From 10900K to 12900KS, how much more FPS in 4K?

[Peter]

I'm gonna retire my dear i9 10900K that has served me so flawlessly for 4 happy years, together with the ddr4 3200.

I'm now going to upgrade to the mighty 12900KS {which I got for a good price} and 6000 M/T ddr5.

In both cases I'll be using the same gpu, my beloved and reliable Aorus 3090 xtreme. {Don't worry I've got a Aorus 4090 master and a 13900K, but there is still so much life left in the 3090}

My question is, how much more FPS can I expect, in 4K resolution, from such an upgrade? In theory, since the 3090 is already gpu limited, and fully saturated, in 4K resolution with the 10900K, am I right in expecting next to no uplift in FPS with the 12900KS and ddr5 6000 M/T

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Probably not much if any. 4K is GPU dependent.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Just keep the 10th gen + 3090 as-is. Mo point upgrading the cpu for 4K performance. If you could, sell off the 3090 and maybe get a 4080 or better for that PC if you need better graphics performance. 10th i9 should still do quite well overall and if you have ability and decent cooling, disable the cpu turbo and OC it across all cores.

[_I_]

do not move to 12-13th gen
wait for next intel gen, or go to amd

at 4k, its much more gpu dependent than cpu

[BurakZG]

I expect 0 FPS more, but I'm curious, so let us know after upgrade.

[Midnight Aurais]

the only area you could gain some fps is raytracing/path tracing related as it does require a good cpu for that but rasterized gpu

overal i doubt the increase is worth the money

imagine they actually did what was said at the launch of directx 12 that you could use the chipset alongside your gpu then because of ddr 5 that might have been a difference but alas the promise never came to pass in fact later it was removed from marketing while still existing in the api

[Peter]

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

disable the cpu turbo and OC it across all cores

I've disabled multi core enhancement. It's a rubbish setting, that thrashes the cpu, with no benefit to 4K gaming.

BurakZG の投稿を引用：

I expect 0 FPS more, but I'm curious, so let us know after upgrade.

I'm kinda curious too. Lets see what the gaming benchmarks reveal. One thing is for sure, I'd never put my cpu through a tortuous cinebench test.

Midnight Aurais の投稿を引用：

the only area you could gain some fps is raytracing/path tracing related as it does require a good cpu for that but rasterized gpu

overal i doubt the increase is worth the money

The money is just my disposable income to spend. I always use the lowest ray tracing setting, just enough to fix the screen space reflection problem when off screen, if you know what I mean, for example, like looking at a pond while moving the camera up and down.

[Peter]

_I_ の投稿を引用：

do not move to 12-13th gen
wait for next intel gen, or go to amd

at 4k, its much more gpu dependent than cpu

Well, I now own a 12900KS and a 13900K.

For me, the whole 13/14 gen situation was a nothing burger. It's easily fixed in the bios. I refused to do the microcode update, which did sweet duck all.

For better or worse, I'm kind of married to certain brands. I just can't bring myself to buy AMD. It's Intel i9 processors for the cpu. Nvidia for gpu. Gigabyte Aorus for motherboard and gpu. Thermaltake for everything else. I really love their toughfans! Lastly, it's Logitech for keyboard and mouse.

[Midnight Aurais]

Peter の投稿を引用：

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

disable the cpu turbo and OC it across all cores

I've disabled multi core enhancement. It's a rubbish setting, that thrashes the cpu, with no benefit to 4K gaming.

BurakZG の投稿を引用：

I expect 0 FPS more, but I'm curious, so let us know after upgrade.

I'm kinda curious too. Lets see what the gaming benchmarks reveal. One thing is for sure, I'd never put my cpu through a tortuous cinebench test.

Midnight Aurais の投稿を引用：

the only area you could gain some fps is raytracing/path tracing related as it does require a good cpu for that but rasterized gpu

overal i doubt the increase is worth the money

The money is just my disposable income to spend. I always use the lowest ray tracing setting, just enough to fix the screen space reflection problem when off screen, if you know what I mean. Like looking at a pond while moving the camera up and down.

wel yeah if money ain't the issue then go for it however a investment into like a better monitor would in this situation be more beneficial heck i went for a tcl 3300 nit hdr tv even for photo editing it has near perfect color reproduction all around but for gaming it is also a treat once you taste good hdr you cant really go back to sdr stuff will look dull in comparison also blacks are 100% black even while this is a mini-led tv that said there are some rare cases were there is some holoing but you actually need to look for the effect to find it

same for you could get better sound that said for a tv the 5+1 subwoofer combo inbuilt is pretty good for tv sounding speakers games like hellblade 1 and 2 benefit a lot from good surround speakers like a lot even if they recommend using headphones but that is due to a lot of speakers not catching every whisper

so yeah if you do not think anything else in your setup needs a upgrade go for it

[smokerob79]

Peter の投稿を引用：

_I_ の投稿を引用：

do not move to 12-13th gen
wait for next intel gen, or go to amd

at 4k, its much more gpu dependent than cpu

Well, I now own a 12900KS and a 13900K.

