Guydodge 22 jul. 2024 às 0:26
AMD degradation as well
and most tech youtubers ive been telling you quit listening to them.replace your bad cpu and ignore youtubers garbage vids.take care of yourselves.heres the real !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oicPuP-iDg0
Última alteração por Guydodge; 22 jul. 2024 às 0:41
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A&A 22 jul. 2024 às 0:50 
Originalmente postado por A&A:
The data is probably not very accurate. Take it with a grain of salt.

i5 13400F's max VID ≈ 1.2v
i9 12900K's max VID ≈ 1.25v
i5 13600K's max VID ≈ 1.3v
i7 13700K's max VID ≈ 1.35v
i9 13900K's max VID ≈ 1.4v
i9 14900K's max VID ≈ 1.5v

They are the same architecture and the same used lithography after all…
And I'm not surprised AMD is doing this either, but those single core frequencies are losing their purpose for desktops and only seem great for low power devices or laptops where you have more strict power and thermal limits.
Última alteração por A&A; 22 jul. 2024 às 0:57
Guydodge 22 jul. 2024 às 0:58 
a little more info and advice replace//RMA your cpu NOW as i did and use intel baseline settings or do it manually.save yourself a lot of trouble.ive been running 100% stable ever since.INTEL replaced mine no questions asked.. a 13900k they even 2nd day aired it back.

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/intel-clarifies-what-bios-settings-13th14th-gen-cpus-should-be-used-for-power-and-current/
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Caldari Ghost 22 jul. 2024 às 3:35 
cringe
Shaggin'Wagon 22 jul. 2024 às 4:18 
I'll save you the effort of clicking on the video: The video is posted by some random unknown person on youtube with only 31K subs. They are literally nobody. The entire video they are insulting the actual well-known youtubers (Wendell, Linus, Steve, Hardware Unboxed, Jayz, etc). It's just a rant video. Honestly they sound unhinged and excessively use foul language for no reason.
Raoul 22 jul. 2024 às 4:52 
Originalmente postado por Guydodge:
a little more info and advice replace//RMA your cpu NOW as i did and use intel baseline settings or do it manually.save yourself a lot of trouble.ive been running 100% stable ever since.INTEL replaced mine no questions asked.. a 13900k they even 2nd day aired it back.

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/intel-clarifies-what-bios-settings-13th14th-gen-cpus-should-be-used-for-power-and-current/

Hard to say if it's actually "degradation" which is a thing that goes back 15 years in the overclocking community and already well known or a manufacturing issue by Intel being the actual problem as not a lot of people will even know the difference or how to even diagnose between a booting system with a defective CPU that produces errors more than usual if not outright crashing. Seems likely that it is a manufacturing issue as server boards are designed to run at stock anyway and having a high failure rate in those environments is not acceptable.

Your RMA returned CPU might be just as bad as the one you sent in is the issue.
Shaggin'Wagon 22 jul. 2024 às 5:53 
Originalmente postado por Alice Liddell:
All influencers are literal nobody's and should never be listened too.
At least the other ones aren't assaulting our ears with swear words every other sentence and try to make videos about insulting other youtubers. 🤮
Rod 22 jul. 2024 às 7:00 
Originalmente postado por Guydodge:
and most tech youtubers ive been telling you quit listening to them.replace your bad cpu and ignore youtubers garbage vids.take care of yourselves.heres the real !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oicPuP-iDg0

Omg you posted frame chasers!!! Thats unreal bro!!! After the lies about amd dip? This so called youtuber has a track history of being unhinged and a telling porkies. The way he talks and his crazy eyes is why his channel has so few subs.



Also GN etc were aware of his amd dip claims and chose not to even investigate. Because they knew this guy was clickbaitibg and the truth was he overclocked the memory too much and it caused instability. Except on AM4 memory does not crash it will stutter and hang first and frame chasers made an entire video accusing amd of being unusable.


Collective LOL everyone! A youtuber who does not even understand how memory instability works. Just search for his amd dip video and lol all night long.


