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You'll be CPU bound, meaning limited anywhere the CPU cannot process things fast enough. That will be especially true for games that use a lot of floating point or memory operations.
RTX 4000 series is over-priced. The RTX 4070 should actually be RTX 4060. Nvidia upped the nomenclature so they can up the price. Don't be fooled by this tactic, you must pay strict attention to the marketing.
Nvidia's marketing team is genius level and if you're not smarter than them, there's a good chance you'll fall victim to their products. There's nothing physically wrong with their GPUs, mind you. The problems lies in the value. These GPUs simply cost too much, period.
I just did a quick google search on the RTX 4070 and I saw $500-$600 prices for something that is really a 60 series on a hardware level. So, you're paying 70 series tier pricing for 60 series performance and hardware configuration.
Do you see where this makes no sense, unless you're into throwing money away?
"BUT! The 40 series is more efficient!!11"
^^
Yeah, it's more efficient because you get less vram, less bus interface, less cuda cores etc.. basically less graphic to power, so yeah, more efficient.
Take the RTX 4060 for example. This should really be called RTX 4050 because you don't even get a full card. You get 8 express lanes in a 16 lane size format (STUPID!!) You get less vram, less cuda cores. This design is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb that vendors decided to put SSDs on the GPUs so the express lanes at least wouldn't go to waste. This is how cheap and stingy nvidia is and is the exact reason why I will never even explore their GPUs anymore, much less actually buy them.
That whole line up is just complete garbage value
It's a 6th Gen where as we're on 14th Gen. A lot has happened in that time.
Seeing how you went with a 4070 you could pair it with a 12 Gen i5 core if you plan on going with the Intel route. 13 Gen and 14 Gen seems to have had a bit of stability issues but not sure how wide spread it is.
I have the i5 12600KF one and it's good. But this also means a new motherboard.
I would go for AMD build though. And you will need AM5 CPU and Socket AM5 Motherboard. AMD tend to support there motherboards longer than Intel.
I would recommend replacing the Corsair psu with seasonic
A 6600k is a 9 year old processor. That's three full upgrade cycles behind the curve.The 4070 super was released this year and is among the last batch of new higher end G.P.Us. They're fairly mismatched. The 4070 will be bottlenecked by the 6600k, which is when poor performance in one part of the P.C. causes performance in another part of the P.C. to suffer.
Bottlenecks are important to keep in mind so that you don't overspend on one component and underspend on another.
The biggest flaw with this build is how much you're spending on the C.P.U. cooler. The cooler is one of the last things you should concern yourself with, and you shouldn't spend much on it until you pass the point of diminishing returns for your processor, and even then you shouldn't necessarily try to go top of the line.
You're spending $280 on it.[nzxt.com]
You could instead spend $65 on a Thermalright Frozen Prism 360 Black A.R.G.B.[www.amazon.com] and get fairly admirable cooling for $115 less, which is enough to get you an A.M.D. Ryzen 5 5600 G.T.[http//AMD+Ryzen+5+5600GT] with $5 leftover
Though minimally, you'll need another $55 in your budget to get the cheapest $60 motherboard that will accommodate it[www.amazon.com]. That's not too hard. You've kind of gone for upper end components all over the place where you could maybe stand to downgrade to a comparable component and save some cash and the R.G.B. tax is insane.
However, to be quite frank, I'm thinking that a 5600gt is still a bit too weak for a 4070 super, so I'm thinking the easiest way to go about it is to downgrade the graphics card a bit to achieve a better balance. Downgrading the G.P.U. to an XFX RX 7900 G.R.E.[www.amazon.com] at $530 would probably do the trick.
Not that I'm necessarily saying a 5600gt and a 7900 G.R.E. are a good match, or that it's worth using a $65 liquid cooler on a 5600gt. I'm just saying it'd be a much better match than a 6600k and a 4070 super and much more sensible spending compared to the originally chosen components.
Also, a fair number of games request a 6700k as minimum spec., so I wouldn't really try to build a new system with a 6600k.
What parts do you already have anyway? Are we working with a clean slate, or are you upgrading an old build?
We're now nearly a year out from Windows 10 losing support, so anything that won't officially support Windows 11, at this point, should not be under consideration if you're in the buying market (this has mostly been true for the last year already).
You could remain on Windows 10 in unsupported status, or you could move to Windows 11 unofficially, but I'd recommend neither.
Linux is a better option past that point.
That being said, besides the platform, the rest of the hardware is alright, so you might consider that you could buy it for that and replace the CPU and motherboard (DDR4 could be reused on AM4), but that's presuming...
