good gaming pcs?

[Scania 133 H]

i wanna get a good gaming pc. I dont want to build.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

^ Yes I agree. A gamer can be anyone. The hardware used has nothing to do with it. My parents were both what you would call casual gamers. Since they had real lives unlike so many I see today. My parents played on Atari, Apple Ii, Commodore 64, IBM 386, Intel 486, Pentium... etc. Back in the earlier days or Apple II that was my Dad's side hustle. He supplied Apple II stuff to anyone who could afford it and he supplied most of all the schools in Maryland and Delaware with their early days computer labs needs. We always had computers in the home. We were all gamers one way or another. At age 8-10 he taught me how to solder on PCBs and do Apple related repairs. Our two main Apple IIe systems both had an upgraded aftermarket CPU which helped quite a bit with app and game loading times. There was no HDDs, only command prompt and Floppy Disks. At age 10 I built my own with a 486/66 and then not long after Since I wanted something really powerful I ordered a custom build from Micron with Pentium 90Mhz and all SCSI drives, even the CDROM was SCSI and had easy to swap trays you put CDs into. As some games for example you had to swap between a couple different CDs during gameplay like Under a Killing Moon for example. Later I built another with Pentium 200 MMX...

We never bothered with the early days of Nintendo and Sega stuff because most of the other kids in the neighborhood had those so we would just go over there to play other games like Mortal Kombat 1 and 2, Mario, Zelda, etc.

Don't have to custom build to BE A GAMER. But overall if you want a better PC that can last and you can customize and upgrade, yes always do custom build.

Nowa days you can easily pick all good parts and then have someone else or a shop build and test it for you.

[andreasaspenberg575]

even a pre-built pc can be upgraded. my HP was upgraded with more ram and a better graphics card. in terms of upgradability however, you need to check the motherboard. upgrading it might void its warranty however.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

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^ Yes I agree. A gamer can be anyone. The hardware used has nothing to do with it. My parents were both what you would call casual gamers. Since they had real lives unlike so many I see today. My parents played on Atari, Apple Ii, Commodore 64, IBM 386, Intel 486, Pentium... etc. Back in the earlier days or Apple II that was my Dad's side hustle. He supplied Apple II stuff to anyone who could afford it and he supplied most of all the schools in Maryland and Delaware with their early days computer labs needs. We always had computers in the home. We were all gamers one way or another. At age 8-10 he taught me how to solder on PCBs and do Apple related repairs. Our two main Apple IIe systems both had an upgraded aftermarket CPU which helped quite a bit with app and game loading times. There was no HDDs, only command prompt and Floppy Disks. At age 10 I built my own with a 486/66 and then not long after Since I wanted something really powerful I ordered a custom build from Micron with Pentium 90Mhz and all SCSI drives, even the CDROM was SCSI and had easy to swap trays you put CDs into. As some games for example you had to swap between a couple different CDs during gameplay like Under a Killing Moon for example. Later I built another with Pentium 200 MMX...

We never bothered with the early days of Nintendo and Sega stuff because most of the other kids in the neighborhood had those so we would just go over there to play other games like Mortal Kombat 1 and 2, Mario, Zelda, etc.

Don't have to custom build to BE A GAMER. But overall if you want a better PC that can last and you can customize and upgrade, yes always do custom build.

Nowa days you can easily pick all good parts and then have someone else or a shop build and test it for you.

a gamer is the classic chess club/nerd/top 5% IQ/hacker/etc
aka back when only 1 in 30 households even had a pc.. they would have one.

that playing games has become mainstream.. does NOT mean all the casuals and console kids can usurp the honourarly title "gamer"

a gamer
**has way above average IQ (120+ at least)
**has gaming as his MAIN hobby, spending at least 20 hours a week on playing games on average.
**spends for every hour playing games at least 3 hours, reading/watching manuals to learn about their games, modding their games (yes including writing their own mods).
**has a pc they build and installed themselves, and they can list from memory every part in it (and likely the parts in every pc they ever own in the past) with all parts no more than 5 years old
**generally spends between 50 and 100 euro a month on hardware -> which translates to a new 2400-4800 euro pc every 3 years
**generally spends little to non on non gaming software... (don't be surpirsed if the OS, office, and virussoftware are all pirated of freeware or semi-legal (like licences that are very cheap but legally are ment for a different market/region or target group (like student licences)
** despite quite active in pirating games, still spends likely 150-800 euro per year on games on average. (they like to own)
(
retro-gaming is it's own niche.. the same numbers apply except instead of updating.. they strife to obtain the best hardware of a certain era, which comes with it's own pricetag...
)

