Buy RTX 4090 now or wait for 5090?

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

I game at max settings 4k 144hz and 4k 120hz dual monitor setup.

DO I buy a RTX 4090 or wait for 5090 and hope they are not out of stock and over priced for the first year?

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Man Cave Mike の投稿を引用：

Ontrix_Kitsune の投稿を引用：

Take a look backwards at history. Many people said "I will wait for the next fastest video card and buy that, then I will never need another one". People said this about the GeForce 6800, the GTX 680, the GTX 780 Ti, the GTX 980 Ti, 1080 Ti, etc.

What is "the fastest today" will be pathetically slow (and not fast enough for anything useful) in another 5-6 years.

itll be fast enough for my existing library lol. I am older. Only 1 or 2 builds away from being done with it lol

quite reliable about every 21 months (1.75 years) a new generation of gpus comes out.

and again quite reliably each new generation is about 40% more powerfull than the last.

1.4*1.4= 2 more or less.
so every 2 generations of gpu performance doubles..

this us where the a new pc every 3-4 years for gamers comes from..

it does NOT render your old stuff fully worthless though.
the xx70 of a series usually performs halve as fast as the top model does.

so a 6070 and 4090 likely will be equal in performance just lt as an 2080ti /titan RTX and todays 4070 more or less are

this is reflected in price..
the 4070 costs about 550 euro and you can have a used 2080ti for about 400 euro or about 75% of that which is also what 2d hand/usd 4070 cost.

ofcourse the 2080ti did cost in 2018 1600 euro.. so it has lost 75% of it's value in just 6 years.

**but the value loss is not as great as it once was.. where once powerdraw and pricing for similair models in each series stayed the same
with x60 costing 200 and 120w
x70 350 and using 150w
x80 500 and using 180w
x80ti 700 and using 250w
x90 and titan and 1100 and 250w.
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due the pricehikes and tdp draw hikes we now have between each generation the gain in performance per watt and performance per euro spend aint as great anymore..
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if you want to buy a pc at the same price point..
you may not have the budget to replace that 3070 for a 5070.. and may have to delay your new pc a third gen till 6060 ..

that said.. if you bought in 2018 a 2070 for 500 not a 2080ti for 1600.
and sold it in 2023 for the 200 an used 2070 still does and bought an 600 euro 4070..

you'd had gamed 5 years at half the performance of the 2080ti user and 2 years at equal
while spending only neth 900..
keeping 700 in your pocket..

so its upto you if roughly half the price of your gpu is worth it for an 5 year edge

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

KillWonder の投稿を引用：

5000 series is just around the corner. So better wait

I am, I built a 14900k instead. I need to order a gpu cable mod

https://imgur.com/a/ThqmhZS

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just wait man

[Tonepoet]

The type of person who should be buying an RTX 4090 at all doesn't need to ask if they should buy the RTX 4090. They're the sort of person who buys an RTX 4090 because it's objectively the top performer and price to performance is meaningless to them. The type of person to whom their only question is if they should be buying the RTX 5090 at launch even though they already have the 4090 already. Just kidding, they already answered yes to that question because money is no object to them, so long as they have the best, and the RTX 4090 is easily the best card on the market.

If you're not the sort of person to whom money is no object, you shouldn't be looking at an RTX 4090. It's like, maybe a 30% perf. boost for 70% extra cost over the 4080 super. That's why A.M.D. doesn't have a direct competitor to the RTX 4090. It's also possibly why Nvidia didn't bother with a 4090 super or bringing down the price of the card at all (even the 4080 super is essentially just the 4080 except $200 cheaper). That elite segment of customers to whom money is no object is so small that it's not even worth trying to compete over them. It's the gilded lotus of presently available graphics cards.

Anyway, you're in the U.S.A. according to your profile and black friday is coming up. They're likely to try and put up some compelling G.P.U. offers if you're willing to wait 'till around the end of the month. Any card is up for grabs if the discount is good enough but I'd be holding my breath less for a good 4090 deal than on the other cards...

[Worldzworstgamer]

Outcast82 の投稿を引用：

Worldzworstgamer の投稿を引用：

Wait for the 6090! It will be sexy time.

nah nvidea missed their chance by not releasing an GTX 1337
and don't hold up hope for an RTX 5800B
there wont be releasing an RTX 6969 either..

LOL!

