13th & 14th Gen Issues?

[Da'vidinchi]

So, I was thinking on upgrading to the 14th Gen Intel, only after some research, it has a voltage problem/instability issues. I do see MB manufacturers have rolled out a 0x129 microcode update for their BIOS, but I'm still unsure. Is anybody running this CPU that can verify if this BIOS update has helped or should I wait for more testing?

[r.linder]

Yeah it's nowhere near 50%, otherwise the problems would've appeared almost immediately, it's been well over a year. Manufacturing defects, extremely small rate, the microcode issues are the problem but it's still nowhere near 50%, Intel would've crashed hard if it was.

You can say it's 50% chance that you will have the issue but that's literally because there's only two possibilities. The actual rate of it actually happening is low.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Philco7a:

I also disabled Ecores and Hyperthreading. My 14900k doesn't need that crap for gaming.
Drastically reduced temps.

Exactly. Many games have some various issues whenever the E-Cores are active.

Intel and AMD both need to go back to the drawing board and release stuff that is more easily defined and not trying to squeeze everything all into one. While that sounds great on paper, reality is a bit different sometimes. Save a power efficient CPU that "can" be more powerful under load (when asked for the higher Ghz, etc.) for things like Laptops. Those have no business in our Desktops. Or at least not have efficiency stuff get in the way of something like an i7 or i9 performing well in both heavy pro work apps and gaming.

Intel trying to wipe the slate clean now by changing the name to Core Ultra.
Where does it make sense to have a Core Ultra 7 (what is basically the next gen i7 class) to have a model name called 155H and 265K. What idiot even dreamed that all up? It makes zero sense to consumers and creates a high level of confusion.

[Baker]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Yeah it's nowhere near 50%, otherwise the problems would've appeared almost immediately, it's been well over a year. Manufacturing defects, extremely small rate, the microcode issues are the problem but it's still nowhere near 50%, Intel would've crashed hard if it was.

You can say it's 50% chance that you will have the issue but that's literally because there's only two possibilities. The actual rate of it actually happening is low.

Not from what I heard.
"Its not if but when they fail" is what I heard.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Baker:

Originally posted by r.linder:

Yeah it's nowhere near 50%, otherwise the problems would've appeared almost immediately, it's been well over a year. Manufacturing defects, extremely small rate, the microcode issues are the problem but it's still nowhere near 50%, Intel would've crashed hard if it was.

You can say it's 50% chance that you will have the issue but that's literally because there's only two possibilities. The actual rate of it actually happening is low.

Not from what I heard.
"Its not if but when they fail" is what I heard.

There's people running 13900K series CPUs that are still waiting for that big "when" my guy, and they've used them since the VIA oxidation issues would've been a problem coming out of production at the very least. Pretty sure it's just unintentional fearmongering at the very least.

[A&A]

I would stay on 12th gen if I had one.

Why? Because the situation is a mixed bag.

- There are OEMs that don't have many return rates.
- Motherboard manufacturers are competing with themselves, drawing more voltage to the CPU and/or disabling safety mechanisms.
- The Intel microcode should fix the problem, but it also seems to require more voltage.
- Production problem. Ok, some units will be with affected lifespan.
- Or a design flaw.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by Andrius227:

Originally posted by Da'vidinchi:

What concerns me is that roughly 50% of their CPUs are defective. You may have got a good one which is nice.

I bet the actual number is more like 5%. Thats why it took intel over a year to notice that anything was wrong. I mean its still bad, but nowheare near as bad as people think.

People are just fear mongering for no reason, or because they are amd fanboys.

Exactly...its the internet i would have expected nothing less

[Da'vidinchi]

Well, I have a choice now to get the i9 14900K, or wait for the 15th Gen

[Philco7a]

I got my 14900k in a newly released Corsair One i500 ($4000 PC) from Bidfta online actions for $1300 think I paid. Was an Amazon return. Took it apart, the usb plug came off the motherboard for the cpu cooler. Kinda silly how amazon handles returns...i modded the heck outta that thing since i got it cheap. Has a 4080 super. Watch online auctions. I had to drive to Kentucky to pick it up

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In my personal opinion there is no need to update to any of those processors, For quality of games currently on the market its a waste my computer runs great and it's all older tech

[Bad 💀 Motha]

If you have something like a 12th Gen i7 or i9; you don't need a new CPU until many years away. And for many games, even a 12th Gen i3 is perfectly fine for 1080p gaming.