**a gamer hates handholding, instant travel, unkillable npc and stuff like that..
so the opposite of console kids need for instant gratifications.. and preferes open worlds, with steep learning curves.
**a gamer has not just gaming skills, but generally is also the go to tech guy for their friends and family, helped by their vast software and hardware skills.. and often end up or already work in IT.
**while female gamers do exist.. most gamers by far are male.. and in the age of 16-26...
(older gamers generally get swamped by adult life/family life.. and thus drop to being semi-casuals, and younger kids.. well we call them console-kids for a reason.

oh and a gamer also LOVES tinkering on their pc.. basicly they are always tuning, it is a bit how other man always tune their car of bike... and waste fortunes in the proces;)
lovingly speaking of their pc as their "rig"

if the above does not aply to you.. you are NOT a gamer.
don't insult those who are by claiming you are.
-> you might be a person who likes to play a game.. but the correct term most likely than would be player

and if you want to add a prefix.
these are all terms in use :

active player
causual player
casual
dirty casual
console player
console kid

[De Hollandse Ezel]

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to be a gamer means building your own pc + a lot of other things OP.
it is one of the requirements that lifts you from casual.. to gamer.
*** ignoring the rest ***

thats complete bs

there are console gamers, and some dont want to build their own pc, just know that it works good

a $750 entry level pc is fine to begin with
you can always upgrade cpu/mobo/ram, drives and gpu and psu and get a better monitor/k/m/controller later

don't insult again (see above)

there are console PLAYERS
there are casual PLAYERS

but gamer is a specific term for a specific group that build their pc's while the casuals still lived annalog lives, or spend their time on socialising or whatever else they do with they time.
don't usurp it.

750 dollar imho is cutting it short. at least as prices are here... in euro.
the last few budget pc's I build all ranged in the 800-900 euro range and that was just for the case.. with perifials I really stick to a minimum of 1000 euro.,
than again we ofcourse have 21% vat here.. and that vat IS included in that amount.

[A&A]

No way, you still can spend €750 for system that can run games at 1080P.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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even a pre-built pc can be upgraded. my HP was upgraded with more ram and a better graphics card. in terms of upgradability however, you need to check the motherboard. upgrading it might void its warranty however.

They are too small. The cases and airflow is all junk and the power supply is junk.... what more do we need to keep saying about prebuild junk.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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Escrito originalmente por _I_:

thats complete bs

there are console gamers, and some dont want to build their own pc, just know that it works good

a $750 entry level pc is fine to begin with
you can always upgrade cpu/mobo/ram, drives and gpu and psu and get a better monitor/k/m/controller later

don't insult again (see above)

there are console PLAYERS
there are casual PLAYERS

but gamer is a specific term for a specific group that build their pc's while the casuals still lived annalog lives, or spend their time on socialising or whatever else they do with they time.
don't usurp it.

750 dollar imho is cutting it short. at least as prices are here... in euro.
the last few budget pc's I build all ranged in the 800-900 euro range and that was just for the case.. with perifials I really stick to a minimum of 1000 euro.,
than again we ofcourse have 21% vat here.. and that vat IS included in that amount.

So a console player is not a gamer. Wow like just stop OK. You're an insult to everything gaming, period, nuff said.

Who ever said Gamer = PC custom builder folks. You people juat make crap up out of thin air day by day. Ridiculous non-sense

[andreasaspenberg575]

they are not always small. i have an acer predator orion 9000. it have good air flow(2 fans on the front, 1 fan at the back) and more than enough space. it have room for multiple SSDs and 1 more HDD.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

That's not even close to enough airflow unless you running a low budget CPU and GPU maybe.