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C1REX 22 jul. 2024 às 7:54 
FrameChaser is controversial, rude, and easy to dislike. However, if AMD single-core boost runs with 1.5V, it may potentially accelerate degradation as well. It may be slower due to lower wattage and temperatures but still be present. We may know the answer in a few years. Or not, and we will keep blaming bad PC ports for crashing and stuttering.
AbedsBrother 22 jul. 2024 às 8:09 
I'll tell you what I've noticed in my Ryzen system. Whatever power plan you've chosen in Windows:
Edit Power Plan > Change advanced power settings > Maximum Processor state

If maximum processor state is 100%, the cpu runs at a constant 1.456V. If I set maximum processor state to 99%, the cpu will run at 1.038V for nearly all non-intensive desktop tasks, scaling up and down with load.

I didn't learn this until after my 3700X had degraded with frequent blue screens and crashes. Running a 5950X now and it's still true, whether running Balanced, High Performance, or either of the Ryzen-specific power plans. I'm running 99% max rn and the cpu is at 1.038V as I type this. I don't upgrade my cpu often, so hopefully this will help it last a bit longer.
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smokerob79 22 jul. 2024 às 8:55 
this video is a sad joke from someone that just wants to have a rant......AMD is not having intel problems.....get over it kid......
AmaiAmai 22 jul. 2024 às 12:15 
Originalmente postado por AbedsBrother:
I'll tell you what I've noticed in my Ryzen system. Whatever power plan you've chosen in Windows:
Edit Power Plan > Change advanced power settings > Maximum Processor state

If maximum processor state is 100%, the cpu runs at a constant 1.456V. If I set maximum processor state to 99%, the cpu will run at 1.038V for nearly all non-intensive desktop tasks, scaling up and down with load.

I didn't learn this until after my 3700X had degraded with frequent blue screens and crashes. Running a 5950X now and it's still true, whether running Balanced, High Performance, or either of the Ryzen-specific power plans. I'm running 99% max rn and the cpu is at 1.038V as I type this. I don't upgrade my cpu often, so hopefully this will help it last a bit longer.

Contact your board manufacturer about that issue.
AbedsBrother 22 jul. 2024 às 14:26 
Originalmente postado por AmaiAmai:
Originalmente postado por AbedsBrother:
I'll tell you what I've noticed in my Ryzen system. Whatever power plan you've chosen in Windows:
Edit Power Plan > Change advanced power settings > Maximum Processor state

If maximum processor state is 100%, the cpu runs at a constant 1.456V. If I set maximum processor state to 99%, the cpu will run at 1.038V for nearly all non-intensive desktop tasks, scaling up and down with load.

I didn't learn this until after my 3700X had degraded with frequent blue screens and crashes. Running a 5950X now and it's still true, whether running Balanced, High Performance, or either of the Ryzen-specific power plans. I'm running 99% max rn and the cpu is at 1.038V as I type this. I don't upgrade my cpu often, so hopefully this will help it last a bit longer.

Contact your board manufacturer about that issue.
Looks like a Windows issue to me, not a mb issue. Had it on an Asrock B450M Pro 4 (Ryzen 3600 and 3700X) and an MSI b550m-vc pro wifi (Ryzen 3700X and 5950X).
Illusion of Progress 22 jul. 2024 às 16:17 
Originalmente postado por Shaggin'Wagon:
I'll save you the effort of clicking on the video: The video is posted by some random unknown person on youtube with only 31K subs. They are literally nobody. The entire video they are insulting the actual well-known youtubers (Wendell, Linus, Steve, Hardware Unboxed, Jayz, etc). It's just a rant video. Honestly they sound unhinged and excessively use foul language for no reason.
This.

I've only seen one video of this channel in the past, and in this video, they were going off on AMD at the time (literally stating "effing AMD" and "I hate Ryzen"), so it's a biased channel for one, and from the claims other make, not a knowledgeable one either.

There's something ironic about saying "don't listen to YouTubers" (when it's not just "YouTubers" behind what's going on with Intel) and then using this channel as a point. It's like using Userbenchmark or a bottleneck calculator.

