Still getting crashes to desktop. [update]

[Chaosolous]

Yeah so after upgrading my GPU to a 3060 from 1660 Super and using DDU in safemode and manually re-installing my drivers my games are still crashing.

I'd ask in individual game forums but it's legit every game I play is crashing.

Helldivers 2 locked up for a total system reboot earlier today, but it did that before with my older card too, that game is just notoriously unstable so it's hard to say if it's related.

BG3 is crashing on one of my saves after like ~10 minutes.

Cyberpunk will play for like ~20 minutes then crash. Along with most my other games, those are just the three I'm usually playing. On my older card games crashed rarely but this is just anytime I boot them.

I'll get like ~20 minutes at best then CTD.

No idea what's going on. Is there a way maybe to throttle my GPU usage in case it's related to my PSU?

Ideas?

Full system specs:

Windows 10
Intel i5 11400f
RTX 3060
32GB RAM

Update

I just wanted to give an update.

So after using MSI Afterburner to put a -120 on the GPU clock, I haven't been able to replicate a crash in BG3 with DLSS on at 1440p. I went through several areas that had been randomly crashing the game and everything seemed fine after ~80 minutes of testing without CTD.

HD 2 is a different beast and it's issues may well be of it's own netcode.

I will say though that the GPU clock as I was monitoring it went up to 1830, which if I understand what the MSI adjustment made, means that the GPU actually wanted to clock at like 1950, which as Jeffpmax pointed out, was higher than the 1867 he saw, an even still the clock speed is advertised where I bought it as 1807.

By reducing the clock speed it seems to have alleviated the crashes so far.

I want to thank everyone for their time and help, and if the issue persists, bet that I'll be back.

[r.linder]

The card could just be faulty

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

Go into nvidia control panel, upper drop down menu and toggle debug mode. Try your games and see if they crash. Debug mode will return to reference nvidia values and undo any factory overclocks from the board partner.

The board partner is allowed to run beyond these values and supposed to be stable. If the rtx 3060 is stable during debug operation, then that means the board partner set unsafe values and the gpu needs rma.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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The card could just be faulty

That too.
This is why you test your all the various benchmarks not games

[Chaosolous]

Honestly, after fighting with it for the better part of two days. I've decided it's not worth the headache and have reinstalled my old GTX 1660 Super and will be sending the RTX back.

In the end I'll just save up for either a new pre-built with better parts or to build a new computer fully from ordered parts as a project in the future.

All I know is that the benefits of the better card don't mean much if I can't reliably play a game.

Which is a bummer, it was a nice taste of what I'm missing.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Just save up and do a brand new custom build with liquid cooler for CPU and something like RTX 4070 or AMD 7800 XT or better if you can. Look at AMD Ryzen; such as AM5 Motherboard + DDR5-6000 RAM (at least 2x 16GB) and maybe Ryzen 7800X3D

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

Buy old gen but high tier like 3090, no need fomo with all the brand new,

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yea 3080 Ti is quite affordable and does the job well.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

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Honestly, after fighting with it for the better part of two days. I've decided it's not worth the headache and have reinstalled my old GTX 1660 Super and will be sending the RTX back.

In the end I'll just save up for either a new pre-built with better parts or to build a new computer fully from ordered parts as a project in the future.

All I know is that the benefits of the better card don't mean much if I can't reliably play a game.

Which is a bummer, it was a nice taste of what I'm missing.

come on man, i had been fighting black screen for 1 year, i thought AMD was d*gsyit card, like it or not this things happen if you build PC,

[Chaosolous]

Genuinely, I think it's related to the Voltage draw or the PSU wattage use.

Monitoring my 1660 SUPER it doesn't seem to ever go above 125W for power usage and 1v

The 3060 was around ~171W and the voltage was 1.1v

IDK why drawing more power would cause a CTD and not just a total system shutdown, but I don't have CTD's with my 1660 super if it can't keep up with what I'm asking, I just get bad frames.

The 3060 was flat out CTD. As much as I'd like to use it, I'd rather have bad frames than to not play my games at all.

The PSU in my PC is propitiatory and I can't just upgrade it (which is annoying), so I'm S.O.L.

[_I_]

how were temps?
would it crash during stress tests?

psu is often driver crash, or shutdown or reboot, not likely to crash to desktop

did you use ddu to wipe all drivers in safe mode and install them after rebooting?

also update bios and get the correct mobo drivers from the mobo mfg site
chipset, audio, lan, bt/wifi etc..
.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

if your PC turn on, your PC got the power they needed
what significant changed you did after you bought 3060? maybe turn on vsynch, changed your resolution, sometimes your active signal resolution is different than your resolution on windows display

the cheapest solution is give your card back to the shop, and maybe borrow their PSU
and what speed is your RAM, no XMP?

[Chaosolous]

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how were temps?
would it crash during stress tests?

psu is often driver crash, or shutdown or reboot, not likely to crash to desktop

did you use ddu to wipe all drivers in safe mode and install them after rebooting?

also update bios and get the correct mobo drivers from the mobo mfg site
chipset, audio, lan, bt/wifi etc..
.