For me, the whole 13/14 gen situation was a nothing burger. It's easily fixed in the bios. I refused to do the microcode update, which did sweet duck all.

For better or worse, I'm kind of married to certain brands. I just can't bring myself to buy AMD. It's Intel i9 processors for the cpu. Nvidia for gpu. Gigabyte Aorus for motherboard and gpu. Thermaltake for everything else. I really love their toughfans! Lastly, it's Logitech for keyboard and mouse.

you ducked NOTHING and your chip will still have problems....the way it was made is the real issues that can NOT be fixed....micro coding will only extend your time not having issues....but will have issues....

[Peter]

Midnight Aurais の投稿を引用：

well yeah if money ain't the issue then go for it however a investment into like a better monitor would in this situation be more beneficial heck i went for a tcl 3300 nit hdr tv even for photo editing it has near perfect color reproduction all around but for gaming it is also a treat once you taste good hdr you cant really go back to sdr stuff will look dull in comparison also blacks are 100% black even while this is a mini-led tv that said there are some rare cases were there is some holoing but you actually need to look for the effect to find it

same for you could get better sound that said for a tv the 5+1 subwoofer combo inbuilt is pretty good for tv sounding speakers games like hellblade 1 and 2 benefit a lot from good surround speakers like a lot even if they recommend using headphones but that is due to a lot of speakers not catching every whisper

so yeah if you do not think anything else in your setup needs a upgrade go for it

I'm with you on mini led, because I use an Asus PG32UQX monitor. Other than the haloing, it's an oled killer for sure. I only play single player, so while the monitor is now a little behind in terms of specs, it's a great monitor nevertheless. The colours are out of this world! I still like oled though and I don't want to say it, but I also own an Asus PG42UQ oled monitor. I swap between the 2.

In Australia, the 12900KS was originally selling for around $1100 and I got a new one for $500, although it was packaged in the plain blue box {tier 4 packaging as Intel calls it} and in not the elaborate box and gold clam shell.

[Peter]

smokerob79 の投稿を引用：

you ducked NOTHING and your chip will still have problems....the way it was made is the real issues that can NOT be fixed....micro coding will only extend your time not having issues....but will have issues....

I take what you are saying as true only in the general sense that all cpus degrade over time. My 13900k is running in intel spec, with no mce enabled and 6000 ddr5 only. You should remind yourself how light the cpu load is, together with temperature, in 4K gaming, especially for a i9 processor. In fact everyone knows a i9 is overkill for gaming, but I can't help myself!

I'd love to own a 14900KS if the price is right. I think it's a historic cpu...6.2ghz bro!!!!!

[_I_]

smokerob79 の投稿を引用：

Peter の投稿を引用：

Well, I now own a 12900KS and a 13900K.

For me, the whole 13/14 gen situation was a nothing burger. It's easily fixed in the bios. I refused to do the microcode update, which did sweet duck all.

For better or worse, I'm kind of married to certain brands. I just can't bring myself to buy AMD. It's Intel i9 processors for the cpu. Nvidia for gpu. Gigabyte Aorus for motherboard and gpu. Thermaltake for everything else. I really love their toughfans! Lastly, it's Logitech for keyboard and mouse.

you ducked NOTHING and your chip will still have problems....the way it was made is the real issues that can NOT be fixed....micro coding will only extend your time not having issues....but will have issues....

^ this

its a hardware problem with the cpu die
it will fail eventually under normal use
intel extended the warranty period on those cpus for a reason
they know they are flawed, bios updates do help extend their short lifespan

[r.linder]

For 2160p it isn't even worth upgrading anything other than the GPU because the vast majority of the time, the weakest link is going to be the GPU

Lower resolutions put more focus on the CPU as GPUs can render at higher framerates, whereas at higher resolutions, the load is shifted more on the GPU and off the CPU, so at 2160p you can get away with a 10900K for at least another GPU generation or two

[UserNotFound]

Peter の投稿を引用：

Well, I now own a 12900KS and a 13900K.

For me, the whole 13/14 gen situation was a nothing burger. It's easily fixed in the bios. I refused to do the microcode update, which did sweet duck all.

Well, that isn't exactly so, some peeps' 13th and 14th gen CPU might have been damaged, invisible damage in that the damage done might not have manifested itself yet. You may have lucked out, or the damage done isn't apparent yet, nobody can say one way or another.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

All those 13th and 14th Gen i7/i9 should be considered damaged goods. They are ticking time bombs. Avoid them. If you have one, RMA it; regardless of you having issues with it or not. Because at some point it will get damaged (by design) and that could be while you're in the middle of doing something important or that would then have that PC go down for days or weeks.