Intel Core Ultra 9 285K + Z890 Motherboard for Gaming?

[Azza ☠]

Curious to know if anyone has the latest next generation Arrow Lake CPU + Motherboard from Intel? How well does it perform for gaming purposes and compare to your previous build?

How would it compare to a Intel i9-14900K CPU + Z690 Motherboard?

I'm just interested in the amount of power usage reduced and no more hyperthreading vs performance still keeping up or better than previous generations.

Seems to be doing quite well for itself?

Ideal for laptops and AI creation, etc... but what's the desktop gaming like?

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Set-115689:

Intel might do the usual 3 gens then a board switch? Amd might be better value unfortunately?

What usual three? They've typically done two forever. Even LGA 1700 itself is basically two because the 14th generation is just a Haswell-esque refresh. they called it a new generation, but it's still Raptor Lake.

But LGA 1851 is likely to be a single generation anyway, as opposed to two (or three). The first generation that would have used the socket (Meteor lake) was cancelled on the desktop, and the thing after Arrow Lake was likely already locked in for the next socket when being developed. This is possibly going to be another LGA 1150, where if it does get a refresh, it'll be refreshes of the "same thing". Similar to how Haswell refreshed 4x50 models as 4x70s, and 4x70 models as 4x90s, the Arrow Lake refreshes might do something like 245K > 255K, 265K > 275K, and 285K > 295K. The 300 series numbers are probably already reserved for what comes after Arrow Lake. This is of course all just speculation, but we know Arrow Lake's predecessor was cancelled on the desktop. That was part of why the "refresh of a refresh" 14th generation even became a thing.

[BlueBangkok]

Originally posted by Rod:

Gamers Nexus review just confirmed what we knew. Its a whole generation about efficency. This is exactly what they needed two of them for free and getting rid of Hyperthreading and adding cache. I said if Intel could do all of this they will catch AMD and likely with the help of CHIPS Act surpass AMD.


The big problem is these two node shrinks are not free AMD are firing out the 9800X3D where really Intel just need time to freeze. How do you get the two node shrinks? You cant lol.

You have to remember that ARL-S is a new architecture (for both P and E cores), node shrink, it dropped SMT (which saves 5-10% die space), all of this together at the same time and despite all that, it comes out at performance parity at best, or regression (usually). Not only in gaming. And efficiency is still abysmal compared to AMD.

It is an absolute disaster no matter how you look at it, unless microcode / BIOS updates can give it 15%+ more performance (unlikely).

[Rod]

Originally posted by Pocahawtness:

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Curious to know if anyone has the latest next generation Arrow Lake CPU + Motherboard from Intel? How well does it perform for gaming purposes and compare to your previous build?

How would it compare to a Intel i9-14900K CPU + Z690 Motherboard?

I'm just interested in the amount of power usage reduced and no more hyperthreading vs performance still keeping up or better than previous generations.

Seems to be doing quite well for itself?

Ideal for laptops and AI creation, etc... but what's the desktop gaming like?

Well, apparently not. The reviews are very disappointing.

I was going to get a new PC this year, but now that plan is off.

I could tolerate the same performance or even slightly less than the 14 series given that they use less power, but the very poor gaming performance kills it for me.

I am not used to AMD. I have always bought and trusted intel, but it seems that it might be time to change.

You dont need to be used to it its not needing tweaking its plug n play its a cpu. The 7800x3d is the new 5800x3d its gonna hammer intels cpus for a long long time. Just get a X3D AMD chip Intel are dead for at least 3-4 years. Plus you get a nice long support life motherboard with wifi6/7 unlike Intel next year the boards useless.

[Crashed]

Now the indications are that the Arrow Lake platform is having stability issues.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Now the indications are that the Arrow Lake platform is having stability issues.

...Similar stability issues that Raptor Lake had? Or completely unrelated to voltage but rather just due to their design being flawed?

[HALO_run]

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Curious to know if anyone has the latest next generation Arrow Lake CPU + Motherboard from Intel? How well does it perform for gaming purposes and compare to your previous build?

How would it compare to a Intel i9-14900K CPU + Z690 Motherboard?

I'm just interested in the amount of power usage reduced and no more hyperthreading vs performance still keeping up or better than previous generations.

