Ocelote.12 Nov 3, 2024 @ 9:16am
Max graphics card for Intel Core i5-3570K ?
What card from GeForce RTX 40xx family should I buy that will not be bottlenecked by this CPU? Or maybe some Radeon?

OS is Windows 11 (using unofficial patch for older CPUs without TPM 2.0), RAM is 16 Gb. Current graphics card is GeForce GTX 1060 3Gb.

Please don't advise me to upgrade the CPU+Mobo+RAM -- I'll do it probably in the first half of 2025.
Last edited by Ocelote.12; Nov 3, 2024 @ 9:54am
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_I_ Nov 4, 2024 @ 1:29pm 
or the system was bogged down by many tasks
3770k is around 20% faster in than 3570k multithread
https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/583/Intel_Core_i5_i5-3570K_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-3770K.html

about another 10% overall
Just buy the best graphics card you can afford if you're going to replace the 14 year old platform next year (it really needs it). There's no reason to, after you upgrade the platform, be on a graphics card that you held back on. None at all.

It doesn't matter if the weak CPU you have now vastly slows it down in the meantime. That doesn't hurt anything.

Now if you're asking this because you're actually not sure if/when you'll upgrade the platform, I suggest forgetting the graphics card entirely and prioritizing it the other way. In a year, Windows 10 loses support, and anything pre-8th generation is not supported by Windows 11. So unless you want to deal with an unsupported OS (meaning running Windows 10 out of support, or running Windows 11 in an unofficial fashion), or pay for upgrades for Windows 10 each year, I suggest spending your money in a more worthwhile way and getting something from this decade, rather than something in the middle of a decade and two old.

Yes, the GTX 1060 (especially the 3 GB part) is a bit limiting for newer stuff, but the platform is just as much, if not more so. It needs changed first, so if you're not even sure you'll do it in half a year, skip the graphics card and focus on that. Any reasonable graphics card upgrade from that is going to cost close to as much as a budhet platform (motherboard + CPU + RAM) anyway, so if you can afford one, you can at least save for, if not affor outright, the other.
Originally posted by Andrius227:
Originally posted by _I_:
3340 was 3.1-3.3ghz, going to 3.9 is a huge jump, almost 20%

20% is nothing. That pc went from struggling to browse the internet to running games perfectly. It's not because of clock speeds but because of double threads.
The internet doesn't go from struggling on four cores (that's a new one) to not struggling on the same four cores with hyper-threading. There was some other variable(s) at play.
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Jayhova Nov 4, 2024 @ 6:34pm 
Are you in the United States?

Why don't you look into buying a used motherboard/ram/cpu combo? You can get pretty good deals on stuff that's like 3-4 years old. Your CPU is over 12 years old. It's ancient.

I'm planning on selling my old AMD R5 3600 + CPU Cooler + B450 Motherboard + 32GB of DDR4 for $100. If you pair that with like an RTX 3070 that would make for a pretty decent gaming PC.
[☥] - CJ - Nov 4, 2024 @ 6:41pm 
Originally posted by Capt Spack Jarrow:
GTX 1070 max.

This or something similar for something more recent

As someone that upgraded from a 2500k to a 3770k a few months ago youd be surprised how helpful Hyperthreading can actually be when youve never had it before, i also happen to use a 1070.
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Bad 💀 Motha Nov 4, 2024 @ 6:58pm 
Best bet would probably a clean install of Win7 SP1 64bit or Win10 22H2 on that PC and leave the GTX 1060 in there and save up towards an entirely new modern PC build. Not worth upgrading that old PC at all. Aside from maybe drives if those are dated and getting filled up; especially if that PC lacks a least an SSD for the OS + Apps.
Xuild Nov 4, 2024 @ 8:59pm 
get a 2nd hand 1660, as much as i hate 1660's for being underpowered, if you are using an i5 it should be good for what you are running
Ocelote.12 Nov 5, 2024 @ 3:50am 
Thanks to all who answered.

So I'll wait for a full upgrade, okay.
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smokerob79 Nov 5, 2024 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by Ocelote.12:
Thanks to all who answered.

