GTX 1650 Or RX 580 for games?

[Gordon]

In a few days I will have my first gaming PC, but the cheapest and best parts I have found for initial use would be these two GPUs... however, I am very undecided about which one to choose. Because both seem to have interesting performance in games for a first computer, and watching many videos they have differences... whether in performance or VRAM. Does anyone who understands computers know which is the best one to have? I would only play singleplayer games more often.

[Gordon]

Miki mac fiddlement の投稿を引用：

Walter Branco の投稿を引用：

Well, the CPU is an I7 3770, and since I live in a country where the RX 580 is the price of a current GPU, should I save up more money to get better cards, like a GTX 1660 Super or RX 6600? November seems to have a lot of sales. Now, about playing more current games like Alan Wake 2, they're not that relevant to me... I kind of have a whole wishlist of games that run with both cards I mentioned in the title, but I'm just undecided about which one to get to see for the first time, you know? Do you have any recommendations for a good computer with cost-benefit specifications? That isn't too expensive?

Is the gtx 1650 also priced like current gpu, if not then I guess gtx 1650 is a solid option, but I do have tell you that this cpu is really old, are you building the pc or is it a used prebuilt?

If you are planning on getting the parts and building it then getting a recent cpu is really important, like the intel i3 12100f or ryzen 5 5500

The PC is ready to use, the store itself builds it and sends it to me. Therefore, the price is cheaper than choosing it piece by piece, that is, I would choose to get the PC ready and modify it later, saving up to buy a new CPU. And the i3 12100f was exactly what I was choosing to get soon.

Edit: I forgot to mention, but the RX 580 also comes pre-built for use, so it's a different CPU. With I7 2600, which can also be modified

[Gordon]

r.linder の投稿を引用：

Walter Branco の投稿を引用：

In a few days I will have my first gaming PC, but the cheapest and best parts I have found for initial use would be these two GPUs... however, I am very undecided about which one to choose. Because both seem to have interesting performance in games for a first computer, and watching many videos they have differences... whether in performance or VRAM. Does anyone who understands computers know which is the best one to have? I would only play singleplayer games more often.

On a tight budget, the RX 580 is much better than a GTX 1650, there's no competition. Much better performance and you have the option of 8GB VRAM instead of just 4GB.

GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™ の投稿を引用：

The GTX 1650 has mesh shader support. The GTX 1650 is still supported with new drivers.

The 580 has more brute force and more vram. It also lacks driver support. It doesn't support meshes.

Not true, the RX 580 is still supported, it just doesn't get as many frequent updates as it used to, only the stable driver updates.

Mesh shaders are moot as they're not often used. AMD also uses different mesh shaders from what nVidia uses.

I really like AMD because of the performance of their CPUs. My notebook already comes with Radeon graphics and runs most lower resolution games with high graphics. But not all of them, of course, but I saw tests of the RX 580 in Silent Hill 2 remake in FSR mode on epic graphics running at 40 to 50 fps... which is bizarre for a 2017 GPU... while the 1650 runs with lower performance. However, I have never in my life had anything from Nvidia before and I remember that years ago I wanted to have a 1650 to play... the fear I have of the RX 580 is the high performance, because it might heat up the computer too much or overheat something... I can't say for sure.

[Gordon]

oligopolycorp の投稿を引用：

Again, AMD just released a new driver update a few days ago for rx570 so that includes the rx580.So it still has support. Is Alan wake 2 even playable with a 1660? That game has high requirements besides the mesh shaders.And I can't think of any other games that require them. Are mesh shaders part of ray tracing?
OP: yes if you have the money it would be good if you updated.We don't know where you are and how much you want to spend.Also depends if you want to play newer games eventually or not.

Honestly, most of my focus on games are those that were released years ago, such as Red Dead 2, RE 4 remake, Elden Ring, STF 6 and others. Including indie games. Games that are poorly optimized and depend on high-performance GPUs, I don't have much interest in getting or want to play like Warzone, TLOU or Alan Wake 2. The only one that I've seen tested and seems to have good results is Black Myth Wukong and it's one of those that is on my wishlist.

[r.linder]

Walter Branco の投稿を引用：

r.linder の投稿を引用：

On a tight budget, the RX 580 is much better than a GTX 1650, there's no competition. Much better performance and you have the option of 8GB VRAM instead of just 4GB.



Not true, the RX 580 is still supported, it just doesn't get as many frequent updates as it used to, only the stable driver updates.

