Does upgrading to 4K really make a significant visual difference on a 27" monitor?

[ZoSo]

Does upgrading to 4K really make a significant visual difference on a 27" monitor? Thanks in advance

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di Guydodge:

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Yeah it's double the pixel count but that means 1080p fits into 2160p four times. That's where it gets confusing for people, because it has twice as many pixels by resolution but that isn't the same thing as how display resolutions scale against each other.

2160p resolution has a total pixel count of over 8 million, four times the total count of 1080p's 2+ million. There's resolution, and then there's how many pixels actually go into making the display itself, which is why it's four times 1080p and not two times.

Diagram comparing 480, 720, 1080, and 2160[i.rtings.com]

The same applies to 720p vs 1440p, 720p fits into 1440p four times.

yes but it will give the best visual results when down scaling resolution to gain fps

Running 1080p on a 2160p screen isn't downscaling, it's upscaling. You're taking a smaller resolution image and blowing it up on a screen with a higher native resolution than the image you're trying to display on the screen. Downscaling is when you take a higher resolution image and squeeze it into a screen with a smaller native resolution.

Games that have upscaling settings call it that for that exact reason. You're not using the screen itself as the perspective or reference, you're using the image you're trying to display on the screen as the reference.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full-hd-tvs-and-upscaling-compared#1080p-upscaled-to-4k-vs-native-1080p

"To present lower-resolution material on a 4k TV, the TV has to perform a process called upscaling. This process increases the pixel count of a lower-resolution image, allowing a picture meant for a screen with fewer pixels to fit a screen with many more."

[Guydodge]

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Messaggio originale di Guydodge:

yes but it will give the best visual results when down scaling resolution to gain fps

Running 1080p on a 2160p screen isn't downscaling, it's upscaling. You're taking a smaller resolution image and blowing it up on a screen with a higher native resolution than the image you're trying to display on the screen. Downscaling is when you take a higher resolution image and squeeze it into a screen with a smaller native resolution.

Games that have upscaling settings call it that for that exact reason. You're not using the screen itself as the perspective or reference, you're using the image you're trying to display on the screen as the reference.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full-hd-tvs-and-upscaling-compared#1080p-upscaled-to-4k-vs-native-1080p

"To present lower-resolution material on a 4k TV, the TV has to perform a process called upscaling. This process increases the pixel count of a lower-resolution image, allowing a picture meant for a screen with fewer pixels to fit a screen with many more."

what ever.. its going to give better fps and hopefully let him utilize the 4k monitor
quote all the internet crap you want ive physically tested it and it works !!!

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Look, you can go buy a $250 4K 55 inch TV if you want a wasted 4K screen to play @ 1080p on. If you can not run EVERYTHING smoothly in 4K native, then NEVER buy a 4K Monitor. Doing so would be a complete waste of money since there is no good & cheap 4K Monitor.

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di Guydodge:

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Running 1080p on a 2160p screen isn't downscaling, it's upscaling. You're taking a smaller resolution image and blowing it up on a screen with a higher native resolution than the image you're trying to display on the screen. Downscaling is when you take a higher resolution image and squeeze it into a screen with a smaller native resolution.

Games that have upscaling settings call it that for that exact reason. You're not using the screen itself as the perspective or reference, you're using the image you're trying to display on the screen as the reference.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full-hd-tvs-and-upscaling-compared#1080p-upscaled-to-4k-vs-native-1080p

"To present lower-resolution material on a 4k TV, the TV has to perform a process called upscaling. This process increases the pixel count of a lower-resolution image, allowing a picture meant for a screen with fewer pixels to fit a screen with many more."

what ever.. its going to give better fps and hopefully let him utilize the 4k monitor
quote all the internet crap you want ive physically tested it and it works !!!

So will getting a faster video card that can actually handle gaming with good performance at the intended resolution for the display, or getting a 1080p screen that costs less and gives the same visual result for games where he'd have to upscale the image because of that 4060 Ti.

