B650m and 9800x3d

[Jade]

Would b650m am5 mobo support 9800x3d?

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Depends on the power delivery and VRM shielding, if it`s some cheapest model then I would not recommend trying. What motherboard do you have exactly?

[_I_]

what mobo exactly
look up its specs to see what cpus it supports

and cpu support only means it 'works' but not at its rated spec
if its a weak vrm design, it will be throttled before he cpu can get warm

and with an older chipset may limit performance in other ways, lower pci-e rev or ram and/or other things

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Need to ensure it has a BIOS update for such cpu support. 9800X3D doesnt come out until after Nov 7th 2024

You also need to ensure Motherboard VRM can really support it since 9800X3dlD will have 120+ Watts TDP

If need be can always use the 9700X (65W TDP)

[smokerob79]

dont waste your time....for that chip you want any of the X70 boards like a 670 or 870.....

[Bad 💀 Motha]

^ This

But you should be fine to use a 9700X after a BIOS update.
Otherwise just go for a 7800X3D

[r.linder]

Depends on the board, there are plenty of B650 series boards that could handle it but if you pick a bottom end motherboard model, you might not get the full performance out of it.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Depends on the board, there are plenty of B650 series boards that could handle it but if you pick a bottom end motherboard model, you might not get the full performance out of it.

This.

I'm not sure why some others think the Xx70 boards are needed for gaming. This isn't like the Intel platforms of 5 to 10 years ago where you usually did want the top chipset to get the most out of the K variant CPU, or to use RAM profile speeds to their fullest, and so on. The big thing the AMD Xx70 boards offer is more PCI Express bandwidth for multiple SSDs at one time... and yeah, that's not needed for gaming.

Many of the B550 boards were actually comparable or even a bit better than the X570 boards too.

With B650, I think many of the earlier/first generation boards were good, but many of the second wave ones were actually pretty mediocre? I'm recalling a Hardware Unboxed video on them when updated ones released and I recall many of them weren't that good.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Originally posted by r.linder:

Depends on the board, there are plenty of B650 series boards that could handle it but if you pick a bottom end motherboard model, you might not get the full performance out of it.

This.

I'm not sure why some others think the Xx70 boards are needed for gaming. This isn't like the Intel platforms of 5 to 10 years ago where you usually did want the top chipset to get the most out of the K variant CPU, or to use RAM profile speeds to their fullest, and so on. The big thing the AMD Xx70 boards offer is more PCI Express bandwidth for multiple SSDs at one time... and yeah, that's not needed for gaming.

Many of the B550 boards were actually comparable or even a bit better than the X570 boards too.

With B650, I think many of the earlier/first generation boards were good, but many of the second wave ones were actually pretty mediocre? I'm recalling a Hardware Unboxed video on them when updated ones released and I recall many of them weren't that good.

As I recall:

B350 - mix of mid and outright cheap (in a bad way) motherboards with issues
B450 - mostly mid, some bad, basically none that were really good
B550 - mostly decent, some mid, some really good, a few unnecessarily good
B650 - some good, some decent, some mid, probably some bad

I recall also seeing articles where B850 was going to be cut-down a bit to the point of being closer to B450 in terms of quality and value, and B840 added as like the "new" low budget chipset (similar to the A series)
So AMD might be allowing their partners to put more focus into X670 and X870.

[_I_]

the amd b boards have always been a mix
some really good some really bad

the a boards are all junk

kinda similar with the intel b, some good some bad
intel h are all junk

the intel z and amd x boards are mostly good or overbuilt

[Illusion of Progress]

Yeah, who knows what will happen with 800 series chipsets. We also don't know if the new X3Ds will have overclocking or other features that want an 800 series chipset (perhaps the X870 even), so we have to wait on that one.

But otherwise, it's like you said. It's down to the individual board, not the chipset, on how good it is. The chipset mostly determines features, and the X series chipsets are by no means necessary for gaming.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Yeah, who knows what will happen with 800 series chipsets. We also don't know if the new X3Ds will have overclocking or other features that want an 800 series chipset (perhaps the X870 even), so we have to wait on that one.

But otherwise, it's like you said. It's down to the individual board, not the chipset, on how good it is. The chipset mostly determines features, and the X series chipsets are by no means necessary for gaming.

There have been rumours that suggested 9000X3D will support overclocking but I kind of doubt it.

B850 will be fine for most but X870 will probably take more of a foothold for people who take things too seriously and enthusiasts because they want people to pay more for motherboards.

[hawkeye]

I'd wait until you have the 4K gear. The main reason is that fps with 4K can be quite low even with a 4090. (Check benchmarks for the games you want to play.) And as cpu load is much the same at all resolutions but is dependent on fps, the cpu is the last component you would look at upgrading. Who knows what is around the corner with hardware.

On the other hand it never hurts to have a cpu with the best single thread speed available for games which only use a few threads. A lot of what a game does isn't fps related.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Need to ensure it has a BIOS update for such cpu support. 9800X3D doesnt come out until after Nov 7th 2024

You also need to ensure Motherboard VRM can really support it since 9800X3dlD will have 120+ Watts TDP

If need be can always use the 9700X (65W TDP)

I believe that TDP shouldn’t be used for power consumption any more as it can be super misleading.

Intel 13900k has 125W TDP
Ryzen 7700 has 65W TDP

One of the most power efficient gaming CPU on the planet: 7800x3D has 120W TDP while consuming about 50W while gaming.
It’s just difficult to cool so has higher Thermal Design Power.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Need to ensure it has a BIOS update for such cpu support. 9800X3D doesnt come out until after Nov 7th 2024

You also need to ensure Motherboard VRM can really support it since 9800X3dlD will have 120+ Watts TDP

If need be can always use the 9700X (65W TDP)

I believe that TDP shouldn’t be used for power consumption any more as it can be super misleading.

Intel 13900k has 125W TDP
Ryzen 7700 has 65W TDP

One of the most power efficient gaming CPU on the planet: 7800x3D has 120W TDP while consuming about 50W while gaming.
It’s just difficult to cool so has higher Thermal Design Power.

Intel doesn't even use TDP anymore, it got replaced with Processor Base Power (PBP) which would be 65W, 125W, etc. and Max Boost Power (MBP) which would be where 235W+ comes into play for stuff like the i9s

[C1REX]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Originally posted by C1REX:

I believe that TDP shouldn’t be used for power consumption any more as it can be super misleading.

Intel 13900k has 125W TDP
Ryzen 7700 has 65W TDP

One of the most power efficient gaming CPU on the planet: 7800x3D has 120W TDP while consuming about 50W while gaming.
It’s just difficult to cool so has higher Thermal Design Power.

Intel doesn't even use TDP anymore, it got replaced with Processor Base Power (PBP) which would be 65W, 125W, etc. and Max Boost Power (MBP) which would be where 235W+ comes into play for stuff like the i9s

AMD also uses PPT
„PPT is a measure of the total power consumption of the entire CPU package, including cores, cache, and uncore components.”
7800x3D has PPT of 162W while having some of the lowest real life power consumption. About 30-60W when gaming.