Seems to be doing quite well for itself?

Ideal for laptops and AI creation, etc... but what's the desktop gaming like?

hmm what i've seen online it'll be a bit weaker but use far less power

[Crashed]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Now the indications are that the Arrow Lake platform is having stability issues.

...Similar stability issues that Raptor Lake had? Or completely unrelated to voltage but rather just due to their design being flawed?

Could be a totally new mistake; perhaps if you want Arrow Lake you might as well wait a while for microcode fixes, or even total replacement of defective silicon.

Perhaps this could be a hint as to why they are making their new mobile Lunar Lake on TSMC inrastructure.

[BlueBangkok]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Originally posted by r.linder:

...Similar stability issues that Raptor Lake had? Or completely unrelated to voltage but rather just due to their design being flawed?

Could be a totally new mistake; perhaps if you want Arrow Lake you might as well wait a while for microcode fixes, or even total replacement of defective silicon.

Perhaps this could be a hint as to why they are making their new mobile Lunar Lake on TSMC inrastructure.

I think that MLID was talking about some Intel engineer that told him ARL stability issues are 100 percent BIOS / microcode related and not hardware related, unlike Raptor, but I might be mistaken.

[Rod]

Yikes, Jayztwocents and Gamers Nexus have leaked some details and covered others. The 9800X3D is the first real x3d chip the rest were beta testing. Now its redesigned, The gloves are off per say and its 500mhz faster, Can be overclocked and is new.


Now if you are on Intel thats going to wipe the top intel cpu by a good 15-20% lol. The gaming graphs for intel will be very very ugly... looking forward to seeing frame chasers face lmao.


The best thing is anyone can drop this in who has a X670E, Unlike Intel.

[Philco7a]

Yep also watch Jayztwocents. The P-cores can't be overclocked but the E-cores can. Microsoft would need to tweak the scheduler to really make the new Intel CPU pop. I think it's going to be a good CPU for Windows gamers. But us Linux Gamerz...meh...don't need E-cores for background AI.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Rod:

Yikes, Jayztwocents and Gamers Nexus have leaked some details and covered others. The 9800X3D is the first real x3d chip the rest were beta testing. Now its redesigned, The gloves are off per say and its 500mhz faster, Can be overclocked and is new.

I find that to be an interesting take. Things get iterated on and improved upon over time. It doesn't make prior ones "beta". Even if you do see it that way, then that simply also makes today's tech "not real" and "beta" because it'll most likely be changed eventually.

The rumors from days ago (no idea if this is what you're referring to, but it probably is?) was that AMD had moved the extra cache die below the CCD instead of above the CCD to allow for better thermals and clock speeds of the cores themselves (presumably at the cost of cache thermals, which is probably the least limiting factor between the two, hence the change).

[Skkooomer Lord]

Superior buyer IQ master race, 14600K, B760, RX 6800.


New game comes out. Maxes it out.

Excellent efficiency, emulation monster, epic multitasking and work CPU.

[Philco7a]

Originally posted by Engage901:

Superior buyer IQ master race, 14600K, B760, RX 6800.

lol
https://www.bidfta.com/390016/item-detail/30389814

USB connecter fell off the motherboard during shipping. STOLE IT.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Originally posted by Philco7a:

Originally posted by Engage901:

Superior buyer IQ master race, 14600K, B760, RX 6800.

lol
https://www.bidfta.com/390016/item-detail/30389814

IQ = intellect.


4090 users on Horizon Zero Dawn remaster crying their DLSS and drivers are borked whilst the card I bought was 220 GBP and plays the game flawless.

It is what it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UkxPkf7Yhs


Tweaked the settings since and lost no image quality, using FSR3 AA now instead of upscaling with a faster frame rate too.

Dropped the core clock to 2350 mhz where it's sweet spot is and gained another 7 FPS on top as the the card loses performance when it goes over 2400mhz.

220, vs nearly 2K.

It's insane how out of touch people have become.

[Philco7a]

I ditched the motherboard on that Corsair and game on Linux. (Corsair changed the bios motherboard name forcing you to use theirs and can't use MSI updates essentially neutering it).
My gaming FPS is 250