Best OS for gaming, and why?

[Mr. Marvell]

What the title says - plead your case, I'm curious.
(This is extremely broad of a question, please consider the nuance.)

[Çapgun]

r.linder eredeti hozzászólása:

Your average Windows user doesn't know what a lightweight OS actually is, there are versions of Linux that can literally run entirely in RAM.

Dsl linux for example. Just 50mb.But dropped also.

[Bing Chilling]

A custom install of win 10 or 7 with the de-bloat master script pack on github.

win 11 has one aswell but it's not as extensive, since microsoft has broken alot of the scripts that disable telemetry and quite a number of other tweaks.

[Çapgun]

Linux will won the war when vulkan become vast majority of game engines randering apis.

[Moogal™]

Imo Linux is superior.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

If we dont set up a parameter this kind of discussion is futile,
Be free man,

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De Hollandse Ezel eredeti hozzászólása:

Quint eredeti hozzászólása:

Measures can be taken to prevent that. Steam is the biggest gaming platform by far. IF Valve's SteamOS eventually releases, they could mandate the Linux ports of games to function under SteamOS. Obviously this assumes that SteamOS by default is an ideal, open system.

What I mean by under the hood is that they all use the same kernel and are able to run pretty much the same suite of apps and programs. They actually are different under the hood but I was talking about it in a simplified way for the ease of understanding.

steam unwanted drm that robs you off game ownership and renders them unplayable..

you most defitly do NOT want steam OS

SteamOS is the reason why Linux Gaming is not a laughing stock anymore. And I think I worded my point poorly so I'll try again:

My proposal is that SteamOS will be the ideal, open system that it is now (immuteable but whatever) and for games to be sold on the store, that Linux port of the game (if it has one) must be able to function under SteamOS AT LEAST. That means, companies won't be able to lock games to their prefered, bloated and spyware Linux distros.

Obviously this assumes that SteamOS will remain an open OS and that companies will not try to circumvent this.

Besides, Steam DRM is not an issue. It's a pretty lightweight DRM that doesn't get in player's way. And it's not even required to publish games on Steam. You can publish games without any DRM whatsoever.

And to be frank, no big publishers would be on Steam if it weren't for the DRM.

And the transition from physical media to digital media would happen regardless. We are just very lucky to have Valve as the market leader. Just look at other stores to see what would happen.

Besides, I'm yet to see an example of people's ownership being taken away.

Removing products from your account and making you unable to access them from anywhere again IS taking ownership. (Sony)

Cutting support for an outdated OS is NOT taking ownership away as the products are still on your account and can be accessed somewhere else.

I hope that's clear.

[The_Abortionator]

Quint eredeti hozzászólása:

De Hollandse Ezel eredeti hozzászólása:

steam unwanted drm that robs you off game ownership and renders them unplayable..

you most defitly do NOT want steam OS

SteamOS is the reason why Linux Gaming is not a laughing stock anymore. And I think I worded my point poorly so I'll try again:

My proposal is that SteamOS will be the ideal, open system that it is now (immuteable but whatever) and for games to be sold on the store, that Linux port of the game (if it has one) must be able to function under SteamOS AT LEAST. That means, companies won't be able to lock games to their prefered, bloated and spyware Linux distros.

Obviously this assumes that SteamOS will remain an open OS and that companies will not try to circumvent this.

Besides, Steam DRM is not an issue. It's a pretty lightweight DRM that doesn't get in player's way. And it's not even required to publish games on Steam. You can publish games without any DRM whatsoever.

And to be frank, no big publishers would be on Steam if it weren't for the DRM.

And the transition from physical media to digital media would happen regardless. We are just very lucky to have Valve as the market leader. Just look at other stores to see what would happen.

Besides, I'm yet to see an example of people's ownership being taken away.

Removing products from your account and making you unable to access them from anywhere again IS taking ownership. (Sony)

Cutting support for an outdated OS is NOT taking ownership away as the products are still on your account and can be accessed somewhere else.

I hope that's clear.

What the actual F? You clearly don't know how Linux works do you?

First off, SteamOS literally HAS TO STAY OPEN. Thats how licensing works. This isn't BSD.

Second, Steam already has a target for Linux devs that is ALREADY in place. Its funny when people who have NO IDEA claim you need to run Civ 5 via Proton because the native version "doesnt exist" when in reality if their brains just had one more spark they'd have scrolled past proton versions to select a Steam runtime for the game.

And thirdenst, what the hell do you even mean by locking a game to a specific distro? Or even "bloated spyware" distro?

Thats not at thing AT ALL. Linux games are built against APIs, middleware, and Libs NOT DISTROS. A program/game doesn't care what distro you have it only cares you have the needed dependencies.

None of what you said makes any sense.

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The_Abortionator eredeti hozzászólása:

Quint eredeti hozzászólása:

SteamOS is the reason why Linux Gaming is not a laughing stock anymore. And I think I worded my point poorly so I'll try again:

My proposal is that SteamOS will be the ideal, open system that it is now (immuteable but whatever) and for games to be sold on the store, that Linux port of the game (if it has one) must be able to function under SteamOS AT LEAST. That means, companies won't be able to lock games to their prefered, bloated and spyware Linux distros.