Seriously just build your own. It's not hard. Probably the harder part is picking parts but if you have a budget range many who know this stuff can easily help someone pick good parts that fits the budget.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

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No way, you still can spend €750 for system that can run games at 1080P.

1080p?? in THIS age... no, just no.

but well at that budget you likely get something like this :

6650XT : 240 euro
1tb m.2 : 60 euro
5600X : 100 euro
B550M motherboard : 100 euro
basic case : 50 euro
16GB DDR4 ram : 50 euro
cpu cooling : 40 euro
psu : 60 euro
=
700 euro.

and than you aint getting a decent monitor.. which will add another 150 euro.
mouse and keyboard and speakers..even if you pick a cheap combo box.. is still 50 euro.

so yeah 900 euro for a full system can be done.
but I really would add 100 euro.. to upgrade that to AM5.
I'd like in a modern basic system.. to insert a bit more than 1 TB m.2, 32GB ram, and an am5 platform, so that unlike the above list.. the option to update at a furture point still is properly open.

[D. Flame]

There are plenty of good ones. Just expect to pay double what they are worth.

[andreasaspenberg575]

in my country, pre-built costs a lot less than parts.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Escrito originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

don't insult again (see above)

there are console PLAYERS
there are casual PLAYERS

but gamer is a specific term for a specific group that build their pc's while the casuals still lived annalog lives, or spend their time on socialising or whatever else they do with they time.
don't usurp it.

750 dollar imho is cutting it short. at least as prices are here... in euro.
the last few budget pc's I build all ranged in the 800-900 euro range and that was just for the case.. with perifials I really stick to a minimum of 1000 euro.,
than again we ofcourse have 21% vat here.. and that vat IS included in that amount.

So a console player is not a gamer. Wow like just stop OK. You're an insult to everything gaming, period, nuff said.

Who ever said Gamer = PC custom builder folks. You people juat make crap up out of thin air day by day. Ridiculous non-sense

console kids are MOST DEFINITLY not gamers.

I looked down on them with my IBM 8086 and VESA grafics, even before harddives or mouses were a thing.,.

I looked down on them with my commendore 64, heck it not even had floppy's originally had to use casette tapes..
and the commendore WAS a computer.. as evidence by : I ofcourse had fysically modded and extra chips added.. and programmed many a game in basic.

and anything since.

when a magazine reads "best games' and they are all console titles I am like WTF those are not games...

I was already commanding 10000 unit armies in strategy when conside kids were still playing streetfighter and other crappy arcade games..

[_I_]

Escrito originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

So a console player is not a gamer. Wow like just stop OK. You're an insult to everything gaming, period, nuff said.

Who ever said Gamer = PC custom builder folks. You people juat make crap up out of thin air day by day. Ridiculous non-sense

console kids are MOST DEFINITLY not gamers.

I looked down on them with my IBM 8086 and VESA grafics, even before harddives or mouses were a thing.,.

I looked down on them with my commendore 64, heck it not even had floppy's originally had to use casette tapes..
and the commendore WAS a computer.. as evidence by : I ofcourse had fysically modded and extra chips added.. and programmed many a game in basic.

and anything since.

when a magazine reads "best games' and they are all console titles I am like WTF those are not games...

I was already commanding 10000 unit armies in strategy when conside kids were still playing streetfighter and other crappy arcade games..

if you think that, go somewhere else

most pc gamer do have or atleast had consoles
the c64 and trs80 were basically consoles

and most pc games now are ported to console

with newer gen consoles there is no need to upgrade anything other than storage
the launch xbox one can play xbox series s/x games via cloud play at 1080p60 and no noticeable lag/input delay with a fast internet connection, way better than a $750 pc can

[⛧jakey⛧]

Don't build a PC if you don't want to, don't do anything you aren't comfortable with just because some PC elitists online tell you that you must build your own.
There are alot of good pre-builts out there just as there are crappy ones. Alienware pc's suck due to using cheap OEM parts. You get what you pay for, nice prebuilts are a premium.
Just get something where you can choose all the pc parts that go into it, even Microcenter can build a pc for you.