Mesh shaders are moot as they're not often used. AMD also uses different mesh shaders from what nVidia uses.

I really like AMD because of the performance of their CPUs. My notebook already comes with Radeon graphics and runs most lower resolution games with high graphics. But not all of them, of course, but I saw tests of the RX 580 in Silent Hill 2 remake in FSR mode on epic graphics running at 40 to 50 fps... which is bizarre for a 2017 GPU... while the 1650 runs with lower performance. However, I have never in my life had anything from Nvidia before and I remember that years ago I wanted to have a 1650 to play... the fear I have of the RX 580 is the high performance, because it might heat up the computer too much or overheat something... I can't say for sure.

It's easy to prevent overheating, just need a good case with enough airflow

[Chaosolous]

I always lean Nvidia.

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

Karumati の投稿を引用：

Unless you are planning to play old games you better off looking towards 3060 instead.

why old games? my 580 runs new games just fine, rdr2, cyberpunk, etc

[Illusion of Progress]

The RX 580 is better than a GTX 1650 in nearly every way besides using more power and lacking mesh shader capability (the number of games this matters in are small, though growing, but most of them won't perform great on a GTX 1650 anyway). The tradeoff is it performs about a third faster and has at least as much, if not twice as much, VRAM.

It's not even a question; the RX 580 is better,

This part, however...

Walter Branco の投稿を引用：

Edit: I forgot to mention, but the RX 580 also comes pre-built for use, so it's a different CPU. With I7 2600, which can also be modified

...does raise questions.

Why are you looking at such old PCs? I'm going to guess the most apparent answer is that you have a very low budget, but in that case, I'd recommend saving more. PCs with 14 year old (!) platforms and on the cusp of beginning to lose support (Windows 11 doesn't support them and Windows 10 loses support next year) just aren't worth buying.

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

ye my budget is low thats why i got used dell optiplex with i5 3470 off ebay for $50 and plopped a GT 730 in it

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

i got a 500w psu for the used dell but case is too small for my gtx 1060 (i need to somehow bend or remove the hdd casing out of it so the gpu will fit)

[Gordon]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

The RX 580 is better than a GTX 1650 in nearly every way besides using more power and lacking mesh shader capability (the number of games this matters in are small, though growing, but most of them won't perform great on a GTX 1650 anyway). The tradeoff is it performs about a third faster and has at least as much, if not twice as much, VRAM.

It's not even a question; the RX 580 is better,

This part, however...

Walter Branco の投稿を引用：

Edit: I forgot to mention, but the RX 580 also comes pre-built for use, so it's a different CPU. With I7 2600, which can also be modified

...does raise questions.

Why are you looking at such old PCs? I'm going to guess the most apparent answer is that you have a very low budget, but in that case, I'd recommend saving more. PCs with 14 year old (!) platforms and on the cusp of beginning to lose support (Windows 11 doesn't support them and Windows 10 loses support next year) just aren't worth buying.

Yeah... unfortunately I'm on a bit of a budget. However, I did some research and even though the CPU is quite old, it seems to perform well in more modern games with the RX 580... but I think I'll follow your advice.

Anyway, thanks a lot for the information.

[Karumati]

Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用：

Karumati の投稿を引用：

Unless you are planning to play old games you better off looking towards 3060 instead.

why old games? my 580 runs new games just fine, rdr2, cyberpunk, etc

Just fine has different meaning to everyone.

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

Karumati の投稿を引用：

Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用：

why old games? my 580 runs new games just fine, rdr2, cyberpunk, etc

Just fine has different meaning to everyone.

sadly yes, if only everyone was to be humble

[r.linder]

Being humble has nothing to do with it, some people just don't want to be confined to lower settings, nothing wrong with that

Definitely doesn't sound humble to me when people suggest otherwise, it sounds like people with lower end hardware are just trying to cope with their loss of not being able to raise their settings by acting superior and calling it "being humble" because it's lame to go for higher settings or something

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

r.linder の投稿を引用：

Being humble has nothing to do with it, some people just don't want to be confined to lower settings, nothing wrong with that

Definitely doesn't sound humble to me when people suggest otherwise, it sounds like people with lower end hardware are just trying to cope with their loss of not being able to raise their settings by acting superior and calling it "being humble" because it's lame to go for higher settings or something

being humble means not needing the most expensive high tier items :)

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

dont need to play at high settings, most folk are comfortable at low settings at 640 x 480 like the ole days