R7 5800X3D vs R9 5950X for 4K gaming.

[Zekkah]

I've read that the 5800X3D is better for gaming, but the 5950X is superior at higher resolutions (4K), which I play at most of the time.

Pairing it with a RX 7800 XT, which one is better? The CPU I have now is the R7 5800X.

I'd like to know your opinions.

[smokerob79]

at 4k there really is no reason to upgrade the 5800x.....most games will see a gain of less then 15 frames if its seen at all.....

[Illusion of Progress]

The information you read about the 5950X becoming faster at a higher resolution was wrong.

The 5800X3D is the faster CPU between them in gaming. That doesn't change if you're playing at higher resolutions. Why would it a higher resolution make a slower CPU become faster than a faster CPU?

What actually happens when you're playing at higher resolutions is that the GPU becomes a far more likely limitation instead of the CPU, which may mask the difference between CPUs. But that doesn't mean the CPUs themselves are actually equal (or that the slower one is somehow faster).

If you already have a 5800X though, I'd consider just skipping the idea of an in-platform upgrade if it's for gaming. The 5900X or 5950X would remain options if you only want more multi-threaded performance though. While the 5800X3D is meaningfully faster than the 5800X, it's not by enough compared to its cost, especially these days. And the 5700X3D is 5% to 10% slower (than the 5800X3D), so while it'd still be faster than what you have, it's not by enough.

Unless you need a cheaper increase for multi-threading only, then I'd say your next move is to look towards AM5. For gaming, if you're willing to afford them, that'd be 7800X3D/9800X3D.

[A&A]

0 difference.
At 4K even if you pair it with the best CPU, it doesn't matter. What may matter to you is the 1% lows.

[C1REX]

Sadly some new games are very CPU demanding.
New Monster Hunter Wilds (beta) barely holds 1% lows at 60fps on my Ryzen 7800x3D.

I would suggest 5800x3D as a bare minimum for the next 2-4 years if you want to play all new and less optimised games at a solid 60fps. Check benchmarks showing 1% lows for some games. 80fps average is no good if the game stutters and keep dropping to 45fps

Here is a good video showing Ryzen 3700x dropping to around 30fps in some of such heavy games.


https://youtu.be/lBnQB3xhYpE?si=LZbfyHQFm8GxRHK3

[Zekkah]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Illusion of Progress:

The information you read about the 5950X becoming faster at a higher resolution was wrong.

The 5800X3D is the faster CPU between them in gaming. That doesn't change if you're playing at higher resolutions. Why would it a higher resolution make a slower CPU become faster than a faster CPU?

That's not true. The 5950X reaches 5GHz and has 16 cores. The 5800X3D reaches 4.5GHz and has 8 cores. The only thing 5800X3D has better is cache memory.

[C1REX]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zekkah:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Illusion of Progress:

The information you read about the 5950X becoming faster at a higher resolution was wrong.

The 5800X3D is the faster CPU between them in gaming. That doesn't change if you're playing at higher resolutions. Why would it a higher resolution make a slower CPU become faster than a faster CPU?

That's not true. The 5950X reaches 5GHz and has 16 cores. The 5800X3D reaches 4.5GHz and has 8 cores. The only thing 5800X3D has better is cache memory.

He obviously meant gaming and the 5800x3D is faster at gaming despite slower clocks and less cores.

[Zekkah]

Ursprungligen skrivet av C1REX:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zekkah:

That's not true. The 5950X reaches 5GHz and has 16 cores. The 5800X3D reaches 4.5GHz and has 8 cores. The only thing 5800X3D has better is cache memory.

He obviously meant gaming and the 5800x3D is faster at gaming despite slower clocks and less cores.

It's not totally better at gaming if it's the worse one at resolutions over 1080p, which is what I was wondering about, specially while handling ray-tracing.

[Che]

I've switched from a 5950X to a 5800X3D exactly 365 days ago for gaming purposes. I'm playing games like X4, Stellaris and Starfield on maximum settings. All very CPU intensive games.
I would not call it a gamechanger but the difference was pretty huge.
The higher clockrate does NOTHING for gaming. Literally nothing.

I'm with C1REX. The 5800X3D is future proof at least for the next 2-4 years and can be seen as the minimum requirement for all CPU demanding games if you target high/ultra settings.

I've treated myself with a 4090 and boy, do my CPU and GPU jive together..

[C1REX]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zekkah:

Ursprungligen skrivet av C1REX:

He obviously meant gaming and the 5800x3D is faster at gaming despite slower clocks and less cores.

It's not totally better at gaming if it's the worse one at resolutions over 1080p, which is what I was wondering about, specially while handling ray-tracing.

If a CPU is faster at 1080p, then it will be faster at 4K as well, unless GPU bound. CPUs generally don't care about resolution - only if the GPU can keep up.