Everything was nominal. Temps rarely went above 80C. Fans worked. Frames were stable.

The 3060 was running at way lower temps at higher settings in my games.

The only thing that was different was the wattage usage and voltage usage. Yes, I know it should have just crashed the system, but it didn't, it CTD'd everytime with my games.

That's why I'm baffled. Like, if it just crashed the PC, yeah okay sure. I get it. But it didn't. It CTD'd.

Yes I did use DDU and clean installed all my drivers for the 3060 when I installed it.

As far as the mobo mfg chipset something something, I have no idea what any of that is.

I just wanted to play my games at higher settings and this should have been a simple unplug and plug followed by a driver update and done.

My 1660 Super idles at 0.6V and ~25W usage.

When I'm playing my games at the most the damn thing can put out (meaning like, I'm pushing it to max and getting frame drops) is around ~125W and 1V

That 3060 was pushing the wattage to 171W and 1.1V

That's literally the only difference I noticed while monitoring.

[Chaosolous]

The thing that really gets me, is that I will look online at other Predator Orion 3000 pre-builts in the same vein as mine and they'll be selling them with a 3070 and an i7 13th gen, and still use the same PSU I have, 500W.

Like, if they can sell those like that and they work fine, wtf is up with me trying to put this card in?

Then again, the card could be borked and I'd have no way of knowing.

Also, as an addendum; during like benchmarks and stuff, never crashed. Only when playing a game.

On a 3060, I should of been able to play BG3 on max at 1440p with DLSS at 60FPS. Which I was. Then it would crash.

Same with HD2, 1080p, all settings max, native resolution. Should be fine, frames were eh, but that stuff don't bother me. It was fine, until it crashed.

Cyberpunk, all max settings, 1080p, raytracing medium, DLSS, ~60FPS give or take. Everything runs fine, then it crashes.

On the 1660 Super, I just get bad frames, no crashes.

The only difference (other than smoother frames) between me using the 1660 and the 3060 was that the 3060 used more watts and v's.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

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The thing that really gets me, is that I will look online at other Predator Orion 3000 pre-builts in the same vein as mine and they'll be selling them with a 3070 and an i7 13th gen, and still use the same PSU I have, 500W.

Like, if they can sell those like that and they work fine, wtf is up with me trying to put this card in?

Then again, the card could be borked and I'd have no way of knowing.

Also, as an addendum; during like benchmarks and stuff, never crashed. Only when playing a game.

On a 3060, I should of been able to play BG3 on max at 1440p with DLSS at 60FPS. Which I was. Then it would crash.

Same with HD2, 1080p, all settings max, native resolution. Should be fine, frames were eh, but that ♥♥♥♥ don't bother me. It was fine, until it crashed.

Cyberpunk, all max settings, 1080p, raytracing medium, DLSS, ~60FPS give or take. Everything runs fine, then it crashes.

On the 1660 Super, I just get ♥♥♥♥ frames, no crashes.

then is not power issue, more like your CPU cant handle it, imagine like 1660 were like small spoon, and your CPU is your mouth, everything stable, it can eat relativly okay,
than you bring 2Gen difference stuff, even with max settings your GPU is too fast, it send the chunk of data too fast, so your CPU is just puke

but either way if they say your CPU can handle your GPU, then it can
lets try playing 1080P, but start with mininum, then up one by one the setting

[Chaosolous]

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The thing that really gets me, is that I will look online at other Predator Orion 3000 pre-builts in the same vein as mine and they'll be selling them with a 3070 and an i7 13th gen, and still use the same PSU I have, 500W.

Like, if they can sell those like that and they work fine, wtf is up with me trying to put this card in?

Then again, the card could be borked and I'd have no way of knowing.

Also, as an addendum; during like benchmarks and stuff, never crashed. Only when playing a game.

On a 3060, I should of been able to play BG3 on max at 1440p with DLSS at 60FPS. Which I was. Then it would crash.

Same with HD2, 1080p, all settings max, native resolution. Should be fine, frames were eh, but that ♥♥♥♥ don't bother me. It was fine, until it crashed.

Cyberpunk, all max settings, 1080p, raytracing medium, DLSS, ~60FPS give or take. Everything runs fine, then it crashes.

On the 1660 Super, I just get ♥♥♥♥ frames, no crashes.

then is not power issue, more like your CPU cant handle it, imagine like 1660 were like small spoon, and your CPU is your mouth, everything stable, it can eat relativly okay,
than you bring 2Gen difference stuff, even with max settings your GPU is too fast, it send the chunk of data too fast, so your CPU is just puke

but either way if they say your CPU can handle your GPU, then it can
lets try playing 1080P, but start with mininum, then up one by one the setting

I still have some time before I return the GPU.

I'll re-install it later today and do some additional testing.

I'll report back here with whatever findings I come to. I just hate crashes, I'd simply rather have bad frames.