Making a new PC (As a newbie) and need some suggestions

[Lady Alcina Dimitrescu]

I want to be as clear as possible and not confuse anyone.
I would like to hear your experiences and suggestions about the parts I'm about to buy and perhaps guide me through this painfull road.

The games I want to play

-Minecraft (With Shaders) and Minecraft Bedrock with RTX
-Team Fortress 2, Dota 2, CS2 or similar old/new mixed games. As long as I get 60 steady FPS on high settings it's fine.
-I don't really want to enable RTX on every damn game I just want it as an addition with DLSS 3.5.

What I decided to buy:

GPU: (Palit or Inno3D) Dual / Triple fan 4060Ti 12 Gigabyte of Vram (Because for some reason MSI or other expensive brands are like 40% more expensive)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D or similar Intel proccessor
Motherboard: Asus Prime B550M
RAM: X2 / 32 (I don't really care about the brand ngl)
Cooling system: Please give me suggestions, should I use Water cooling ? Is it better than Air cooling ?
Monitor: I want classic 1920x1080 144hz. I don't need more or less.
Power Supply: Open to suggestions, how much WATT do you think is enough for this ? 650 ? 700 ?

I currently have an SSD, HDD and a SSHD so I don't need extra storage


I searched a lot about GPU's and how much worth they are and stuff.
I thought like, why would I buy RTX 4070 Super if it's have the same performance as 4060Ti, and why would I pay a lot of money for 4070 Super, if 4070Ti super is literally a few more bucks.

I also checked on the AMD Ryzen 5000 vs 7000 and looks like 7000 series are heating a lot quicker compare to 5000 while their performance is pretty similar.
So perhaps I could also buy a water cooling for it ?
Idk give me your thoughts, correct my mistakes and please help me to not waste 3 months of hard work to some terrible pc.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

iam just gonna pitching an idea for GPU and CPU cooler
usually i buy TI one for the closure, 4060 to 4070 only like 25% more peformance, but 4060 to 4080 now that is big step performance + TI is the icing the cake, why dont 4090? i dont need that extra 25% for 100% price
for CPU cooler : yes Tower can have identical result with AIO but with some sacrifice like the RPM fan loud, depends on the vendor tho, but still for the sake of worry-free i think you should pick AIO

[Lady Alcina Dimitrescu]

ˢᵈˣ FatCat původně napsal:

iam just gonna pitching an idea for GPU and CPU cooler
usually i buy TI one for the closure, 4060 to 4070 only like 25% more peformance, but 4060 to 4080 now that is big step performance + TI is the icing the cake, why dont 4090? i dont need that extra 25% for 100% price
for CPU cooler : yes Tower can have identical result with AIO but with some sacrifice like the RPM fan loud, depends on the vendor tho, but still for the sake of worry-free i think you should pick AIO

what is AIO

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

Water cooling

[smokerob79]

thermalright peerless assassin is 35 bucks and beats most 240mm water coolers on the market.....its in the top 3 CPU coolers on the market for tower coolers.....

for what you want to play devoid of new games a old 6800xt GPU would work fine paired with a cheap 5700x none 3D......

BUT to have a upgrade path you could really do something with in a couple of years your best bet is to buy a AM5 motherboard as it will have CPU's released for it for at least 3 more years and going by the track record for AM4 it could see new CPU's dropped for the next 5 years.....so any of the 7000 series CPU's or higher is the better choice as intel nor AM4 based systems have real upgrade paths......

since you dont care about ray tracing i would go for a 7800xt GPU and a 7600x CPU on a new 870 motherboard......870 board as its the newest and will see support the longest out of what is in the market......7800xt as you want to stay at 1080p without breaking the bank for no real reason.....power supply i would be after 800 watts as its a good number for upgrades and tons of good 800watt PSU are on sale right now....like 250 dollar platinum PSU's going for a 100 bucks as they are being phased out over not having the 12volt high power cable you can get adapters for if you make the mistake of buying NgreedyA......

yeah im bios....my current 3080 will be my last NgreedyA card......the games they played with EVGA will never be forgiven......

[Lady Alcina Dimitrescu]

I purchased it

4070 Super
Asus 650 Mother board (DDR5)
16+16 X2 32 Rams
AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
and a cool arse RGB tower case with 750 WATT PSU.
And Cooler Master water cooling (240ml)

So far so good.
Hopefully I will share the further performance records here and perhaps help other people who want to buy a pc.
I can share more complex details of the components if anyone wonders.

[Wampum Biskit]

Lady Alcina Dimitrescu původně napsal:

I purchased it


and a cool arse RGB tower case with 750 WATT PSU.

hopefully it's a good brand one , i know most cases that come with a PSU are usually sub par PSU's

you don't skimp out on PSU's.....ever...

[Electric Cupcake]

Liquid cooling is probably overkill for a Ryzen 7, unless the case is really small and has poor ventilation.

[primeinsurrection]

Learn what you are doing before you do it.

Honestly, let a pro do it. Everyone talks like they know everything, but really they know nothing at all. Most people slap parts together having no idea how complex it actually is. 99% of the time people just choose the fastest parts, like they are doing now. This is not how to build a PC. It is wasting the money on all the parts. Technical design is a science with alot of numbers and work involved. Simply buying the fastest part does not make the fastest computer. All the parts work together very differently. You will end up wasting alot more money than it would take to hire someone that actually knows what they are doing, not just a kid at the geek squad or rando online.

[primeinsurrection]

To be more clear... If you do not have at least three pages of spec notes, and at least three pages of benchmark notes, you didnt do it right, and threw half of the money away.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

another self-proclaimed elitist

[primeinsurrection]

ˢᵈˣ FatCat původně napsal:

another self-proclaimed elitist

You mean the right answer, going by the book, to not waste money? How dare I. Why are you triggered by that?

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

sure bro, gotta float your boat, o superior elitist PC part

[primeinsurrection]

ˢᵈˣ FatCat původně napsal:

sure bro, gotta float your boat, o superior elitist PC part

While I am here I will teach you something too. You do not need water cooling unless a part is over heating, do you?

[Lady Alcina Dimitrescu]

primeinsurrection původně napsal:

ˢᵈˣ FatCat původně napsal:

sure bro, gotta float your boat, o superior elitist PC part

While I am here I will teach you something too. You do not need water cooling unless a part is over heating, do you?

Indeed that is true.
But I purchased this PC from a KIND OF pre-built site.
Basically, you chose the parts you want and they will get them all together for you and ship it to your house.
According to them, any CPU above AMD Ryzen 5 7600 and + needs water cooling.
I do agree it's an overkill but I heard so many people complaining about how terrible the heating problem is with AMD cards sometimes.
So I just didn't want to risk it.

[Lady Alcina Dimitrescu]

Wampum Biskit původně napsal:

Lady Alcina Dimitrescu původně napsal:

I purchased it


and a cool arse RGB tower case with 750 WATT PSU.

hopefully it's a good brand one , i know most cases that come with a PSU are usually sub par PSU's

you don't skimp out on PSU's.....ever...

Yup, I spent extra few bucks to get a better one.
Because the one site offers was a bit small and the GPU was off-brand or something like that and I didn't want to risk that too.