Intel Core Ultra 9 285K + Z890 Motherboard for Gaming?

[Azza ☠]

Curious to know if anyone has the latest next generation Arrow Lake CPU + Motherboard from Intel? How well does it perform for gaming purposes and compare to your previous build?

How would it compare to a Intel i9-14900K CPU + Z690 Motherboard?

I'm just interested in the amount of power usage reduced and no more hyperthreading vs performance still keeping up or better than previous generations.

Seems to be doing quite well for itself?

Ideal for laptops and AI creation, etc... but what's the desktop gaming like?

[r.linder]

They're not out yet so we don't really know for sure how they scale with current CPUs, but the power consumption has increased so I wouldn't expect all that much unless Intel suddenly improves their ability to make architectures.

More than likely if you're just gaming, just get a 7800X3D or wait for the 9800X3D, you're probably not going to get a better gaming CPU.

[Azza ☠]

r.linder님이 먼저 게시:

They're not out yet so we don't really know for sure how they scale with current CPUs, but the power consumption has increased so I wouldn't expect all that much unless Intel suddenly improves their ability to make architectures.

More than likely if you're just gaming, just get a 7800X3D or wait for the 9800X3D, you're probably not going to get a better gaming CPU.

We have a few of them available here already in New Zealand. It was mentioning there's like 3 to 5 in stock for some of them, then "Out of Stock" now or still on "Pre-order"

Yet October 26th is the actual release date for them? I was curious if some got early released

[Illusion of Progress]

Wait for formal benchmarks, as said above. Those aren't available yet. What we have now are claims, speculations, some synthetics, and more speculation. If you want that...

Intel has stated they expect it perform a bit worse ("about 5%") than the 7800X3D.

Sometimes it scores lower than the 14900K.

Efficiency should be much better. Since performance itself isn't going up all that much, if at all, this effectively means wattage needed to get the same performance should be down. Ergo, expect less power consumption compared to the 14900K.

IPC is up... but clock speed is down almost by the same amount it is up, so single threaded performance is only very slightly up. However, this doesn't translate to a gain in gaming as much (in other stuff it does), perhaps because the CPU cores are not monolithic anymore but are more like AMD's so latency might be dragging "real time" applications backwards.

Multi-core ('overall potential") performance is down due to the core count staying the same but Hyper-threading being gone.

The socket (LGA 1851) might be a single architecture. This is because the first generation that was intended for it, Meteor Lake (Core 100 series), was cancelled on the desktop and was mobile only.

That's about all we have right now, and again, real performance analysis to confirm, adjust, or deny any of this speculation will come soon.

[Rod]

Who the hell would buy one? Its 5% slower than the 7800X3D and uses more power. Intel only shaved off what 80 watts?

[_I_]

i would wait for some actual reviews

if it did increase ipc by 5% that would cover that gap

[A&A]

They surely have better core to core latency than Alder lake.

[Illusion of Progress]

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

i would wait for some actual reviews

if it did increase ipc by 5% that would cover that gap

IPC itself is up by ~9% but clock speeds are down by up to ~7%, so single core speed is only up slightly (at least when looking at the 14900K and 285K).

And this, for whatever reasons, is impacting things like synthetics that try and create a measurement for "single core speed" and other general applications, more than it is gaming performance.

But yes, wait for real reviews. We should know more soon. I'd never try and rush and buy a product a few days/week early without knowing what its performance is.

[Illusion of Progress]

A&A님이 먼저 게시:

They surely have better core to core latency than Alder lake.

"Core to core" latency is one thing, especially if you're talking about e-cores. The chips are no longer entirely monolithic though, so there can be latency added elsewhere in the process that can impact performance, depending on the workload.

We should know more soon.

[A&A]

Illusion of Progress님이 먼저 게시:

"Core to core" latency is one thing, especially if you're talking about e-cores. The chips are no longer entirely monolithic though, so there can be latency added elsewhere in the process that can impact performance, depending on the workload.

We should know more soon.

If they are the same as Meteor lake, then there will be a computing tile where all CPU cores should be, iGPU tile and I/O tile with all PCIe connections and the memory controller. I don't think the latency could be any higher.

[Illusion of Progress]

It depends on a lot of factors, much of which I am far from qualified to even to pretend to talk about, but generally, I would expect a non-monolithic CPU to have additional latency concerns.

Regardless, the speculation/leaked performance (key words) states the gains in games are apparently lower than the theoretical core performance uplifts are elsewhere (such as general applications, synthetics, etc.), so that was just the first possibility I thought of ("latency reasons?") as to why that might be so.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Some quotes from some online search results...

In terms of launch dates, Intel's Core Ultra 9 285K, along with other SKUs in the Arrow Lake lineup, are set to drop by the 24th of October, and it will indeed mark a new era of performance within the desktop CPU segment.

Intel’s Core Ultra 9 285K CPU Up To 8.5% Faster Than 14900KS At Extreme Mode, Consume Up To 364W Power


Back to my own words...

I'd strongly suggest looking at X870 Motherboards (AM5) + Ryzen 9800X3D as well.
9800X3D should be available around Nov 7-10

[r.linder]

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Some quotes from some online search results...

In terms of launch dates, Intel's Core Ultra 9 285K, along with other SKUs in the Arrow Lake lineup, are set to drop by the 24th of October, and it will indeed mark a new era of performance within the desktop CPU segment.

Intel’s Core Ultra 9 285K CPU Up To 8.5% Faster Than 14900KS At Extreme Mode, Consume Up To 364W Power


Back to my own words...

I'd strongly suggest looking at X870 Motherboards (AM5) + Ryzen 9800X3D as well.
9800X3D should be available around Nov 7-10

If that's true, then the 9800X3D is probably going to at least match the i9 as far as gaming if not smash it. Interesting how the turn tables, AMD is the gaming king, Intel just maintains versatility at a cost, though they basically abandoned HEDT. Haven't seen anything from them since the 10980XE.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

They shouldn't really need to have those anymore; AMD for example has the Ryzen 9 series which are on-par with older generations of ThreadRipper. But yea I don't know why Intel doesn't offer a consumer workstation class anymore like they had with LGA-2011 and such. It could prove useful to have and people who need, or think they need it, will gladly pay for it.

The Intel i9 and newer CPUs can probably do better of course at certain work apps and such; less time to render, compile and such compared to Ryzen. But still, for price to performance, many of the Ryzen CPUs are hard to beat for general usage and Gaming.

[smokerob79]

wont be as good as a 7800x3d in gaming.....intel already said this....just build something already......

[Bad 💀 Motha]

smokerob79님이 먼저 게시:

wont be as good as a 7800x3d in gaming.....intel already said this....just build something already......

Sounds true enough if Core Ultra 9 285K is only approx 8-8.5% above a 14th Gen i9 such as KS