need help asus g752 m.2 issue

[Rizwulf]

I just recently updated my razer edge pro tablet to a asus g752vt specs are i7 skylake 6th gen, 16 gb ddr4 1tb HDD 7200rpm (with two pcie m.2 ssd slots) nividia 970m and realtek sound card.
Currently i am trying to install a samsung evo 850 256gb m.2 ssd card however the computer does not see it. In Bios it says the laptop is in raid 0 but there is no way to change it nor is there an option to adjust it. In my desktop there also is no luck in finding this as it shows nothing in my laptop.
the reason i need to upgrade to an ssd is because this laptop is so slow 1:30sec startup and then also a full slow startup on applications nivida geforce takes 4 min when i open up task manager and watch the hardrive it is maxed out 100% its really sad. i plan on cloning the c drive and games i want to the 250gb ssd as it will significantly speed up this computer. frame rate on ultra high fallout 4 will go from 58-48 to 60+
Just wondering if anyone could find anything as this is a new system or have any ideas.

[The Muppet Surgery Special]

I would just avoid M.2 and get an M.2 to Sata adapter and slot it in the HDD bay :) Then you can clone via USB/Sata adapter to the inner HDD (now SSD).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Next-Generation-Form-Factor-Adapter/dp/B00V9SJA4E/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1452473101&sr=1-1&keywords=m2+sata+adapter

I upgraded a G55, similar in build to those I think, and it required a teardown to access PCI-E and the M.2 was on the main PCB. Awful (unlike the G60's).

I found this..

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?81492-G752VT-RH71-Bios-stuck-in-quot-RAID-quot-mode

Seems to be fixed in RAID for their M.2 slot, looks like M.2 SATA enclosure is your only bet.

Asus have been making terrible designs (for upgradability and repair) in their later models (post 2012), pre 2012 models were great at modification/upgrading/repair. Great cooling though, bad inner access.

[Rizwulf]

its super easy to get to and there are two slots for it. the hdd has a decent 1tb and would be a waste to put a 250gb ssd to replace it i would rather return it get an evo 850 500gb ssd standard and clone it but im trying to make this work asus tech support told me to go to best buy ha... yea right they wont know what ssd hard drive is especially m.2

[The Muppet Surgery Special]

引用自 ZioNLioNKinG：

its super easy to get to and there are two slots for it. the hdd has a decent 1tb and would be a waste to put a 250gb ssd to replace it i would rather return it get an evo 850 500gb ssd standard and clone it but im trying to make this work asus tech support told me to go to best buy ha... yea right they wont know what ssd hard drive is especially m.2

Not on the G55 models lol. I know, I just did a teardown to upgrade a 802.11n to 802.11ac. I also did a G60, simply a joy to access, with a huge trap door and everything accessible :)

But the M.2 looks to be FIXED in RAID mode on Asus. That is how they intended it to be used, which is stupid really. Raid0 is not raid :) If you want raid, get a NAS.

So looks like you need one of these or similar. Check the height of the HDD bay, I assume it is normal and not slim.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Next-Generation-Form-Factor-Adapter/dp/B00V9SJA4E/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1452473101&sr=1-1&keywords=m2+sata+adapter

You COULD check the bios mod website or put in a request to have a modified bios to unlock raid mode, if possible (see https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/ ).

[Rizwulf]

that does require a tear down along with replacing the ram on the top as there are 4 total spots to install ram 2 on top pre installed and 2 on bottom open for me to put two 16gb ddr4 in. maybe in the summer ill change them up to 32gb or 64gb for no reason at all lol as 16gb is plenty.

[The Muppet Surgery Special]

引用自 ZioNLioNKinG：

that does require a tear down along with replacing the ram on the top as there are 4 total spots to install ram 2 on top pre installed and 2 on bottom open for me to put two 16gb ddr4 in. maybe in the summer ill change them up to 32gb or 64gb for no reason at all lol as 16gb is plenty.

If you ever go into the laptop, use your mobile camera to take pictures of major components. Saves you opening it up later for part numbers.

I am also replacing my DVD with a SATA tray. Dual SSD+HDD (scratch drive to save WLC on the SSD for non performant tasks, downloading for example or temp files).

I would just stop at 16 GiB on that laptop, unless you expect longer life of use and memory changes over, buy before the prices rise (I just DDR2 upgrades on other laptops and omg the prices). I run 16 GiB on my G55 with multiple VirtualBox instances running and couple of games no problems and still ram left over :) And when you upgrade to another laptop, just stick Linux on it later.