So I'll wait for a full upgrade, okay.


smart move....what you have is so behind what is out there a 5600 none X AMD CPU would be such a massive upgrade.....if you want to work on building a cheap replacement we could start there....

man they already sold out of them.....Newegg had great black friday deals with things like a 5600x with a free 16gb memory kit for 140.....220 would have gotten you CPU memory and motherboard upgrades......
Jamebonds1 Nov 9, 2024 @ 12:40pm 
RTX 4XXX will bottleneck your PC until you get a new motherboard kit. So, I think RTX 4060 is good for future built, or may wait for RTX 5060.
Tomi Montana Nov 9, 2024 @ 1:03pm 
Originally posted by Andrius227:
Originally posted by _I_:
3340 was 3.1-3.3ghz, going to 3.9 is a huge jump, almost 20%

20% is nothing. That pc went from struggling to browse the internet to running games perfectly. It's not because of clock speeds but because of double threads.
It must have had a lot of stuff running in the background then.
Plenty of people still running quad cores.
They are atill more than good enough for browsing the internet.
Tonepoet Nov 9, 2024 @ 2:45pm 
I can only think of a select few recent games where a 3570 even meets minimum spec. One of those games is Palworld, but the minimum spec. for Palworld is an i5 3570 paired with GTX 1050. Not even 1050 ti.

Another one of those games is Final Fantasy Ⅶ Remake Integrade where minimum spec. is i5 3330 with an RX480, but that's an even weaker processor and my understanding the RX 480 likely isn't going to be much stronger than the GTX 1060 3 gig. Recommended spec. for Final Fantasy Ⅶ Remake Integrade is more along the lines of a 3770 with a GTX 1080 or an RX 5700.

In terms of modern G.P.Us. with modern features the closest equivalent to either of those is an Arc A750, but despite being a 16 lane card Arc would take a significant perf. hit due to the lack of resizable bar (intel) or smart access memory (A.M.D.) An Arc card will work on older systems without those features mind you, but just not to its fullest capacity.

In terms of keeping your build balanced, I'd imagine you're pretty much where you are already need to be at with your current C.P.U. Most games still even list the GTX 1060 as the minimum requirement, and relatively few dip minimums as low down as third gen i5. You're more likely to see a 4th gen. i5 listed as the minimum requirement. 4670 or 4690.

Diablo Ⅶ recommended settings are a 4670k (stronger than your processor) with a GTX 970, which is approximately where the GTX 1060 is at anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if the GTX 1060 is already bottlenecked by the 3570k, so I don't think you're getting anything better on your current computer without creating a bottleneck unless you at least invest the scant little money a used 3770k might cost, and even that will only get you so far. It might just be strong enough to match the 4690k listed in some games' minimum requirements.

Plus even the 4690k is on the lower end of the spectrum of C.P.Us. you might match with a GTX 1060 based on listed system requirements. 1060 is also often paired with 6600k or 6700k. Street Fighter 6 lists an i5 7500f with a GTX 1060 6 gig. as minimum reqs.

Simply put, I think you're already where you need to be at. Besides, insofar as bottlenecks go, I think you're putting the cart before the horse here. It makes more sense to balance your next G.P.U. around your next C.P.U. than your current one.
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Andrius227 Nov 10, 2024 @ 12:41am 
Originally posted by Tomi Montana:
Originally posted by Andrius227:

20% is nothing. That pc went from struggling to browse the internet to running games perfectly. It's not because of clock speeds but because of double threads.
It must have had a lot of stuff running in the background then.
Plenty of people still running quad cores.
They are atill more than good enough for browsing the internet.

Quadcore with hyperthreading is basically an octacore and that is very important, at least in games that can use all the cores, which are most games these days.

Pretty sure there are games that work just fine on quadcores with hyperthreading, but dont even boot on quadcores without hyperthreading.
Last edited by Andrius227; Nov 10, 2024 @ 12:45am
Originally posted by Andrius227:
Quadcore with hyperthreading is basically an octacore
It is not "basically an octo core". AMD had "modules" that were closer to extra real cores than SMT/Hyper-threading are, and they still lost the case on those being real cores because they lacked too many execution resources to consider them as such.