Here is an older video showing the performance difference between the 5800X3D, 5950X, and 5800X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajDUIJalxis


The prices of the 5800X3D are now absurd, so I would advise against upgrading from the 5800X and would consider saving money for an AM5 upgrade. And only if you really need an upgrade. The upgrade to 5950x would make close to no difference in gaming.

[Illusion of Progress]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zekkah:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Illusion of Progress:

The information you read about the 5950X becoming faster at a higher resolution was wrong.

The 5800X3D is the faster CPU between them in gaming. That doesn't change if you're playing at higher resolutions. Why would it a higher resolution make a slower CPU become faster than a faster CPU?

That's not true. The 5950X reaches 5GHz and has 16 cores. The 5800X3D reaches 4.5GHz and has 8 cores. The only thing 5800X3D has better is cache memory.

That's just stating specifications. I was talking about performance. Do specifications matter more than performance to you?

It just so happens that, when it comes to games, the extra cache of the X3D models more than compensates for the slightly slower clock speed (and core count at that amount barely matters for games).

This has been shown, time and again, with any performance data that has the 5800X and 5800X3D. They are typically about 20% apart in gaming performance (sometimes less, and sometimes even more), and the 5950X is sometimes slower than the 5800X (this is what can happen when you deal with dual CCD CPUs in latency sensitive workloads).

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review

https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/amd-r7-3700x-r5-3600-2024-revisit-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-5700x3d-more

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/

If you play at a higher resolution, and if you're limited by something other than the CPU, of course it will hold your performance back. That doesn't mean the difference between CPUs doesn't exist though. It certainly doesn't make a slower CPU become faster. It just means you can't realize the difference because something else is more fully holding your performance back.

This is why I said an in-platform upgrade isn't worth it, and you should stick with the 5800X until you move to AM5.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zekkah:

It's not totally better at gaming if it's the worse one at resolutions over 1080p, which is what I was wondering about, specially while handling ray-tracing.

I just noticed that you're the thread starter so now I'm confused...

Did you come here to ask which one is faster, or argue about it?

If your mind is already so made up to the point to where you only want to hear one of them as the answer, then why are you even asking?

[Magma Dragoon]

Where did you read this?

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zekkah:

I've read that the 5800X3D is better for gaming, but the 5950X is superior at higher resolutions (4K)

[Zekkah]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Illusion of Progress:

I just noticed that you're the thread starter so now I'm confused...

Did you come here to ask which one is faster, or argue about it?

If your mind is already so made up to the point to where you only want to hear one of them as the answer, then why are you even asking?

Contributing to the discussion doesn't mean I came to any conclusion. The statement you quoted is inconclusive.

I did find this video that compares the 9600X, 5800X3D and 5950X at 4K:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjeIhTlHheo
The 5800X3D is sometimes better, another time the 5950X is slightly better, but appear to be about the same thing for gaming at 4K. The 5800X3D is better for gaming, most likely. The 5950X is the better CPU overall.

[Zekkah]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Magma Dragoon:

Where did you read this?

Comments here and there on Youtube and Reddit. After seeing the video I shared, I think the difference between them might be insignificant for 4K gaming.

[C1REX]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zekkah:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Illusion of Progress:

I just noticed that you're the thread starter so now I'm confused...

Did you come here to ask which one is faster, or argue about it?

If your mind is already so made up to the point to where you only want to hear one of them as the answer, then why are you even asking?

Contributing to the discussion doesn't mean I came to any conclusion. The statement you quoted is inconclusive.

I did find this video that compares the 9600X, 5800X3D and 5950X at 4K:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjeIhTlHheo
The 5800X3D is sometimes better, another time the 5950X is slightly better, but appear to be about the same thing for gaming at 4K. The 5800X3D is better for gaming, most likely. The 5950X is the better CPU overall.

Be careful with some random benchmarks as some of them are fake.
I have a feeling you already made a decision. 5800x3D currently costs about $700 due to very limited supply so it's out of question anyway.

CPUs shouldn't be tested at 4K. It's a trap even if you plan to use it at 4K. Especially if you choose to ignore 1% lows that in my opinion are more important than average.
2 years ago people were telling me that I don't need to upgrade from Ryzen 3950x for 4K gaming and look where it's now - it drops to 30fps in some games at 4K.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

neither.

to properly run 4k you need an rtx 4090 (only current card capable of doing 4k propertly wirh 100+ fps)

alternatively wait 2 months and get an 5090, and perhaps the 5080 (I not expect the 5070 to be as powerfull as a 4090.. but we wait and see)

to run those gpu's without bottleneck you need a 78003xd.. and for the 5090 most likely an 9800x3d.

thats the only way to properly run 4k. if not.,. stick to 1440p.