Is it worth upgrading Ryzen 7 5800X to 9800X3D?

[Viadric]

I believe the 9800X3D will be announced soon. Do you think it would be worth upgrading? I understand that I would need to buy a new motherboard and RAM kit. Currently, I’m running an RTX 3080 at 1440p. If I do upgrade, I plan to build a new system with a 5080 RTX and 4K monitors. However, I don't want to waste money on the CPU if it's not necessary. I definitely want to get the 4K monitors with the 4080, though.

[Illusion of Progress]

Worth is subjective, but even if the 9800X3D is only the rather muted uplift over the 7800X3D, then that would still be a big uplift on the CPU side over what you have now.

On the other hand, you'll probably want more than the 5080 if you're serious about 4K, especially with the way games are going, and even more especially if the rumors about Blackwell are correct (the RTX 5080 is rumored to be half the product that the RTX 5090 is). Problem with that one is cost, on top of making it more worthwhile to want to change the CPU here as well.

[r.linder]

You only need to upgrade from your current CPU if you're planning on going with the latest high end video cards and looking to maximise your performance, otherwise the 5800X will be fine for easily another 5+ years

[Tonepoet]

We don't know the price or the performance of these parts will be like so answering this question is rather quite impossible. Arrow Lake and Zen 5 shaped up to be disappointments for the average player in terms of generational uplift (at least in terms of stock perf.) though because everybody's focusing on A.I. uplift, A.M.D. just released the 5800xt recently, which is basically just a 5800x, just with slightly better clockspeed (+200 megahertz turbo, +400 megahertz base clock) and a wraith prism cooler instead of a wraith spire.

I've heard speculation 9800x3D might cost $100 more M.S.R.P. with something like a 9% uplift over its predecessor though, so it seems to me as if it wouldn't be worthwhile if you hadn't already pulled the trigger on the 7800x3D when it was price reduced $360 earlier this year though. If the 9800x3D is priced at $500, I don't expect the 7800x3D to come down from $420 as a result.

The only upcoming game I really have to use as a perf. threshold for future requirements so far is Monster Hunter Wilds[www.systemrequirementslab.com], and the situation with that game is such that the 5800x exceeds the recommended requirements still. Granted, Capcom is crazy enough that they're requesting frame generation for recommended requirements

Crazily enough the 12900k was on sale at Best Buy for just $120 just yesterday[pcpartpicker.com], which is obviously an all time low and a great bargain, but they're all sold out right now. Kinda feel bummed I missed out on that but if that's indicative of how desperate retailers will get to clear out their L.G.A. 1700 stock to make way for generation 1 Core Ultra chips this black friday, I'd be looking to L.G.A. 1700 chips to be the best value on the market pretty soon.

Depending on how steep the discounts may be, it may even be worth putting up with the pariah status 14th gen raptor lake chips since we should have the 0x12B microcode update[www.theverge.com] (addresses idling voltage spikes), and I think the 14th gen chips are less likely to be affected by the oxidation issue and those extended warranties Intel promised.

Otherwise, speculatively speaking I'd suppose 7800x3D prices might come back down to where they were during the upcoming holiday clearance sales and it might be worth picking that up then.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You'd have to get new Motherboard and DDR5 RAM. The 7800X3D is a very good step up though. X870 boards are quite nice and offer plenty of PCIE 5.0 and 4.0 M2 slots

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

All we have currently is AMD`s marketing talk about 9800X3D going to be the best gaming CPU you can get your hands on. Then again even 7800X3D would already be quite a big upgrade for your current one so probably can`t go much wrong with 9800X3D.
Maybe just best to wait until it`s actually out and has some impartial reviews.

[THE LORD]

MSI claimed 11% increase in performance over the 7800X3D in certain games. But I'm sceptical. Seems too good to be true. Inter-generation CPU rarely ever offers so much increase in performance whether it's AMD or intel.

[r.linder]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από THE LORD:

MSI claimed 11% increase in performance over the 7800X3D in certain games. But I'm sceptical. Seems too good to be true. Inter-generation CPU rarely ever offers so much increase in performance whether it's AMD or intel.

AMD has been making similar strides per generation for years

Zen was comparable to Haswell, Zen+ was comparable to Skylake, Zen2 was comparable to Coffee Lake, Zen3 was beating LGA1200 but had a slow start due to the pandemic causing shortages

The actual increases in IPC per generation for Zen was 8% for Zen+, then 12% for Zen2, somewhere around another 12 to 15% for Zen3

Only took AMD 3 years to go from barely trailing Intel to beating them in performance per dollar and per watt, and stealing their market share, and even now Intel has yet to fully recover from that

[Illusion of Progress]

How is that too good to be true?

Zen 2 to Zen 3 was larger than that.

Zen 3 to Zen 3 X3D was larger than that.

Zen 3 to Zen 4, or Zen 3 X3D to Zen 4 X3D was larger than that.

I'm pretty sure most of them averaged towards 15% give or take (some less, some more), or up to 20%+ for the X3Ds over their non-X3D counterparts.

If 11% seems high, it's only because Zen 4 to Zen 5 was already shown to be a more muted uplift (so the same might more or less be expected for the X3D, but time will tell), not because it's never happened. To the contrary, more than that has been happening as the standard for a while now. Though it does seem to be slowing.

