Mr White Nov 12, 2024 @ 12:46pm
Is 13th and 14th Intel that bad?
Is Intel 13th and 14th really that bad now?
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Madtoast Nov 12, 2024 @ 12:54pm 
imo, their just a waste of electric compared to what AMD offers.
Heaven Fall Nov 12, 2024 @ 1:16pm 
yes
New intel chip same
Go AMD
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Wampum Biskit Nov 12, 2024 @ 1:45pm 
Intel screwed up badly with hiding their whole issues about degradation.

however to call intel just trash is just not right either.

personally i think it's just whatever you want , the reviews are more favorable towards AMD but that doesn't make Intel not competitive , my next build is still going to be a Intel , the difference between AMD/Intel just doesn't make me want to switch to AMD , i personally don't care if i get 200 or 210 FPS in games.

Now if AMD would outperform Intel by 150% on all fronts then it would be something for me to think about , but isolated games/apps/software and it only being a few % here or there doesn't sway me into buying AMD.
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Bing Chilling Nov 12, 2024 @ 1:51pm 
from what i know, the 13th and 14th gen issues have been fixed, so they aren't "bad" CPU's

that said intels performance to value is not great right now with how aggressive AMD's pricing is for CPU's like the 5600/5700x3d/7800x3d/9800x3d
_I_ Nov 12, 2024 @ 2:01pm 
Originally posted by Bing Chilling:
from what i know, the 13th and 14th gen issues have been fixed, so they aren't "bad" CPU's

that said intels performance to value is not great right now with how aggressive AMD's pricing is for CPU's like the 5600/5700x3d/7800x3d/9800x3d
its a fault in mfg, its never going to get 'fixed'
intel forced mobo mfgs to release bios update to make the fault in the cpu appear later, and extended their warranty
but they will eventually all fail
A&A Nov 12, 2024 @ 2:19pm 
Yes, only for i9s i7s and K variants of i5. Manufacturing defects.
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Guydodge Nov 12, 2024 @ 2:34pm 
Originally posted by _I_:
Originally posted by Bing Chilling:
from what i know, the 13th and 14th gen issues have been fixed, so they aren't "bad" CPU's

that said intels performance to value is not great right now with how aggressive AMD's pricing is for CPU's like the 5600/5700x3d/7800x3d/9800x3d
its a fault in mfg, its never going to get 'fixed'
intel forced mobo mfgs to release bios update to make the fault in the cpu appear later, and extended their warranty
but they will eventually all fail
lol..please link to where you found such informative information.

with the 13th gen i would steer clear as the oxidation does occur in the early 2023
cpus.also i would not buy a used one 13th or 14th as well.while intel will replace them why do that if you dont have to.as far as a new 14th gen cpu they have put out a bios fix that
addresses the over voltage that contrary to the uneducated claims it exists in all is just
not true.run great as they have replaced my 13900k now with a 14900k and i can
clearly see (due to monitoring)is not over volting.so if your going with a new 14th gen
your good just make sure you get the newest bios update.the 0x12b
or you can just lock the cores which stops any over volting.
Last edited by Guydodge; Nov 12, 2024 @ 2:56pm
UserNotFound Nov 12, 2024 @ 6:52pm 
I had read that IF you go to the trash site that is Userbenchmark, they are its recommendations over AMD's 9800X3D.....that'll give you an idea how much of a dumpster fire that site is.
Last edited by UserNotFound; Nov 12, 2024 @ 6:52pm
Originally posted by Red Moon:
Is Intel 13th and 14th really that bad now?
This question needs more context.

Were the issues that bad, before? Unbelievably, in my opinion. And there's many that are still going to fail as a result of those issues. Silent Hill 2 released a little over a month ago now. It's an Unreal Engine 5 game. After its second patch, some changes were made to the game, and a splash screen was now being shown on startup that had a progress bar under the words "compiling shaders". You can maybe guess where this is going. There was quite a number of threads reporting crashing after that patch, some during that startup splash, some during gameplay at random times, and others when closing the game. Many of them had this...

DecompressShader(): Could not decompress shader (GetShaderCompressionFormat=Oodle)

https://www.radgametools.com/oodleintel.htm

...As part of the error message, and all but one of the threads that I noticed reporting this had, you guessed it, an Intel Raptor Lake CPU (the other one was an AMD Zen 3 or Zen 4 CPU, and they fixed their issue by disabling their RAM profile so clearly their CPU/platform wasn't stable at profile speeds).

Some of those users worked around the issue by running the game in DirectX 11 mode (which doesn't compile shaders/otherwise might be lighter on the CPU), which had them going "see, it's the game", but it's their unstable CPU. In these coming years, we're going to be seeing a number of games crashing like that, and getting blamed, when it's (sometimes) actually those CPUs.