Obviously this assumes that SteamOS will remain an open OS and that companies will not try to circumvent this.

Besides, Steam DRM is not an issue. It's a pretty lightweight DRM that doesn't get in player's way. And it's not even required to publish games on Steam. You can publish games without any DRM whatsoever.

And to be frank, no big publishers would be on Steam if it weren't for the DRM.

And the transition from physical media to digital media would happen regardless. We are just very lucky to have Valve as the market leader. Just look at other stores to see what would happen.

Besides, I'm yet to see an example of people's ownership being taken away.

Removing products from your account and making you unable to access them from anywhere again IS taking ownership. (Sony)

Cutting support for an outdated OS is NOT taking ownership away as the products are still on your account and can be accessed somewhere else.

I hope that's clear.

What the actual F? You clearly don't know how Linux works do you?

First off, SteamOS literally HAS TO STAY OPEN. Thats how licensing works. This isn't BSD.

Second, Steam already has a target for Linux devs that is ALREADY in place. Its funny when people who have NO IDEA claim you need to run Civ 5 via Proton because the native version "doesnt exist" when in reality if their brains just had one more spark they'd have scrolled past proton versions to select a Steam runtime for the game.

And thirdenst, what the hell do you even mean by locking a game to a specific distro? Or even "bloated spyware" distro?

Thats not at thing AT ALL. Linux games are built against APIs, middleware, and Libs NOT DISTROS. A program/game doesn't care what distro you have it only cares you have the needed dependencies.

None of what you said makes any sense.

Yeah. None of what I said is real and makes any sense whatsoever.

That's the point.

I was talking with the guy about what would happen if these very unlikely things were to somehow happen when and if Linux were to gain a big marketshare.

I'm sorry if my language was confusing my English is not perfect.

[The_Abortionator]

Quint eredeti hozzászólása:

The_Abortionator eredeti hozzászólása:

What the actual F? You clearly don't know how Linux works do you?

First off, SteamOS literally HAS TO STAY OPEN. Thats how licensing works. This isn't BSD.

Second, Steam already has a target for Linux devs that is ALREADY in place. Its funny when people who have NO IDEA claim you need to run Civ 5 via Proton because the native version "doesnt exist" when in reality if their brains just had one more spark they'd have scrolled past proton versions to select a Steam runtime for the game.

And thirdenst, what the hell do you even mean by locking a game to a specific distro? Or even "bloated spyware" distro?

Thats not at thing AT ALL. Linux games are built against APIs, middleware, and Libs NOT DISTROS. A program/game doesn't care what distro you have it only cares you have the needed dependencies.

None of what you said makes any sense.

Yeah. None of what I said is real and makes any sense whatsoever.

That's the point.

I was talking with the guy about what would happen if these very unlikely things were to somehow happen when and if Linux were to gain a big marketshare.

I'm sorry if my language was confusing my English is not perfect.

These things aren't "unlikely" they're impossible.

[bstsms]

I recently switched to Linux Mint 22, from Windows 11 Pro, for my ASUS gaming laptop and all the games I play work fine and the lack of bloatware in Linux is nice...

Obviously the kernel anti-cheat games won't work in Linux yet, but I bet there will be a work around for them in the future.

[The_Abortionator]

bstsms eredeti hozzászólása:

I recently switched to Linux Mint 22, from Windows 11 Pro, for my ASUS gaming laptop and all the games I play work fine and the lack of bloatware in Linux is nice...

Obviously the kernel anti-cheat games won't work in Linux yet, but I bet there will be a work around for them in the future.

Can people stop making this very false blanket statement?

EAC, Punkbuster, BattleEye, And the likes of whatever it is that Helldivers2 uses are ALL kernel anticheats and ALL of them work in Linux. All thats required is the devs ticking their checkbox.

[Lixire]

The_Abortionator eredeti hozzászólása:

bstsms eredeti hozzászólása:

I recently switched to Linux Mint 22, from Windows 11 Pro, for my ASUS gaming laptop and all the games I play work fine and the lack of bloatware in Linux is nice...

Obviously the kernel anti-cheat games won't work in Linux yet, but I bet there will be a work around for them in the future.

Can people stop making this very false blanket statement?

EAC, Punkbuster, BattleEye, And the likes of whatever it is that Helldivers2 uses are ALL kernel anticheats and ALL of them work in Linux. All thats required is the devs ticking their checkbox.

And then you have something like Riot Vanguard which absolutely doesn't work on Linux and even stated by the developers that supporting Linux isn't an option on the table as of now.

Yeah you can say "ohh it's only valorant and league, who cares?" only to forget that those 2 are some of the most popular games on earth. that alone hurts the idea of Linux gaming by a large margin. then you have games that can run on Linux but the developers chose not to as Linux has too much of an attack surface area due to the fragmentation within the platform. i.e developers cannot attest that your kernel and boot process hasn't been tempered with.

and It won't get better. Yeah, Microsoft limiting kernel level access with Windows 11 sounds like a good thing for Linux users when it comes to gaming but in reality. it will just shift the anti cheat to run on an isolated instance by using VBS Enclaves

[The_Abortionator]

Lixire eredeti hozzászólása:

The_Abortionator eredeti hozzászólása:

Can people stop making this very false blanket statement?