[Worldzworstgamer]

Man Cave Mike の投稿を引用：

Outcast82 の投稿を引用：

nah nvidea missed their chance by not releasing an GTX 1337
and don't hold up hope for an RTX 5800B
there wont be releasing an RTX 6969 either..

lol awarded

: )

[PopinFRESH]

Man Cave Mike の投稿を引用：

PopinFRESH の投稿を引用：

Honestly, I'd go return the 14900K and your motherboard (if its new) to BBY and either get a 9800X3D or wait for CES and get a 9900X3D or 9950X3D. The 9800X3D is wildly ahead of both the Core Ultra 285 and the 14900K; and the recent leaks of the 9950X3D show they've substantially changed the multi-die X3D parts with Zen5.

If you are already waiting for the 5090 you might as well also wait for the top-end CPU that is expected to release pretty much at the same time.

I dont like amd, Ive had nothing but major issues with them and won 2 civil suits. Rather take a less performing intel over amd any day.

But that is my personal beef, not saying amd is bad, it's not, its a great cpu, but I had horrible experience with amd, so I dont bother, besides, the 9800x3d is sold out til December/January and costs more than the 14900k



I am happy with my pick

Fair, to each his own. I'd agree with you historically in regards to stability on Intel vs AMD; but as of now I'd disagree with that notion (and I'm not just referring to the issues with 13th & 14th gen). I've had my share of issues with AMD CPUs in the past but I've also had rock solid experiences with them as well. I've never been brand loyal and will adjust my perspectives when new information is available; however, I do get where you're coming from and if you had issues with them that led to litigation in order to resolve I'd very likely have your same mindset. I had issues such as those with Sears and Circuit City and never stepped foot in those stores again; and gave them all of the bad word of mouth advertising they deserved up until they both went bankrupt.

My suggestion was also contingent on you intending to wait for the 5090; hence the 9800X3D or 9900X3D/9950X3D availability wasn't a concern given I don't expect the 5090 to launch until then anyway. Anyway, enjoy your new build.

[☄️⁧⁧Sneakydude555]

considering that the R9 7950X3D with halve of its cores disabled bottlenecking a 4090 in COD Warzone 3, i dont think its worth investing into high end hardware at that point.

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

PopinFRESH の投稿を引用：

Man Cave Mike の投稿を引用：

I dont like amd, Ive had nothing but major issues with them and won 2 civil suits. Rather take a less performing intel over amd any day.

But that is my personal beef, not saying amd is bad, it's not, its a great cpu, but I had horrible experience with amd, so I dont bother, besides, the 9800x3d is sold out til December/January and costs more than the 14900k



I am happy with my pick

Fair, to each his own. I'd agree with you historically in regards to stability on Intel vs AMD; but as of now I'd disagree with that notion (and I'm not just referring to the issues with 13th & 14th gen). I've had my share of issues with AMD CPUs in the past but I've also had rock solid experiences with them as well. I've never been brand loyal and will adjust my perspectives when new information is available; however, I do get where you're coming from and if you had issues with them that led to litigation in order to resolve I'd very likely have your same mindset. I had issues such as those with Sears and Circuit City and never stepped foot in those stores again; and gave them all of the bad word of mouth advertising they deserved up until they both went bankrupt.

My suggestion was also contingent on you intending to wait for the 5090; hence the 9800X3D or 9900X3D/9950X3D availability wasn't a concern given I don't expect the 5090 to launch until then anyway. Anyway, enjoy your new build.

Ohh Circuit city, havent heard that name in 20 some odd years.

I am going to hold off for the 5090 for the gpu. I bought the 14900k and am loving it so far. It runs cooler than my 13700k did and far better. Still a hot cpu, but if intel ever sends me a package to rma the 13700k ill have 2 pcs lol. Maybe my next pc Ill try amd again, but I make no promises

[Guydodge]

Man Cave Mike の投稿を引用：

Ontrix_Kitsune の投稿を引用：

Intel's 14'th gen processors never had any of the physical manufacturing defects. That was only the 13'th gen parts. The 14'th gen parts suffered from being overclocked too far by various motherboard companies under the "Default settings" in the bios which then degraded the processors over time because they were overclocked beyond what is safe for the processor. The updated bios "fixes" that by limiting the defaults that all motherboards can default to so the 14'th gen processors aren't overclocked on "default" anymore.

In theory if someone buys a brand new 14'th gen processor today and updates the bios on their board right away before using it very long then in theory they should be perfectly fine with no issues. That is of course if you believe what Intel is telling everyone. Which this is the company that lied to everyone about the defects with the 13'th gen processors in the first place so who knows if they're telling the truth about the bios updates for 14'th gen products. For all we know 14'th gen processors could still be damaged and degraded even with the new bios update.

My motherboards latest bios eliminates this risk, and if you ever roll back the bios or stock default it, it wont remove this critical update.