Even a Ryzen 5700X3D or 5800X3D will be good for YEARS.

One reason I switched to AMD AM5 was so I could use more PCIE 4.0 SSDs all at the same time. Since AM4 was limited.

What will help more is more RAM, better/larger SSDs (yea save the HDD BS for external backups) and a better GPU.

[AmaiAmai]

^ The above is true. If a game is that CPU-heavy that it runs bad like that, I wouldn't even buy it.

In 2024 when software is easier to make than ever, we have games coming out with poor performance due to bugs and other laziness. Even worse, some are still using SSE2 and bottlenecked by it? In 2024??

Consumers need to start speaking with their wallets. You should never have to update hardware over and over to play games, esp. since they aren't much better than before and ultimately do nothing new besides a few gimmicks either graphics or gameplay-wise that don't actually change much of what they claim to.

Yet they almost always have to be closed-source, limited on to some sort of hardware, and then have clauses that no one can decomplile them -- even to make it run better and more efficient. Wonder why?

A properly coded game shouldn't have any issue running on any modern hardware. Except in simulation games, you would have a hard time ever pushing your CPU to 100% except in garbage-tier games that force you to compile shaders 24/7 because the dev team is incompetent.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Philco7a:

I got my 14900k in a newly released Corsair One i500 ($4000 PC) from Bidfta online actions for $1300 think I paid. Was an Amazon return. Took it apart, the usb plug came off the motherboard for the cpu cooler. Kinda silly how amazon handles returns...i modded the heck outta that thing since i got it cheap. Has a 4080 super. Watch online auctions. I had to drive to Kentucky to pick it up

Amazon just takes the return and marks it. They not going to have a tech open it up and "fix" it.

But yea the original buyer obviously lazy if it was something that simple. Which could happen to any PC during shipping.

My advice is when ever you buy ANY Desktop PC and have to ship it. Always open it up and inspect everything before powering it on. Just as a means to double-check. Even a 10 year old should be able to do that and find the loose or unplugged cable and correct the problem.

[Viking2121]

Idk, I'd avoid the 13th and 14th gen myself, no one is sure if its going to be a problem later on, some say its fear mongering, so say its a low chance, do you want to take the risk as much as they cost and potentully be stuck with a paper weight from a premature death? knowing my luck, it would show its ugly face just outside of warranty, 12th gen or just go with AMD atm, or wait if you got to have the intel stuff. that would be my suggestion, but you do you.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Viking2121:

Idk, I'd avoid the 13th and 14th gen myself, no one is sure if its going to be a problem later on, some say its fear mongering, so say its a low chance, do you want to take the risk as much as they cost and potentully be stuck with a paper weight from a premature death? knowing my luck, it would show its ugly face just outside of warranty, 12th gen or just go with AMD atm, or wait if you got to have the intel stuff. that would be my suggestion, but you do you.

If the CPU lasts 3 years, I don't see it dying pre-maturely or shortly after this period.
If it's going to have problems or a failure, it's going to happen in the very short-term.

But yes I agree, everything 13th/14th Gen should be avoided. Otherwise you must have more money then brains. Especially since 15th Gen is right around the corner.

[Iggy Wolf]

I still have my i5 10400. At Ultra 1080P gaming, I rarely struggle to stay above 60 FPS (except maybe the new games that use Unreal Engine 5 but that would be down to optimization). DLSS still helps if I need more FPS. And I have a 165 Hz monitor and 3060 Ti. I'd say an 11 or 12 gen chip can still get the job done. I imagine a 4090 makes a bigger difference in terms of getting higher FPS. You might not get as high averages but you'll still be pushing at least 60 FPS at 4K if need be.