It's just a waste of money if he isn't going to upgrade his GPU so his system is actually ready for 4K, properly.

[Sigma957]

At 55" yes. For films shot on actual film in 2k that were transferred into a digital medium it is very nice.So films shot before 2012 basically, afterward it doesn't matter it's all digital all the time.

[Pocahawtness]

To me, no.

It just made a significant difference to the frame-rate. In a bad way.

Personally, I think games always tend to look a little "not real" so increasing the pixel density doesn't really help.

What does help is making them "pop", by using an OLED.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Messaggio originale di Pocahawtness:

To me, no.

It just made a significant difference to the frame-rate. In a bad way.

Personally, I think games always tend to look a little "not real" so increasing the pixel density doesn't really help.

What does help is making them "pop", by using an OLED.

That depends. If a game has textures and such that will look better defined at say 1440p or 2160p and you're playing at 1080p; then regardless of how good or clear that 1080p display is, the end result might be blurry textures since they are being displayed at a lower resolution.

Some have expressed feedback for games like Red Dead 2, saying that even on Ultra, the textures weren't that good. Well yea, if you're playing at 1080p, then that's why. Cause such a game was meant to be ran at 1440p or higher. And not ALL textures have a high res texture for Ultra. But things like the various clothing items, the weapons, details of buildings, horse saddles and it's various details and such. These can all be seen in more of a 1:1 way when playing on a quality 1440p or 2160p screen.

But again, yes not a good idea to buy a 2160p Monitor unless your PC Specs are good enough to run basically everything in 4K all the time. Otherwise the money is probably better spent on say, a better GPU and some kind of 1440p high refresh Monitor instead. You'd generally get better visual experiences out of a higher refresh screen and/or ultra-wide then to simply lean towards a low or mid range 4K Display.

[Guydodge]

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Messaggio originale di Guydodge:

what ever.. its going to give better fps and hopefully let him utilize the 4k monitor
quote all the internet crap you want ive physically tested it and it works !!!

So will getting a faster video card that can actually handle gaming with good performance at the intended resolution for the display, or getting a 1080p screen that costs less and gives the same visual result for games where he'd have to upscale the image because of that 4060 Ti.

It's just a waste of money if he isn't going to upgrade his GPU so his system is actually ready for 4K, properly.

true but thats not what he was asking he wants to play mostly turn based games at 4k
which is more than doable seeing as they dont require a high fps for a good experience
he can have his cake and eat it to.you must have misunderstood his post.the answer was
as simple as the question.and running a 4k monitor at 1080 is real close to a native 1080p
monitor ive tested side by side and with the smaller 4k monitor(27-28inch) it looks far superior on a much smaller pixel screen compared to the larger pixels

[ZoSo]

Messaggio originale di Guydodge:

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

So will getting a faster video card that can actually handle gaming with good performance at the intended resolution for the display, or getting a 1080p screen that costs less and gives the same visual result for games where he'd have to upscale the image because of that 4060 Ti.

It's just a waste of money if he isn't going to upgrade his GPU so his system is actually ready for 4K, properly.

true but thats not what he was asking he wants to play mostly turn based games at 4k
which is more than doable seeing as they dont require a high fps for a good experience
he can have his cake and eat it to.you must have misunderstood his post.the answer was
as simple as the question.and running a 4k monitor at 1080 is real close to a native 1080p
monitor ive tested side by side and with the smaller 4k monitor(27-28inch) it looks far superior on a much smaller pixel screen compared to the larger pixels

You recommend going with the 4K monitor? -and for anything it struggles with, just switch to 1920x1080 as a back-up plan? This way I'd be able to use 4K for anything it doesn't struggle with. I guess it comes down to how many games I'd have to switch to 1920x1080. If it's a relatively small percentage, then it's worth it for all the 4K I'd get to experience (not just for games). but if I had to change the settings to 1920x1080 for most games, I'd be lowering what I already have now (which is 1440).

Thanks again for helping