Intel Core Ultra 9 285K + Z890 Motherboard for Gaming?

[Azza ☠]

Curious to know if anyone has the latest next generation Arrow Lake CPU + Motherboard from Intel? How well does it perform for gaming purposes and compare to your previous build?

How would it compare to a Intel i9-14900K CPU + Z690 Motherboard?

I'm just interested in the amount of power usage reduced and no more hyperthreading vs performance still keeping up or better than previous generations.

Seems to be doing quite well for itself?

Ideal for laptops and AI creation, etc... but what's the desktop gaming like?

[Rod]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Illusion of Progress:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rod:

Yikes, Jayztwocents and Gamers Nexus have leaked some details and covered others. The 9800X3D is the first real x3d chip the rest were beta testing. Now its redesigned, The gloves are off per say and its 500mhz faster, Can be overclocked and is new.

I find that to be an interesting take. Things get iterated on and improved upon over time. It doesn't make prior ones "beta". Even if you do see it that way, then that simply also makes today's tech "not real" and "beta" because it'll most likely be changed eventually.

The rumors from days ago (no idea if this is what you're referring to, but it probably is?) was that AMD had moved the extra cache die below the CCD instead of above the CCD to allow for better thermals and clock speeds of the cores themselves (presumably at the cost of cache thermals, which is probably the least limiting factor between the two, hence the change).

Well it was not overclockable thats a big deal and was using dummy silicone as a filler for reasons i do not remember but to me that said beta. Now it is a normal cpu and yea they moved the cache which when sat on top of the package and was a layer between the normal part we cool and the cooler. AMD claimed it was insulating the package and making the cores sensitive to heat.


And yup now AMD moved it down in the layer so i think were back to normal with the layout, And so they can now allow overclocking.

[r.linder]

Even without overclocking support, if the difference is 15~20% then that's still pretty insane considering they were only just marginally ahead of Intel in gaming performance between the 7800X3D and 14900K, with a jump like this for 9000X3D while the 285K only trails behind Raptor Lake, feels like Intel may have a really hard time recovering from everything that's been going on

[Viking2121]

All the reviews I've seen so far, I'd avoid it for a while if you can or go AMD, its slower than the 14900k and even the 13900k in a lot of gaming and even productivity stuff. Intels new stuff might be better once it matures a little, and Microsoft and other things update to help its performance.

I can't say about Overclocking on it, I've only ever watched Jayz2Cents mess with it and I can't trust what he says, especially on something so new. Hes one of them people that likes to get the "word" out as fast as he can without actually getting facts.

[Illusion of Progress]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rod:

Well it was not overclockable thats a big deal and was using dummy silicone as a filler for reasons i do not remember but to me that said beta. Now it is a normal cpu and yea they moved the cache which when sat on top of the package and was a layer between the normal part we cool and the cooler. AMD claimed it was insulating the package and making the cores sensitive to heat.

And yup now AMD moved it down in the layer so i think were back to normal with the layout, And so they can now allow overclocking.

It was not a big deal that it couldn't be overclocked because there's just not that much performance on the table anymore with most CPUs, and this certainly applies to Ryzen. That's why very few people overclock the standard Ryzens that allow it. It's almost never worth it. Now will this new one bring a lot of performance through overclocking that you'll miss out on if you don't? Maybe, we'll have to see. But if it's just outside margin of error difference at best (as it typically has been), then it's not even going to be worth it for most people considering the time and effort you need to put in, plus the fact that you'll disable the CPU's automatic boosting behavior, curves, and safety mechanisms. People have misunderstood what voltages Ryzen can tolerate (because they see the voltage peak during brief spikes and presume "oh, if it's going that high by itself it's safe" and then set that as an all core load limit) and have degraded them because of this.

The "filler" you're probably referring to was the shim that needed to be added on top of the cores because the vertically stacked cache was on top of the cache on the CCD leaving nothing on top of the cores. The shim had nothing to do with the "active" CPU itself is just something added for structural integrity, so calling something "beta" because it used something like that is strange to me. A lot of chips do such things. That filler is likely still going to be there; it's just going to be below the cores now.

I'm not sure what the "back to normal" part means. Typical CPUs aren't stacking chips yet, so this one is just as "atypical" as the ones before; it's just inverting the way the the two stacked chips are arranged to give the cores themselves more thermal headroom. This is probably what allows for its couple hundred MHz boost increase over the 7800X3D, so I'm not anticipating the overclocking to do much more than it does for standard Ryzen CPUs, but time will tell.

[A&A]

SkatterBench - Arrow Lake OCing: Memory sub-system

https://youtu.be/4ItoUhphkUU?si=wmixabofqTFcaHz7

If one of the issues is the memory latency being so high, at least it is now known with headaches to be able to match the average 14900K.