Gordon 19. okt. 2024 kl. 4:43
GTX 1650 Or RX 580 for games?
In a few days I will have my first gaming PC, but the cheapest and best parts I have found for initial use would be these two GPUs... however, I am very undecided about which one to choose. Because both seem to have interesting performance in games for a first computer, and watching many videos they have differences... whether in performance or VRAM. Does anyone who understands computers know which is the best one to have? I would only play singleplayer games more often.
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get urself a nice 4:3 crt monitor for nostalgia too
i miss my NEC multisync 3v monitor
Xuild 19. okt. 2024 kl. 23:50 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Walter Branco:
In a few days I will have my first gaming PC, but the cheapest and best parts I have found for initial use would be these two GPUs... however, I am very undecided about which one to choose. Because both seem to have interesting performance in games for a first computer, and watching many videos they have differences... whether in performance or VRAM. Does anyone who understands computers know which is the best one to have? I would only play singleplayer games more often.
get an rtx 3060 please trust me, gtx cards are terrible coming from a person that uses a gtx

it'll work for games but you'll be upset that it wont run well on 99% of monitors and it'll be completely outdated within a few months
Karumati 19. okt. 2024 kl. 23:51 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:
Oprindeligt skrevet af r.linder:
Being humble has nothing to do with it, some people just don't want to be confined to lower settings, nothing wrong with that

Definitely doesn't sound humble to me when people suggest otherwise, it sounds like people with lower end hardware are just trying to cope with their loss of not being able to raise their settings by acting superior and calling it "being humble" because it's lame to go for higher settings or something
being humble means not needing the most expensive high tier items :)
3060 is not expensive tho, it’s about 200£ used on ebay
r.linder 20. okt. 2024 kl. 0:48 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:
Oprindeligt skrevet af r.linder:
Being humble has nothing to do with it, some people just don't want to be confined to lower settings, nothing wrong with that

Definitely doesn't sound humble to me when people suggest otherwise, it sounds like people with lower end hardware are just trying to cope with their loss of not being able to raise their settings by acting superior and calling it "being humble" because it's lame to go for higher settings or something
being humble means not needing the most expensive high tier items :)
That's not what humble means, has nothing to do with what GPU you're buying or not buying.

It's pretty pretentious to call yourself humble as well just because you haven't upgraded your GPU yet.
Sidst redigeret af r.linder; 20. okt. 2024 kl. 0:49
Oprindeligt skrevet af Karumati:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:
being humble means not needing the most expensive high tier items :)
3060 is not expensive tho, it’s about 200£ used on ebay
why would i upgrade when my 580 is running strong

my next upgrade will be cpu since the fx 8350 is getting old
Oprindeligt skrevet af r.linder:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:
being humble means not needing the most expensive high tier items :)
That's not what humble means, has nothing to do with what GPU you're buying or not buying.
yes it does being humble is not having the latest tech and making do with what you got
once i start my job i will get a car (monthly payment) and a cpu/mobo/ ram upgrade and keep my 580
UserNotFound 20. okt. 2024 kl. 0:53 
Strictly between the two OP had listed, the RX 580 is clearly the faster card, with more VRAM to boot. But it does come at a price, that it's the more power hungry between the two.
Tonepoet 20. okt. 2024 kl. 1:52 
I agree with Illusion of Progress on this one.

Insofar as I can tell, watching direct head to head comparisons, the RX 580 is basically stronger than the 1650 in nearly every games, even if you're just looking at a 4 gigabyte 580 as the basis of comparison to control for V.R.A.M. The fact that the RX 580 also comes in an 8 gigabyte configuration, with double the V.R.A.M. of the GTX 1650 is just icing on the cake.

You'd definitely want to get the 8 gigabyte RX 580 too. More V.R.A.M. buffer means less data transfers to the R.A.M. and/or disc, meaning you won't take perf. hits as often and will experience less hitching. We're getting to the point where people are saying 8 gigs. is just scarcely enough for 1080p anymore, so you really don't want to be stuck with just 4.