I am very hopeful I wont have issues. Ill update my geek profile with the new build when done and I decided to wait for the rtx 5090 to go with my rig

you obviously have the knowledge to do your homework.im at a lose as to why you
would ask here .so with that being said if the past has
taught us anything the improvement should be about 15-30% but the latter rarely happens
and at 15% and if its msrp is 2499.00 hell no go the 4090 if you can.they will thin the market so you will have no choice..good luck

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Guydodge の投稿を引用：

Man Cave Mike の投稿を引用：

My motherboards latest bios eliminates this risk, and if you ever roll back the bios or stock default it, it wont remove this critical update.

I am very hopeful I wont have issues. Ill update my geek profile with the new build when done and I decided to wait for the rtx 5090 to go with my rig

you obviously have the knowledge to do your homework.im at a lose as to why you
would ask here .so with that being said if the past has
taught us anything the improvement should be about 15-30% but the latter rarely happens
and at 15% and if its msrp is 2499.00 hell no go the 4090 if you can.they will thin the market so you will have no choice..good luck

My local best buy had 5 in stock at $1799, which is why I asked. They sold out the same day lol

[PopinFRESH]

Man Cave Mike の投稿を引用：

PopinFRESH の投稿を引用：

Fair, to each his own. I'd agree with you historically in regards to stability on Intel vs AMD; but as of now I'd disagree with that notion (and I'm not just referring to the issues with 13th & 14th gen). I've had my share of issues with AMD CPUs in the past but I've also had rock solid experiences with them as well. I've never been brand loyal and will adjust my perspectives when new information is available; however, I do get where you're coming from and if you had issues with them that led to litigation in order to resolve I'd very likely have your same mindset. I had issues such as those with Sears and Circuit City and never stepped foot in those stores again; and gave them all of the bad word of mouth advertising they deserved up until they both went bankrupt.

My suggestion was also contingent on you intending to wait for the 5090; hence the 9800X3D or 9900X3D/9950X3D availability wasn't a concern given I don't expect the 5090 to launch until then anyway. Anyway, enjoy your new build.

Ohh Circuit city, havent heard that name in 20 some odd years.
...

Yeah, I toasted to their demise when they went bankrupt. Long story somewhat shortish; I worked at Office Depot at the time and there was a Circuit City in the plaza across the road from the store I worked at. One of my co-workers and I, who were both gamers, were looking at upgrading our CRT monitors. Circuit City carried NEC monitors which at the time were one of the best flat-CRT displays on the market; and Office Depot didn't carry any NEC displays. We went across the street after work one day to look at them and I was planning on buying one (my co-working was short and planned on buying one in the following two weeks after his next check). We were still in our uniforms and when I tried to find someone to help me to get one from stock they tried to kick us out of the store. I asked to speak to the manager and the manager said we were just trying to "price shop them" and did kick us out of the store. I showed him that I had the cash to purchase the display and tried to explain that 1) Office Deport doesn't carry NEC displays and 2) if we were price shoping them we wouldn't be dumb as ♥♥♥♥ and do so in our uniforms. They still kicked us out. So I wrote their corporate office and about 3 weeks later I got a reply that essentially said they stood by their managers decision and thought he was correct for kicking us out of the store.

So I sent them a follow up letter asking them to try to find any of those NEC displays available at Office Depot, along with a copy of the receipt for the ~$1000 NEC DiamondTron 21" display I purchased from another competitor. Absolute ♥♥♥♥ hole of a company.

[Top Strudel]

Man Cave Mike の投稿を引用：

I game at max settings 4k 144hz and 4k 120hz dual monitor setup.

DO I buy a RTX 4090 or wait for 5090 and hope they are not out of stock and over priced for the first year?

I hope you waited as the 5090 is superior in every way and the new technologies will have major benefits in demanding games.

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

Top Strudel の投稿を引用：

I hope you waited as the 5090 is superior in every way and the new technologies will have major benefits in demanding games.

The RTX 5090 is also going to have a MSRP of $1999 and the scalpers that buy it up and relist it will increase that by quite a lot.

[THIICUMS]

Ontrix_Kitsune の投稿を引用：

Top Strudel の投稿を引用：

I hope you waited as the 5090 is superior in every way and the new technologies will have major benefits in demanding games.

The RTX 5090 is also going to have a MSRP of $1999 and the scalpers that buy it up and relist it will increase that by quite a lot.

Shouldn’t be as bad since COVID scalpers, right?

With the RTX 3000s and 4000s series in comparisons back then VS now?

Or is scalping just as bad?