Now maybe Intel's gen-to-gen uplifts have been lower, but they also already started at a higher performance point, and even for them, 10% was by no means "too good to be true". I'm pretty sure even in their "poor uplift" days they were around that? Or not far off.

[skOsH♥]

The 9800x3D specs were leaked, it's going to probably be the most powerful gaming cpu out there for a bit, with the 9850x3D being mostly unnecessary for gamers, the 9800x3D is the perfect compromise

I also agree, that if you go 4k, you'll probably want an rtx 5090 or an 8000 series amd card.

We don't know if the 8000 series amd cards will be on par with an rtx5090, you might be able to save some money and get the same or similar performance. There won't be an xtx tier for 8000 series though, so I would wait to see the scores.

[r.linder]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από skOsH:

The 9800x3D specs were leaked, it's going to probably be the most powerful gaming cpu out there for a bit, with the 9850x3D being mostly unnecessary for gamers, the 9800x3D is the perfect compromise

I also agree, that if you go 4k, you'll probably want an rtx 5090 or an 8000 series amd card.

We don't know if the 8000 series amd cards will be on par with an rtx5090, you might be able to save some money and get the same or similar performance. There won't be an xtx tier for 8000 series though, so I would wait to see the scores.

AMD has already stated that it isn't going to be competing with nVidia's flagships with the next generation, they're only releasing 4 cards and focusing more on the mid range. The reason is because they're focusing on the more affordable sectors of the market and trying to get sales there, as they can't beat nVidia in a head-to-head war of raw performance.

https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/amds-next-gen-radeon-rx-8000-graphics-card-lineup-expected-to-feature-at-least-four-new-gpus-but-theres-some-bad-news-for-hardcore-pc-gamers

They probably won't be returning to the high end until either this plan has failed, or they've focused enough into development that they're able to actually compete with nVidia's best.

[skOsH♥]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από r.linder:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από skOsH:

The 9800x3D specs were leaked, it's going to probably be the most powerful gaming cpu out there for a bit, with the 9850x3D being mostly unnecessary for gamers, the 9800x3D is the perfect compromise

I also agree, that if you go 4k, you'll probably want an rtx 5090 or an 8000 series amd card.

We don't know if the 8000 series amd cards will be on par with an rtx5090, you might be able to save some money and get the same or similar performance. There won't be an xtx tier for 8000 series though, so I would wait to see the scores.

AMD has already stated that it isn't going to be competing with nVidia's flagships with the next generation, they're only releasing 4 cards and focusing more on the mid range. The reason is because they're focusing on the more affordable sectors of the market and trying to get sales there, as they can't beat nVidia in a head-to-head war of raw performance.

https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/amds-next-gen-radeon-rx-8000-graphics-card-lineup-expected-to-feature-at-least-four-new-gpus-but-theres-some-bad-news-for-hardcore-pc-gamers

They probably won't be returning to the high end until either this plan has failed, or they've focused enough into development that they're able to actually compete with nVidia's best.

Ah, I wasn't sure the exact reasons behind it.

Good news for myself at least as I typically wait a few gens between gpu upgrades

I'm surprised they couldn't get their 8000 series to be on par with the rtx 5000 series...at least...one would think a couple of them could be competitively priced and be roughly the same. The 7900xtx was just about the same as a rtx 4080 for cyberpunk 2077 with the same cpu

Real shame they aren't ready to push their next highest end cards yet. They must be cooking something for the following gen or something

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well cause AMD finally understands its pointless to try and compete with NVIDIA flash ships. At least with consideration towards GPUs like 4090 and 5090. That focus is better spent on making a better APU for Consoles and Laptops

But their CPU game is strong.

I'll be doing Ryzen + NVIDIA for a long time. Like I've already been doing.

[skOsH♥]

I hope they're not flat out giving up on an enthusiast / top tier card in future generations entirely, I do enjoy my 7900xtx. I like nvidia too, but getting more and more into Linux for a daily driver os, and seems like some distros are optimized really well for amd over nvidia. Last card I had was a 2700 super or something? It didn't want to cooperate with Linux, but I didn't try a whole lot of distros. Also just wanted something that would consume slightly less power. Not by much, but I'm not running any super detailed games any time soon.

[r.linder]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από skOsH:

I hope they're not flat out giving up on an enthusiast / top tier card in future generations entirely, I do enjoy my 7900xtx. I like nvidia too, but getting more and more into Linux for a daily driver os, and seems like some distros are optimized really well for amd over nvidia. Last card I had was a 2700 super or something? It didn't want to cooperate with Linux, but I didn't try a whole lot of distros. Also just wanted something that would consume slightly less power. Not by much, but I'm not running any super detailed games any time soon.

The only issue there really is depends on the distro, many distros don't include nVidia drivers and kernel modules at installation.

Other than that, it's fine, I don't have any AMD GPUs but use Linux and don't see a valid reason to switch.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από skOsH:

I hope they're not flat out giving up on an enthusiast / top tier card in future generations entirely,

No one said they were, but we surely won't see something from AMD that can go toe to toe with, or beat the RTX 5080 / 5090; that's for sure.