U., but it's also Zen 3 archtecture and 6 cores is about optimal for P.C. anyway[www.xda-developers.com].

P.S.

Also, considering that you already have a P.C., you just stick an RTX 4070 Super in it for $600, maybe buy the $100 S.S.D. if you need more space and you're kicking the Playstation 5 Pro's butt.

[Citizen Cook]

Originally posted by Rod:

Still the same old 1440p 30fps but using new RT cores to deal with the ever increasing RT implementations. Whats changed also is PSSR takes 1440p to 4k and im guessing Fluid Motion Frames takes 30fps to 60fps ish...


So PS5 using revised RT cores and AI = Pro

I think with the base PS5 developers were using FSR 2 to upscale from 1080 or even 720p to 4K🤢

[Citizen Cook]

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

Even from the perspective of doing the trade-in the PS5 pro is a pretty bad deal. There just aren't very many Playstation 5 exclusive games, and Pro just enhances the quality of them. It doesn't let you play anything that wouldn't be possible to play on a Playstation 5.

So you buy a playstation 5 for $500.

You trade it in for $375. You're in the hole $173. That's money you've spent on top of the $700 price tag. Plus if you want to keep playing your disc drive games, you are spending another $80. So now you've spent $963 on the playstation ecosystem. For just $37 extra, you could have instead kept your Playstation 5, spent $500 on an xbox series x and gained access to the exclusive libraries of both consoles, and have a more powerful console than the basic Playstation 5 too.

Kinda sucks if you've bought cross-plats for the Playstation 5, or want extra perf. on one of the couple dozen Playstation 5 exclusive games[en.wikipedia.org]. but it's looking like the better way to go to me. The Playstation 5 Pro is the best advertisement for the Series X. It's basically Sony saying the perf. on tap isn't enough, so go buy a more powerful console, and by the way, we're screwing you on pricing by $200+ compared to our competitor (the series X has a disc drive built in and doesn't have an optional stand).

Is the series X quite as powerful as the Playstation 5 pro? Probably not. I've seen the pro pegged at RTX 4070 level[wccftech.com]. Series X is maybe closer to the 6800 xt if we're being optimistic. 6800xt is close enough in my opinion though. The direct A.M.D. equivalent to the 4070 is the 7800xt, but the 7800 xt, but the 7800 XT is only just barely considered an upgrade over the 6800 XT on average and I'm thinking 4070 is likely overly optimistic marketing nonsense.

Plus that's the same C.P.U. in the baseline Playstation 5 so there's no upgrade there.

• Ryzen 5600[www.amazon.com] $123
  
• XFX 6800 XT[www.amazon.com] $360
  
• ASROCK B450M PRO4 R2.0[www.amazon.com] $85
  
• Masterbox Q300L[www.amazon.com] $40
  
• 16 Gigs. of D.D.R. 4 R.A.M. $28[www.amazon.com]
  
• E.V.G.A. 750 BP[www.amazon.com] $65
  
• 2 terabyte S.S.D.[www.amazon.com] $100
  
• Darkrock Case Fans $9[www.amazon.com]

$810

Granted, the Ryzen 5600 is a 6 core C.P.U., but it's also Zen 3 archtecture and 6 cores is about optimal for P.C. anyway[www.xda-developers.com].

P.S.

Also, considering that you already have a P.C., you just stick an RTX 4070 Super in it for $600, maybe buy the $100 S.S.D. if you need more space and you're kicking the Playstation 5 Pro's butt.

The 4070 Super only has 56 compute units. My 3080 Ti has 80 and the PS5 Pro is said to have 60. So if we’re only looking at compute units then my 2 year old PC is already more powerful than the Pro.
Then again, the 4080 has 76 compute units and is clear a better card than mine so there is more to consider when making comparisons since the 4080 is said to be 28% faster than my card.

[A&A]

PS5 Pro is a what I call a scam

Originally posted by Citizen Cook:

The 4070 Super only has 56 compute units. My 3080 Ti has 80 and the PS5 Pro is said to have 60. So if we’re only looking at compute units then my 2 year old PC is already more powerful than the Pro.
Then again, the 4080 has 76 compute units and is clear a better card than mine so there is more to consider when making comparisons since the 4080 is said to be 28% faster than my card.

Even so, you are comparing GPUs with 3 different architectures from 2 different companies.
Also, where we left the clock speeds, memory bus width and VRAM size?

[_I_]

you simply cannot compare console directly to pc

they use their parts completely differently
and console os is so much lighter than windows or linux
and drivers are different, every console uses the same hardware and drivers are exactly the same
every game will play the same on every console of that rev

console have shared system ram and vram, it can do tricks to write from cpu ram space to gpu vram space, saving steps and without using pci-e lanes to give the gpu what it needs

consoles also have hardware decoders for dvd/bd that can work as their own processors
pc use software and cpu instructions to do the same task

they are faster and more efficient higher specd pc components but are much more limited on the tasks they can do


for now ps5 pro is kind pointless
vanilla ps5 can play most games at 4k30, and a few at 4k60 (in performance mode)

unless you really need the games to run at 4k60 without as much upscaling or tricks to hold 60fps and have the ~$1000 to waste on it, go ahead

[smokerob79]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

PC MASTE RACE

not PC master baiting disgrace.......

[󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by smokerob79:

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

PC MASTE RACE

not PC master baiting disgrace.......

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

Granted, the Ryzen 5600 is a 6 core C.P.U., but it's also Zen 3 archtecture and 6 cores is about optimal for P.C. anyway[www.xda-developers.com].

I’m surprised that everyone simply tells that PS5’s CPU equals 3700x or so on PC completely ignoring memory.
Ryzen is known to be very sensitive to RAM speeds and we can’t tell for sure that Ryzen 3700x or even 5600 with DDR4 3600CL16 is equal to PS5 APU with GDDR6 that has worse latency but over 20x higher bandwidth. Maybe it is but it’s hard to do a direct comparison when PC can’t have unified GDDR memory and we can’t benchmark such solution.

[Citizen Cook]

Originally posted by _I_:

you simply cannot compare console directly to pc

they use their parts completely differently
and console os is so much lighter than windows or linux
and drivers are different, every console uses the same hardware and drivers are exactly the same
every game will play the same on every console of that rev

console have shared system ram and vram, it can do tricks to write from cpu ram space to gpu vram space, saving steps and without using pci-e lanes to give the gpu what it needs

consoles also have hardware decoders for dvd/bd that can work as their own processors
pc use software and cpu instructions to do the same task

they are faster and more efficient higher specd pc components but are much more limited on the tasks they can do


for now ps5 pro is kind pointless
vanilla ps5 can play most games at 4k30, and a few at 4k60 (in performance mode)

unless you really need the games to run at 4k60 without as much upscaling or tricks to hold 60fps and have the ~$1000 to waste on it, go ahead

Personally, I feel like PSSR is the Pro’s best feature. FSR really is not good, and upscaling 1080p to 4K looks rough.