A. You know how, and are willing to, do that, and...
B. The price is cheap enough that you can buy that and effectively ditch two of the parts for two new parts, and have that collective total come out to lower than whatever it'd cost to just build it new. I... have my doubts on that, but without knowing the price, it's hard to say. It's likely they are using the rest of the hardware to pad value to a worthless platform though, probably after trying to upgrade it and realizing it's too far gone on performance.
i5 would be a quad core, no ht
its lower than a new i3, almost a pentium g performance
generally a new i5 is good enough for games
the rest is very good tho
if you want to keep the ram
r5 5600x and b550 board will be around $250
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zfjggb
and well worth the upgrade to it
if you can get it for under $900, that could be a good build for its price
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/32mdZJ
AM4 is in a very percarious situation right now. Even with the problems Raptor Lake C.P.U.s are experiencing, AM4 is still a dead platform, and nobody is reporting problems with Alder Lake, so alder lake still competes well with most of AM4 even without the forward facing upgrade path to raptor lake.
You’re looking at the Asrock B660M[www.amazon.com] as being an entry point into LGA 1700 for $90 and a 12600kf for[www.amazon.com] $160, and you are spending $250.
A 12600kf slays any AM4 chip from the 5800x down, and I’d suppose that motherboards built for a newer socket are built to handle more at the bottom end than an older socket.
You’re only maybe looking at AM4 being worthwhile if the combined cost of the parts is a fair bit below $202 (at which point the 12400f[www.amazon.com] is an option) or you’re looking at maybe getting a 5700x3D for v-cache on the cheap or maybe a 5900xt when that launches.
But let’s say the problem with Raptor Lake instability gives you the blues. We’re still probably not looking at spending $250 on AM4, because we’re starting to look at lower end AM5.
The 7600x exists[www.amazon.com], as does the M.S.I. PRO A620M-E[us-store.msi.com]. We’re looking at a $265 investment there, and we’re looking at 16 gigabytes of the very cheapest D.D.R.5 R.A.M. only being $41[www.amazon.com], which is $6 cheaper than the G. Skill Trident R.A.M. chosen.
So we’re looking at $260 securing yourself a spot on the AM5 platform and being far, far more future proof than you would be if you went with AM4 parts, even if we are scraping the bottom of the barrel of AM5.
Well, unless the lack of rainbowpuke L.E.Ds. On the R.A.M. is a deal breaker. The cheapest rainbowpuke D.D.R. 5 R.A.M. is a bit pricier.
But even so, if rainbowpuke is so precious you're probably going to want an R.G.B. P.S.U. too, and LGA 1700 is still an option if D.D.R. 4 is desirable for any reason.
which would put you about $350, or $450 if you want ddr5
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWC2Jy
another thing, he will need to get the adapter for the cpu cooler, to be able to reuse that for the am4/5 or intel 1700 sockets
using the 5600x with new board and the old ram, would save much more and not be too far off in performance
Even if she is upgrading a 6600k and reusing existing ram, the Asrock B660M with 12600kf is the motherboard/cpu combination to get at $250 in my opinion. LGA 1700 has D.D.R. 4 motherboards and D.D.R. 5 motherboards, making it the last D.R.R. 4 platform. The B660m is a D.D.R. 4 compatible motherboard., so any which way you slice the cake, you’re using the same R.A.M. on the 5600x as you are on the 12600kf, and on either you can reuse 6600k R.A.M.
Yes a 12700k is better, but as you pointed out, it’s a higher price bracket. Going past i5 hits the point of diminishing returns for most people anyway. I7s and i9s are prosumer chips for highly multi-threaded workloads.
12600k is good enough for the price. Beats a 5600x by a few product tiers[www.forbes.com], so it doesn’t even have to be at full perf.
More importantly though, even if the 12600kf is too strong for the specified motherboard, the 12400f beats a 5600x, and a 12400f[www.amazon.com] ($112) is cheaper than a 5600x[www.amazon.com] ($135). It’s almost as cheap as the 5600gt ($105)[www.amazon.com]. Also, either way, the upgrade path sucks, so I'm not factoring that in. (Well, actually, Intel might fix the raptor lake problems with a microcode patch come August[community.intel.com]. If that really works, LGA 1700 wins on upgrade path too.).
The only thing that really makes a 5600gt worth considering over a 12400f are the integrated graphics and the fact that AM4 motherboards undercut LGA 1700 motherboards, and a 5600x just simply costs too much for what it is.
At this point in time a 5600x only maybe makes sense if you bought an AM4 motherboard previously and want to replace the C.P.U., because the $22 premium you’re spending on it over a 12400f is less than the cost of a replacement motherboard. This describes most the mid-range Zen 3 chips, and maybe some of the high end ones too. However, this isn’t the usage case we’re considering here.
At any rate, unless Maria gives us some of that information I mentioned at the beginning of this post, it is hard to advise on how she should proceed.
Maybe looking for an MB/CPU swap in the near future, those are outdated.
Everything else is fine by me.