You'll see this in other games forums or on gaming/tech communities where people say they had to RMA a Raptor Lake CPU once, sometimes even twice (or more?). Some of those same people will even bury their heads in the sand that it was ever a big issue, despite having had multiple CPUs fail on them.

But that just says that they can fail, which many of us know. Maybe you're asking if they are "safe" now, after the, what, three or four fixes? Well... maybe. There's not enough conclusive evidence to say that they are still unsafe for sure, and probably never will be. Because any issues that come up now "could have been issues from before". I personally wouldn't trust buying one myself. Always having to have it on mind that it could be the CPU is one more thing to worry about if you ever start having issues. Arrow Lake is, uh... "okay at best" for raw multi-thread productivity only? Its price/performance is awful in most regards (and Zen 5s pricing has been dropping as well), and its raw performance isn't even good either. It's likely going to be a single generation socket (like LGA 1151/Haswell). So that sort of leaves the older Alder Lake... in almost 2025... on what will be two platforms back once Intel launches its next thing. It's by no means slow, even now, but it clearly isn't competing with the latest CPUs so it's limited to value buyers now. And even at $160, I'd probably just skip over a 12600KF for a 5700X3D for $30 to $40 more, but that's looking at it with gaming as the focus. If you want a better all around chip, then the 12600KF is probably it. So the 12600KF/12700KF (if $190 to $200 for the latter) are great options, but... that's sort of all I'm seeing that looks "good" out of their offerings right now.

I almost don't see a reason to choose Intel at all in the DIY market right now, and many people haven't been in the last couple of years. In most online store fronts, AMD CPUs have predominantly been the top sellers. And that's because they are usually the better choices right now. With pricing varying more in the prebuilt market, might be a different story there (but I'd still avoid Raptor lake).

Now if you already have one, and it's operating fine, maybe you're asking if it's bad for you? Well... no. If you already have something, if it meets your criteria, and is stable, then it doesn't matter if something better exists if you were in the buying market because... you're not in the buying market. You'll just have to keep an eye on it and, if you do start having stability issues (crashes, etc.), remember to consider that the CPU could be at fault and you'll have to test it.
Last edited by Illusion of Progress; Nov 12, 2024 @ 8:27pm
Philco7a Nov 12, 2024 @ 10:44pm 
My 14900k is doing awesome gaming.
Ecores disabled/ hyperthreading disabled. Don't need that for gaming.
Bios power limited to 253 watts/253 watts/307 amps just like Intel advises.
It never needs to speed the fans up to stay cool. Also I have an air cooler on it with Thermal Grizzly CPU contact frame.
Andrius227 Nov 13, 2024 @ 12:22am 
Worse than AMD currently but not bad.

I will keep buying intel because i always bought intel and i didn’t buy it because it was better.
BurakZG Nov 13, 2024 @ 1:50am 
Originally posted by Philco7a:
My 14900k is doing awesome gaming.
Ecores disabled/ hyperthreading disabled. Don't need that for gaming.
I'm always puzzled by this type of statements. How does it make sense to buy very expensive 24 cores processor, disable 16 cores on it, disable hyperthreading, making it effectively 8 cores processor.
Wouldn't it be better to just buy 8 or 10 cores processor for half the price?
_I_ Nov 13, 2024 @ 2:53am 
the e cores are slow, windows tries to run some games on them, but with lower performance
same with ht, ht is 2 threads sharing the same core, disabling the ht threads makes the singel thread run on a single core for best performance

games run worse on 1000x 1ghz cores vs 8x 5ghz cores
Last edited by _I_; Nov 13, 2024 @ 2:54am
C1REX Nov 13, 2024 @ 3:08am 
Originally posted by BurakZG:
Originally posted by Philco7a:
My 14900k is doing awesome gaming.
Ecores disabled/ hyperthreading disabled. Don't need that for gaming.
I'm always puzzled by this type of statements. How does it make sense to buy very expensive 24 cores processor, disable 16 cores on it, disable hyperthreading, making it effectively 8 cores processor.
Wouldn't it be better to just buy 8 or 10 cores processor for half the price?
Some people want the best and are willing to go for it even if it gives just a few percent better performance for triple the price (more expensive CPU, RAM, top-end OC motherboard, top-end cooler, etc.). It could compete and win at gaming against the 7800X3D if tuned properly. Not sure about the 9800X3D though. Such min-maxing makes sense for enthusiasts with the 4090, but it's wasted money and performance if it cannibalizes the GPU budget.
Mr White Nov 13, 2024 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by _I_:
the e cores are slow, windows tries to run some games on them, but with lower performance
same with ht, ht is 2 threads sharing the same core, disabling the ht threads makes the singel thread run on a single core for best performance

games run worse on 1000x 1ghz cores vs 8x 5ghz cores

I thought the E-Cores were for non gaming tasks?. So is that not a Windows Problem?
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