13th & 14th Gen Issues?
So, I was thinking on upgrading to the 14th Gen Intel, only after some research, it has a voltage problem/instability issues. I do see MB manufacturers have rolled out a 0x129 microcode update for their BIOS, but I'm still unsure. Is anybody running this CPU that can verify if this BIOS update has helped or should I wait for more testing?
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They still haven't fully fixed the issue as far as I'm aware, just keep BIOS up to date for the latest microcode regardless or go with AM5 if you're not already on LGA1700
r.linder a écrit :
They still haven't fully fixed the issue as far as I'm aware, just keep BIOS up to date for the latest microcode regardless or go with AM5 if you're not already on LGA1700
I don't think it is fixable since it's hardware related. If I were to go AMD, which CPU would you recommend? I ask since I'm mainly an Intel guy.
Da'vidinchi a écrit :
r.linder a écrit :
They still haven't fully fixed the issue as far as I'm aware, just keep BIOS up to date for the latest microcode regardless or go with AM5 if you're not already on LGA1700
I don't think it is fixable since it's hardware related. If I were to go AMD, which CPU would you recommend? I ask since I'm mainly an Intel guy.
It's not the hardware, it's the firmware that's the problem

And which CPU from AMD to get depends on how many cores you need for your workloads, if the system is just for gaming then a 7800X3D is best, if it's for more for a workstation machine, 7950X or 9950X, and if it's a mix of both, 7950X3D (or wait for 9950X3D to release later this year or next year)
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I'm running a 14900k in my unraid "server" and its been solid. It ran for months 24/7 without issue under various levels of load hosting multiple game servers, a jellyfin media server and other things. I updated the bios about 3 months ago when the intel default changes dropped and I still haven't seen any issues again running 24/7. I haven't done any of the recent microcode updates.
r.linder a écrit :
It's not the hardware, it's the firmware that's the problem

And which CPU from AMD to get depends on how many cores you need for your workloads, if the system is just for gaming then a 7800X3D is best, if it's for more for a workstation machine, 7950X or 9950X, and if it's a mix of both, 7950X3D (or wait for 9950X3D to release later this year or next year)

Bet. Thanks for the info. I'll look into them.
Crawl a écrit :
I'm running a 14900k in my unraid "server" and its been solid. It ran for months 24/7 without issue under various levels of load hosting multiple game servers, a jellyfin media server and other things. I updated the bios about 3 months ago when the intel default changes dropped and I still haven't seen any issues again running 24/7. I haven't done any of the recent microcode updates.
What concerns me is that roughly 50% of their CPUs are defective. You may have got a good one which is nice.
If you go with Intel, get a 12th gen CPU or a 10th Gen i9. Otherwise go with am4 or am5.
If you go with Intel, get a 12th gen CPU or a 10th Gen i9. Otherwise go with am4 or am5.
I'm looking at the new R9 9950X
My 14900k is just fine running with just an air cooler and bios limited to 5.5ghz with 307max amps and 253/253 watts per intel's recommended settings. I used a Thermal Grizzly cpu contact frame to hold the cpu perfectly flat. That factory motherboard hold downs bend the cpu and it does not make full contact with coolers. See Gamers Nexus and his exhaustive contact tests performed with factory motherboard cpu hold downs.
AM5 is great and 7800x3D is the best for gaming at the minute. My only gripe tho is there's still many apps that appear to be better optimised for Intel and for some reason boot times on AM5 are awfully slow because of memory training.

My start-up time is usually 20 to 25 seconds to 40 seconds depending on training. On my older i5 10400 it took 7 seconds to boot.
Philco7a a écrit :
My 14900k is just fine running with just an air cooler and bios limited to 5.5ghz with 307max amps and 253/253 watts per intel's recommended settings. I used a Thermal Grizzly cpu contact frame to hold the cpu perfectly flat. That factory motherboard hold downs bend the cpu and it does not make full contact with coolers. See Gamers Nexus and his exhaustive contact tests performed with factory motherboard cpu hold downs.
That's what I heard you have to do in the BIOS, is set the power manually to 125W/253W. But with the latest BIOS release, it does it for you for the recommended power settings.
Agent a écrit :
AM5 is great and 7800x3D is the best for gaming at the minute. My only gripe tho is there's still many apps that appear to be better optimised for Intel and for some reason boot times on AM5 are awfully slow because of memory training.

My start-up time is usually 20 to 25 seconds to 40 seconds depending on training. On my older i5 10400 it took 7 seconds to boot.
Yeahhh I'm hearing that too but I'm looking for more cores/threads in my next build.
There were two separate issues.