What SMT methods (which is what Hyper-threading is) do is split execution resources of a physical processor core between multiple logical processors. To my understanding, a single thread exclusively running on a core can result in a lot of "idle" time in the pipeline, which represents extra potential performance, and so the purpose of SMT methods is to try and take advantage of that, but you're still not gaining additional full core resources, so the gain is nowhere near as many cores as there are threads.

A 4/8 CPU can be slower than a 6/6 CPU, so saying it's "basically an octo core" is being generous. Especially when you realize the vast majority of modern octo cores will also have SMT methods.
Originally posted by Andrius227:
Pretty sure there are games that work just fine on quadcores with hyperthreading, but dont even boot on quadcores without hyperthreading.
That sounds like you're not familiar with any? I'm not familiar with any games refusing to start if there's a lack of cores/threads either. This isn't to say there are none, but it would be extremely uncommon (especially outside intentionally trying to run a game on something well below minimum requirements). What I am familiar with is games that have less performance if cores/threads are in short supply though, and that is the more likely result when trying that.

4 cores/8 threads is below desirable if you want to ensure you'll have the fewest scenarios where you have to worry about core/thread resources. If not for that alone, then also for the fact that many of those quad cores are also slow in per core performance too, so both factors are limiting them in the heavier titles. They're fine on older games, or lighter newer games, but they're no longer what is desirable. The "minimum ideal" is basically recent-ish hex cores now (I'd personally put this around Zen 2 or Comet Lake, or newer), and octo cores are the sweet spot but often unecessary. Quad cores still actually work a lot of the time (with or without Hyper-threading), though with reduced results in many newer, heavier games.
Last edited by Illusion of Progress; Nov 10, 2024 @ 5:17am
Snow Nov 10, 2024 @ 5:47am 
Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:
It is not "basically an octo core". AMD had "modules" that were closer to extra real cores than SMT/Hyper-threading are, and they still lost the case on those being real cores because they lacked too many execution resources to consider them as such.
This is false information. AMD never lost the case, AMD settled, because it was easier, faster, and cheaper to just pay, than to educate countless people on how CPUs work. The number or even the presence of FPUs doesn't define a CPU core, because there is no single definition of a CPU core, and can't be due to how different they are on different architectures. Back in the day CPUs didn't have FPUs at all, yet no one called them "coreless". If AMD wants to call FX-8350 an octa-core based on number of integer clusters, they have all the right to do so; yours, mine, or Intel's definition of a core doesn't mean anything in this case, so we are free to agree or disagree, but only AMD has the right to define FX-8350 as an octa-core (like they still do on their website), and respectable sources will follow that definition (like TechPowerUp does).
Originally posted by Snow:
Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:
It is not "basically an octo core". AMD had "modules" that were closer to extra real cores than SMT/Hyper-threading are, and they still lost the case on those being real cores because they lacked too many execution resources to consider them as such.
This is false information. AMD never lost the case, AMD settled, because it was easier, faster, and cheaper to just pay, than to educate countless people on how CPUs work. The number or even the presence of FPUs doesn't define a CPU core, because there is no single definition of a CPU core, and can't be due to how different they are on different architectures. Back in the day CPUs didn't have FPUs at all, yet no one called them "coreless". If AMD wants to call FX-8350 an octa-core based on number of integer clusters, they have all the right to do so; yours, mine, or Intel's definition of a core doesn't mean anything in this case, so we are free to agree or disagree, but only AMD has the right to define FX-8350 as an octa-core (like they still do on their website), and respectable sources will follow that definition (like TechPowerUp does).
Fair enough that perhaps I could have worded it better than "lost the case". The point I was getting at wasn't the result of the case itself; it was that those modules themselves, while they have less resources than what is commonly considered a core (which has no strict standard or definition), they certainly had as much or more resources than a single core with SMT (Hyper-threading) does, and even those didn't boost performance two times, so no way does Hyper-threading boost performance as much as two additional real cores (not on average, at least).
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