The main reasons you'd really consider the GTX 1650 is because for one thing, it's a newer card with mesh shader support which can be important for the very newest games like Alan Wake Ⅱ. However, I haven't seen the GTX 1650 or the RX 580 tested in Alan Wake Ⅱ, and possibly for good reason: The game lists stronger cards in the minimum requirements. Wants at least a GTX 1070 or an RX 5600, which basically renders this point moot.

The other is because the GTX 1650 is more energy efficient. With a 75 watt T.D.P., you can work a GTX 1650 into power constrained systems and have lower operational costs over time than the 185 watt T.D.P. RX 580.

A few months ago I did a power consumption comparison between the RX 580 and the 6500 XT though, and estimated that it'd take you at least 3 years to break even on the cost of electrical consumption and the price differential between the two.

Granted, that means that if you use your RX 580 for three years that you'll have been overall better off with a 6500 xt in the first place, since the 6500 xt is the stronger card between itself and the RX 580, and if you use the RX 6500 for even longer, you'll be saving money on total costs. However, that's also money you're paying off over time on your electric bill rather than all up front. However, if you're really worried about electrical consumption on a brand new system, you'd probably be better off building an 8600g based system using the integrated graphics.


Oprindeligt skrevet af Walter Branco:
Yeah... unfortunately I'm on a bit of a budget. However, I did some research and even though the CPU is quite old, it seems to perform well in more modern games with the RX 580... but I think I'll follow your advice.

Anyway, thanks a lot for the information.:boomer:

An i7 2600k isnt a chip worth buying for use with modern games in modern systems. Even a relatively low spec. game like Baldur's Gate 3 lists the 4690k as its minimum requirement, and that's with a weaker card like the RX 470. A 2600k is probably going to bottleneck an RX 580 or a GTX 1650. You might be able to push Palworld, which lists an i5 3570k as minimum spec, since even though the 2600 is an older chip, it's a higher tier chip too, which may just make up for it, but I'm kind of doubtful. Minimum spec. is generally targeting 1080p, 30 F.P.S., lowest settings too, so we're just talking about what's barely acceptable.

Also, when you look at games that actually list something akin to an RX 580 in their system requirements you see it listed with stronger C.P.Us. than a 2600. Street Fighter 6 for example lists an i5 7500.. Way newer and stronger processor.

You're strongly preferring i5 8000 or newer chips since those are on the Windows 11 supported list but that wouldn't matter if you're willing to put up with linux, so we might be willing to compromise with something older contingent on price.

What's your budget anyway?
Oprindeligt skrevet af UserNotFound:
Strictly between the two OP had listed, the RX 580 is clearly the faster card, with more VRAM to boot. But it does come at a price, that it's the more power hungry between the two.
yep i see no reason to upgrade it, it is indeed pretty strong
Karumati 20. okt. 2024 kl. 2:20 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Karumati:
3060 is not expensive tho, it’s about 200£ used on ebay
why would i upgrade when my 580 is running strong

my next upgrade will be cpu since the fx 8350 is getting old
Fx got old ages ago. Ryzen is far superior in both gaming and productivity.
Oprindeligt skrevet af Karumati:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:
why would i upgrade when my 580 is running strong

my next upgrade will be cpu since the fx 8350 is getting old
Fx got old ages ago. Ryzen is far superior in both gaming and productivity.
yep thats why im upgrading it once i get my job next month :P
Karumati 20. okt. 2024 kl. 2:44 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Karumati:
Fx got old ages ago. Ryzen is far superior in both gaming and productivity.
yep thats why im upgrading it once i get my job next month :P
Just don’t take old ryzens.
Look at 5000 and above.
Oprindeligt skrevet af Karumati:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}:
yep thats why im upgrading it once i get my job next month :P
Just don’t take old ryzens.
Look at 5000 and above.
nah not spending too much just spending $50 on it :P
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