9900k to 7600x3d

[Soulreaver]

I think I just need some verification.

For pure gaming performance the 7600x3d will be far better that's for sure
but how is it for general desktop use and browsing?

I don't do noteworthy productivity on my private PC so that's no real bother.
A bit of C and R coding, sometimes a bit of 3D modeling for my 3d printer (so no animations).

I think this could be a worthwhile price to performance upgrade especially for gaming?

Regarding gaming.
I'm mainly in the 60-100fps range I prefer details way over super high fps.

[Soulreaver]

Hey guys,

please try to stay on topic. I'd realy like to get a few answers and I think this becomming a general Intel vs. AMD discussion hinders that purpose and people are less likely to participate.


I would like to repeat one of my last questions again.

Wouldn't it be possible to go for something AMD equivalent to an z690 and put a 7600x3d in and just upgrade the CPU in 2-3 years again? If this or something similar would be possible I think it'd be the ideal solution for me.

[Soulreaver]

My current picks would be

Mobo
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0CP17GMG3/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&th=1

CPU
7600x3d

RAM
Corsair Vengeance 32Gig/6000Mhz/CL30
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0CBRJ63RT/ref=ewc_pr_img_2?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&th=1

The Mobo should be decent enough to support a further CPU upgrade and it supports Ram up to 8000Mhz. So if I wanted to I could also swap that out later.

I also read AMD Wifi is garbage?

What do you guys think overall?

[smokerob79]

Oprindeligt skrevet af 10PushUpsToRedemption:

it's not good value. if you can get it for 200 quid and you don't mind the problems that come with amd, then I could cautiously recommend it.
wait until the prices settle and if you can wait longer, then be patient until 2026 because at that point we are going to see competition between the players again.

but if you want to listen to the well-informed users in this discussion ( sarcasm ), then by all means ignore my post.

10 times more issues with intel in the last 5 years....you out of the loop or something???

[smokerob79]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Soulreaver:

My current picks would be

Mobo
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0CP17GMG3/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&th=1

CPU
7600x3d

RAM
Corsair Vengeance 32Gig/6000Mhz/CL30
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0CBRJ63RT/ref=ewc_pr_img_2?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&th=1

The Mobo should be decent enough to support a further CPU upgrade and it supports Ram up to 8000Mhz. So if I wanted to I could also swap that out later.

I also read AMD Wifi is garbage?

What do you guys think overall?

if you want to upgrade later the best option now is to buy a 8 series motherboard....870x motherboards are only going for 220ish state side.....this will give you the best options you can have going forward for upgrades...

[Soulreaver]

Oprindeligt skrevet af smokerob79:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Soulreaver:

My current picks would be

Mobo
Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0CP17GMG3/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&th=1

CPU
7600x3d

RAM
Corsair Vengeance 32Gig/6000Mhz/CL30
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0CBRJ63RT/ref=ewc_pr_img_2?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&th=1

The Mobo should be decent enough to support a further CPU upgrade and it supports Ram up to 8000Mhz. So if I wanted to I could also swap that out later.

I also read AMD Wifi is garbage?

What do you guys think overall?

if you want to upgrade later the best option now is to buy a 8 series motherboard....870x motherboards are only going for 220ish state side.....this will give you the best options you can have going forward for upgrades...

Yeah there were several people stating the 670 is basicaly a 650 and the 870 is basicaly a 670
I don't know if this is just moving goal posts or if those Motherboard classes are indeed pretty much the same. Specs wise I could see where people were comming from but I'm also not well versed regarding the electrical components like power stages and their ampere and or the VRM.

[r.linder]

Better off going with a 9800X3D and X870E and keeping it for 5~10 years rather than buying a 7600X3D and having to upgrade it sooner, a lot of games are starting to recommend 8 physical cores, and the 7600X3D basically just trades blows with the 5700X3D and 5800X3D.

Explains the silent launch, it's almost a pointless chip that's more than likely the product of bad bins being repurposed.

[Soulreaver]

Oprindeligt skrevet af r.linder:

Better off going with a 9800X3D and X870E and keeping it for 5~10 years rather than buying a 7600X3D and having to upgrade it sooner, a lot of games are starting to recommend 8 physical cores, and the 7600X3D basically just trades blows with the 5700X3D and 5800X3D.