EAC, Punkbuster, BattleEye, And the likes of whatever it is that Helldivers2 uses are ALL kernel anticheats and ALL of them work in Linux. All thats required is the devs ticking their checkbox.

And then you have something like Riot Vanguard which absolutely doesn't work on Linux and even stated by the developers that supporting Linux isn't an option on the table as of now.

Yeah you can say "ohh it's only valorant and league, who cares?" only to forget that those 2 are some of the most popular games on earth. that alone hurts the idea of Linux gaming by a large margin. then you have games that can run on Linux but the developers chose not to as Linux has too much of an attack surface area due to the fragmentation within the platform. i.e developers cannot attest that your kernel and boot process hasn't been tempered with.

and It won't get better. Yeah, Microsoft limiting kernel level access with Windows 11 sounds like a good thing for Linux users when it comes to gaming but in reality. it will just shift the anti cheat to run on an isolated instance by using VBS Enclaves

Wow, you came out of the gate exploding with emotions.

I stick by what I said, making blanket statements that are inaccurate is meaningless.

And no, TWO GAMES using vanguard doesn't magically hurt Linux. You realise that people wjo dont give a rat's @$$ about those games aren't going to magically be stopped from using Linux.

"Welp I was gonna switch to Linux as every game I play works on there but Lixire told me I can't because the two games I don't play dont work. Maybe next year UH DUUUUHRRR".

And no theres no such thing as "fragmentation" in Linux and you kids need to get that out of your heads. Options is not magically fragmentation, you are literally just parroting a trope started by Steve Jobs before he spent.

When they claim "attack surface" they are referring to the user having control of their system, which duh they should. But in reality nothing stops a user from gaining root access on a Windows machine which happens all the time.

Not sure what you thought this reply you made would accomplish but so far its only embarrassed you.

Thanks for trying to claim that games people don't play will prevent them from switching to Linux. Very big brain claim.

[Lixire]

The_Abortionator eredeti hozzászólása:

Lixire eredeti hozzászólása:

And then you have something like Riot Vanguard which absolutely doesn't work on Linux and even stated by the developers that supporting Linux isn't an option on the table as of now.

Yeah you can say "ohh it's only valorant and league, who cares?" only to forget that those 2 are some of the most popular games on earth. that alone hurts the idea of Linux gaming by a large margin. then you have games that can run on Linux but the developers chose not to as Linux has too much of an attack surface area due to the fragmentation within the platform. i.e developers cannot attest that your kernel and boot process hasn't been tempered with.

and It won't get better. Yeah, Microsoft limiting kernel level access with Windows 11 sounds like a good thing for Linux users when it comes to gaming but in reality. it will just shift the anti cheat to run on an isolated instance by using VBS Enclaves

Wow, you came out of the gate exploding with emotions.

I stick by what I said, making blanket statements that are inaccurate is meaningless.

And no, TWO GAMES using vanguard doesn't magically hurt Linux. You realise that people wjo dont give a rat's @$$ about those games aren't going to magically be stopped from using Linux.

"Welp I was gonna switch to Linux as every game I play works on there but Lixire told me I can't because the two games I don't play dont work. Maybe next year UH DUUUUHRRR".

And no theres no such thing as "fragmentation" in Linux and you kids need to get that out of your heads. Options is not magically fragmentation, you are literally just parroting a trope started by Steve Jobs before he spent.

When they claim "attack surface" they are referring to the user having control of their system, which duh they should. But in reality nothing stops a user from gaining root access on a Windows machine which happens all the time.

Not sure what you thought this reply you made would accomplish but so far its only embarrassed you.

Thanks for trying to claim that games people don't play will prevent them from switching to Linux. Very big brain claim.

And you already project on me without any real reason
Like it or not, People don't want to switch even if one thing that they used before doesn't work. and if they do then the moment they run into the issue of their game not being supported to the point it cannot launch. That's basically a quit moment for that person

Want anti-cheat developers to support Linux?
Force a UKI that has been approved by most gaming companies, force TPM2 and Secure Boot as well. so in theory only those with approved kernels can access those intrusive anti cheats i.e if Valve creates a Linux distro that all gamers will be on

Investing in server sided anti cheat could be a nice alternative if all of them didn't fall flat on their face. VAC in CS2 is literally worthless with the game being completely unplayable at the higher ELO ranges unless you play FACEIT which is a 3rd party matchmaking service with its own very intrusive anti cheat.

Linux is great for a lot of things and can be a perfect alternative to the disaster that is modern Windows but as long fragmentation is an issue. Desktop Linux will always be held back by it in one way or another as someone who is using Linux himself (Win11 24H2 with Nobara dual boot)

[Andrius227]

Windows is the only OS for gaming.

Some people suggest Linux, but its like learning a new language, i could, but i REALLY dont want to. English is my second language, i dont need another.