[darkkterror]

This is from page 98 of the manual for the Asus g752vt found here[dlcdnet.asus.com]

The M.2 2280 slot does not support M.2 SATA SSD

The 850 EVO M.2 is a SATA SSD. You would need a 950 M.2, which is a PCIe NVMe SSD.

By the way, I work at Best Buy.

[The Muppet Surgery Special]

引用自 darkkterror：

This is from page 98 of the manual for the Asus g752vt found here[dlcdnet.asus.com]

The M.2 2280 slot does not support M.2 SATA SSD

The 850 EVO M.2 is a SATA SSD. You would need a 950 M.2, which is a PCIe NVMe SSD.

So M.2 standard, has multiple modes that are incompatible? I assume you cannot use an M.2 802.11 module in any M.2 slot?

Since it is replacing PCI-E, would it not support any type of M.2 module function?


Glad I didn't get any M.2 stuff for my G55. Looks a bad idea anyway, since it requires a teardown lol.

[Rizwulf]

thats bs i call bs as it is a dual style two slot rather one so it should read it at the very least something is there. i did see that as well and i feel like it shouldnt mater if its set up like that

[darkkterror]

引用自 The Muppet Surgery Special：

引用自 darkkterror：

This is from page 98 of the manual for the Asus g752vt found here[dlcdnet.asus.com]



The 850 EVO M.2 is a SATA SSD. You would need a 950 M.2, which is a PCIe NVMe SSD.

So M.2 standard, has multiple modes that are incompatible?

M.2 is a form factor, not an interface. As a form factor it can support multiple interfaces, such as SATA, PCIe, and USB 3.0. It is up to the manufacturer of the device to determine what interfaces to support with their M.2 connectors.

[The Muppet Surgery Special]

引用自 darkkterror：

引用自 The Muppet Surgery Special：

So M.2 standard, has multiple modes that are incompatible?

M.2 is a form factor, not an interface. As a form factor it can support multiple interfaces, such as SATA, PCIe, and USB 3.0. It is up to the manufacturer of the device to determine what interfaces to support with their M.2 connectors.

So there is no standard on the pins, I would imagine there would be :)

Key ID Notched pins Provided interfaces
A 8–15 PCIe ×2, USB 2.0, I2C and DP ×4
B 12–19 PCIe ×2, SATA, USB 2.0 and 3.0, audio, UIM, HSIC, SSIC, I2C and SMBus
C 16–23 Reserved for future use
D 20–27
E 24–31 PCIe ×2, USB 2.0, I2C, SDIO, UART and PCM
F 28–35 Future Memory Interface (FMI)
G 39–46 Reserved for custom use (unused in the M.2 specification)
H 43–50 Reserved for future use
J 47–54
K 51–58
L 55–62
M 59–66 PCIe ×4, SATA and SMBus

[darkkterror]

引用自 The Muppet Surgery Special：

引用自 darkkterror：

M.2 is a form factor, not an interface. As a form factor it can support multiple interfaces, such as SATA, PCIe, and USB 3.0. It is up to the manufacturer of the device to determine what interfaces to support with their M.2 connectors.

So there is no standard on the pins, I would imagine there would be :)

The pins are standard as part of the form factor, but whether or not all those pins actually connect to something is not. Just because all the pins are there doesn't mean the motherboard actually connects anything to them. It's like how you can have a physical 16x PCIe slot but electrically only 8 PCIe lanes are connected.

[The Muppet Surgery Special]

Simple solution seems to be get an M.2 SATA 2.5" case adapter and replace the HDD.

Perhaps even replace the DVD drive with a SATA ODD HDD adapter and run a dual SSD+HDD setup later. No need for DVD's anyway (can use an external USB ODD drive if need be) and boot from USB for other stuff. You can also get a external USB case to put your "extracted" ODD drive into :) That is my plan for my G55. SSD+HDD and ODD moved into an external USB enclosure. Most laptops will only come with one HDD/SSD slot in favour of on PCB M.2 slots. (Love my G60 dual HDD though - except the temps, could make that a triple HDD setup lol). They have cases/enclosures/replacements for everything on laptops nowdays :) Just buy in on Amazon from China/Hong Kong to save money, takes a week or so longer though.

ASUS are moving more and more to less modular designs. More into unmodifiable designs. Sucks though. That trend started circa. 2012 I think.

As companies compete on lightness and thin form factors, you can kiss upgradability/modifiability goodbye :( I blame Apple :) And the move to Solid State.