This is nothing but a sad attempt at damage control based on what Intel is going through right now.
Originalmente postado por AbedsBrother:
I'll tell you what I've noticed in my Ryzen system. Whatever power plan you've chosen in Windows:
Edit Power Plan > Change advanced power settings > Maximum Processor state

If maximum processor state is 100%, the cpu runs at a constant 1.456V. If I set maximum processor state to 99%, the cpu will run at 1.038V for nearly all non-intensive desktop tasks, scaling up and down with load.

I didn't learn this until after my 3700X had degraded with frequent blue screens and crashes. Running a 5950X now and it's still true, whether running Balanced, High Performance, or either of the Ryzen-specific power plans. I'm running 99% max rn and the cpu is at 1.038V as I type this. I don't upgrade my cpu often, so hopefully this will help it last a bit longer.
What you noticed does not sound normal/stock to me. I just checked my power plan (balanced) and the maximum state is 100% and this isn't happening to me. I never noticed this on either of my two motherboards (nor across various BIOS versions) on two different Ryzen CPUs. Doesn't setting that value below 100% stop it from boosting above base clock anyway?

Some people apparently found that earlier Ryzen systems could degrade because they would give it what was too much voltage, without knowing it was too much. They would see what voltage it was boosting to by default (which can be as high as 1.4V to towards 1.5V in brief bursts on single core loads) and they would therefore presume those were safe, so they would set something like 1.35V to 1.4V for their all core manual configurations, and then people were claiming possible degradation some years later. What I've seen from both of my Ryzens (3700X and 5800X3D) is that they stay around 1.25V or so under load, and not higher. The only difference is the 3700X would briefly go higher during single core bursts (up to 1.4V or even towards 1.5V), but it was never staying there. The 5800X3D seems to see ~1.25V to 1.3V as a hard line as it never seems to pass it, possible due to the cache having more voltage sensitivity.

It turns out that there isn't so much as a hard safe/unsafe limit on voltage because it's not the only variable that matters. Higher voltage at lower power draw isn't as bad as it is at higher power draw. So what it does by default for brief, single core loads isn't necessarily safe for all core loads.
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AbedsBrother 22 jul. 2024 às 17:20 
Originalmente postado por Illusion of Progress:
Originalmente postado por AbedsBrother:
I'll tell you what I've noticed in my Ryzen system. Whatever power plan you've chosen in Windows:
Edit Power Plan > Change advanced power settings > Maximum Processor state

If maximum processor state is 100%, the cpu runs at a constant 1.456V. If I set maximum processor state to 99%, the cpu will run at 1.038V for nearly all non-intensive desktop tasks, scaling up and down with load.

I didn't learn this until after my 3700X had degraded with frequent blue screens and crashes. Running a 5950X now and it's still true, whether running Balanced, High Performance, or either of the Ryzen-specific power plans. I'm running 99% max rn and the cpu is at 1.038V as I type this. I don't upgrade my cpu often, so hopefully this will help it last a bit longer.
What you noticed does not sound normal/stock to me. I just checked my power plan (balanced) and the maximum state is 100% and this isn't happening to me. I never noticed this on either of my two motherboards (nor across various BIOS versions) on two different Ryzen CPUs. Doesn't setting that value below 100% stop it from boosting above base clock anyway?
No, it boosts normally. 5Ghz single core, ~4.6-ish all-core
Última alteração por AbedsBrother; 22 jul. 2024 às 17:41
Illusion of Progress 22 jul. 2024 às 18:00 
That's strange, and I haven't heard of it before, but it sounds like it was more than a one off since it happened across multiple boards/CPUs for you.

I see why you'd be suspecting something OS-side at that point. At least presuming this happened with BIOS defaults and with Windows from the get-go (meaning, before you started changing anything).

In any case, at least you found a workaround, but the thing you experienced is not normal on Ryzen from what I am aware. At least, I've never heard others mention that they've observed that happening.

Out of curiosity, what was/is the voltage doing when under load? That's typically what matters more.
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