Explains the silent launch, it's almost a pointless chip that's more than likely the product of bad bins being repurposed.

Yeah there is noooo way I'll keep any CPU for 5-10 years :D
Got my 9900k for 4 years now and that's plenty :D

There were people stating the fact that the 7600x3d is based on bad bins might even be a pro. I forgot (did like 5hrs of research today alone) the reasoning behind it but there seems to be atleast some contradicting information.

That's why I think it could actually make sense to go the route I'm proposing.
My thought process goes something like this.
7600x3d and then as soon as available upgrade to the highest in socket and see how long that one will last me.

If I understand correctly the 9800x3d is still one or two generations away from being the top tier for that socket.

Maybe my plan is complete bollucks but at this point I don't understand why it would.
What is it I'm not seeing?

[Julien, cut it out.]

Since you stated that you're playing at a high resolution and with higher graphical settings (+RT), I'd advise to use Intel Presentmon's metrices like GPU Busy and CPU Busy with your current setup to determine, which component bounds the peformance and dictates the behaviour of the frametime in the games you play.

So that you get an idea in which games and in which scenarios you can expect an increase in performance or better frametime consistency.

If GPU Busy determines the frametime (GPU limitation), a more powerful CPU won't deliver a performance increase.

[Soulreaver]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Julien, cut it out.:

Since you stated that you're playing at a high resolution and with higher graphical settings (+RT), I'd advise to use Intel Presentmon's metrices like GPU Busy and CPU Busy with your current setup to determine, which component bounds the peformance and dictates the behaviour of the frametime in the games you play.

So that you get an idea in which games and in which scenarios you can expect an increase in performance or better frametime consistency.

If GPU Busy determines the frametime (GPU limitation), a more powerful CPU won't deliver a performance increase.

Never heard of GPU/CPU Busy. Will have a look into it.

I'm allmost in all instances GPU bound despite my 4080. Like I said earlier. For me it's primarily for the 1% lows and the few instances where I'm CPU bound.

Will still have a look into those programs maybe they show something my current monitoring programs don't show. Or show it in a way that makes it easier to evaluate the overall behaviour.

[kingsims]

id grab a 7800x3d second hand to be honest. if you can get one for $300. Then its a bargain. Otherwise just grab the 9800x3d and it will have no problems at 1440p or 4k with any GPU including the soon to be released 5090.

[Julien, cut it out.]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Soulreaver:

Never heard of GPU/CPU Busy. Will have a look into it.

If you're interested and have some time at hand, Gamers Nexus published two excellent videos on this topic. The second video is rather an update to the first one, discussing changes to existing and newly added variables/ metrices.

https://youtu.be/5hAy5V91Hr4
https://youtu.be/C_RO8bJop8o

https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon/blob/v2.2.0/README-CaptureApplication.md
https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon/blob/v2.2.0/README-ConsoleApplication.md

[Soulreaver]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Julien, cut it out.:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Soulreaver:

Never heard of GPU/CPU Busy. Will have a look into it.

If you're interested and have some time at hand, Gamers Nexus published two excellent videos on this topic. The second video is rather an update to the first one, discussing changes to existing and newly added variables/ metrices.

https://youtu.be/5hAy5V91Hr4
https://youtu.be/C_RO8bJop8o

https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon/blob/v2.2.0/README-CaptureApplication.md
https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon/blob/v2.2.0/README-ConsoleApplication.md

I already had a short look at it. Also watched a bit of the second video you posted.

It seems interesting but I think it's still in development and there doesn't seem to be too much interest in.

If it gets more widespread attention I'll maybe download and fiddle with it but at the moment I don't want to hastle with something new where an error (of any kind) might be user or software based and I would need to crossreference the data to be sure.

But I give you that. For someone like me this program could probably be a dream to work with.

[Soulreaver]

I also stuck with intel and went for a 12900k (hopefully arriving today)

price to performance wise it is a superb choice. Every other Option 7800x3d, 13700k, 14900k would've been much more expensive for no meaningfull (for me regarding 1% lows) performance increase.