The microcode update is supposed to prevent the chip from applying excessive voltage on singular cores during turbo boosts. Processors already in service may have been permanently damaged through stock use if they were pushed too hard, but a new processor should be more or less fine, provided two things:

The first is that you applied the intel microcode update. The second is that you use intel default profile in the bios settings. Reviewer testing suggests that there isn't really much difference in new microcode perf. and old microcode perf., so new customers of raptor lake don't have to worry about this. You probably wouldn't want to buy a K sku raptor lake chip at this point in time since they can't really be pushed much harder than they already have been.

The second is some sort of defect with some application of an anti-oxidation coating to the V.I.As. during fabrication. Intel claims they purged the supply of processors with this physical defect from their supply chain sometime during 2023, but that some escaped onto store shelves.

They haven't given us a method of identifying what range of chips may be affected by this manufacturing defect. I would personally guess 14th gen. chips are less likely to be affected by this, if they are affected by it at all, since Intel knew about this in 2022 and they would have ideally fixed whatever the caused the problem before starting the manufacture of new chips. However, we haven't gotten a statement expressly confirming that, nor have we been given a method to know which precise range of chips might have the issue. I can hypothesize that 14th generation chips might not have suffered the oxidation defect, but I can't confirm it.

Given that Intel was knowingly selling potentially defective chips without making a formal announcement, and even refusing some R.M.A. requests puts trust in the company at a low, especially since they have refused to issue a formal recall.

1995 Intel issued a recall over their P5 chips over a minor division error that would have only affected a select few users who needed especially precise calculations[www.businessinsider.com]. Modern day Intel tries to sweep problems that lead to the catastrophic failure of the entire chi under the rug and pretend as if they never happened until they're caught red handed by Youtube's detective dept.

Failure rates of raptor lake chips were estimated to be at 10-20%[forums.anandtech.com], which is well outside any reasonable manufacturing tolerance. Maybe if Intel had been a little more honest from the start, an a little more wiling to accept R.M.A. or did issue a recall, just like they did in 1995, their reputation might not have taken such a bad hit. Mistakes happen sometimes.

However, as things have gone down it's extremely difficult for me to advise buying any raptor lake products because Intel has proven itself to be untrustworthy. Untrustworthy enough that I'm not even sure I believe them when they claim mobile and HX processors are unaffected by the bug. Even if Intel faces a class action lawsuit, if the company goes insolvent then they might not be able to honor their warranties. They're also an 80 billion dollar company: They also don't get to cry poor, even despite declining market share.

Even if you're a diehard team blue loyalist, lunar lake processors have been announced for October, and that's just about when we're anticipating arrow lake and arc products too. Nobody wants to be the person who bought tech only to have it rendered immediately obsolete. It doesn't really make sense to buy onto the problematic platform just as newer, better and likely safer purchases are just on the horizon. And look, even if rumors of new hardware come october end up to be false, you still have Black Friday by the end of November for anybody in a region which observes that practice.

If I were to buy onto LGA 1700, it would be for the alder lake chips, or maybe just wait until Bartlett Lake chips. We know those don't have problems because they would have exhibited problems first before the 13th and 14th generation chips. The 12600kf is also a pretty decent value chip, especially with the inclusion of Assassin's Creed Shadows (like it or not, a free game is a free game). However, I really can't advise buying into 14th gen chips at a premium over AM4 chips like the 7700 or the 7800x3D.

Plus I'm not sure what the situation with WIndows 23H2 and 24H2 is/url]. Could be that Ryzen suddenly gains an unexpected perf. lead or something that upsets all of the prior testing results we've been relying upon to ascertain where the chips land in the hierarchy.
I also disabled Ecores and Hyperthreading. My 14900k doesn't need that crap for gaming.
Drastically reduced temps.
Da'vidinchi a écrit :
Crawl a écrit :
I'm running a 14900k in my unraid "server" and its been solid. It ran for months 24/7 without issue under various levels of load hosting multiple game servers, a jellyfin media server and other things. I updated the bios about 3 months ago when the intel default changes dropped and I still haven't seen any issues again running 24/7. I haven't done any of the recent microcode updates.
What concerns me is that roughly 50% of their CPUs are defective. You may have got a good one which is nice.

I bet the actual number is more like 5%. Thats why it took intel over a year to notice that anything was wrong. I mean its still bad, but nowheare near as bad as people think.

People are just fear mongering for no reason, or because they are amd fanboys.
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