[Gamers Nexus] "We Cannot Comfortably Recommend Intel CPUs"

[Illusion of Progress]

Another outlet comes out with a bold statement regarding the situation regarding Intel's CPU woes. Gamers Nexus states that until there's some transparency from Intel, they can not recommend intel CPUs.

Furthermore, statements are made that they've received tips (take these for what they're worth, mind you) that there could be oxidation occurring internally.

Worse, with AMD's Zen 5 CPUs releasing in a week, this raises questions of how, exactly, they benchmark them against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTeubeCIwRw

If Intel knows what's going on, I hope they come forward and do the right thing; disclose it, reimburse those affected, and we can move on (trust will be broken, but less broken and able to be mended sooner if they do this). If they know what's going on, and don't come forward, I hope pressure like this continues, because I don't want an Intel that I don't consider viable, because an AMD only market would be awful. If Intel genuinely doesn't know what's going on, then I hope they figure it out, and soon.

Update: Intel has released a statement.

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113

They are claiming "elevated operating voltage" is causing "instability" in some Raptor Lake desktop processors.

"Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance."

That part is a good thing. Hopefully these issues get fixed, once and for all, and without performance/advertised operating specifications being negatively affected.

Update II: Gamers Nexus has a follow up to things/to Intel's statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs

[Rod]

Originally posted by Omega:

We are watching the end of x86. Intel is dying, ARM is pushing hard. 5 more years.

And the UK nearly sold ARM! Imagine the USA selling AMD or Intel. Intel will be ok they have to take a beating for like three years now from AMD. Consumers will likely then lose and see stagnatiom from AMD but i think in the end Intel will come back with another Pentium III 920 Q6600 4770k type cpu.

[_I_]

the 14th gen setback is nothing for intel or its profits

amd sold nothing while fx was failing while they spent years developing ryzen

both amd and intel have been trading blows since they began making cpus

we need intel to survive, and nvidia in their small cpu/arm part, to keep cpu prices competitive

same with intel making gpus, something is better than nothing for the lower end gpus to help keep their prices low

[r.linder]

Originally posted by _I_:

the 14th gen setback is nothing for intel or its profits

amd sold nothing while fx was failing while they spent years developing ryzen

both amd and intel have been trading blows since they began making cpus

Intel has had the biggest hit to their market value in 50 years, their stock value is so low right now that there won't be a better time to invest in them assuming their value will rocket back up

[Omega]

Originally posted by _I_:

the 14th gen setback is nothing for intel or its profits

amd sold nothing while fx was failing while they spent years developing ryzen

both amd and intel have been trading blows since they began making cpus

It is a massive blow to Intel.

At the same time AMD is also eating away at their datacenter market share.

Intel's stock price has halved over the last 3 years, and they are about to lay off 15% of their workforce.

Intel is hurting.

[_I_]

just sayin intel has to survive this, for the better of the pc/cpu market

either offer refund/rma or compensate for performance loss in some way to the effected cpu lineups

[Rod]

I laughed so hard at Steve blowing his nose with dollar bills. Careful Steve... Someday Intel and Nvidia are going to pool AI resources and input a very simple question into the machine.


They will simply ask, What is the best way to Destroy Steve Burke?

[Omega]

Originally posted by _I_:

just sayin intel has to survive this, for the better of the pc/cpu market

either offer refund/rma or compensate for performance loss in some way to the effected cpu lineups

I don't want them to die either. We indeed need more players in this market, not less.

Well have to see how Intel climbs out of this, and if they manage to do it at all without radically changing the company.

[A&A]

Surely Intel will come back strong. AMD and Intel have the technology to create a processor that can top them all.

[Illusion of Progress]

Considering the government investment into Intel for its foundries, I can't see them being allowed to completely fail, but it could get so bad that Intel has to cede the CPU space and be a foundry company. I really doubt it will come to even that, though. Part of the problem precisely stems from them being behind TSMC (and ironically, their upcoming CPUs are outsourced to TSMC instead of entirely being manufactured using their own foundry processes), so they have some tough times ahead to try and catch up.

What's likely is Intel will fail to compete in the CPU space a bit, hopefully not as much as AMD did during the FX times, and AMD may slack a bit (likewise, hopefully not as much as Intel did during the early/mid 2010s). Hopefully Zen 6 is when CDD size/total core size goes up a bit, and hopefully IPC/core performance keeps going up, but I can see either being of less importance depending on how much Intel struggles to compete. I can see a near future where AMD drops SMT (Intel is dropping Hyper-threading) and AMD will need to increase core counts to counteract that, since Intel is already pretty competitive in multi-threading. But that's assuming they stay that way.

Interesting times in the CPU market...

[r.linder]

Pretty much guaranteed that the US government is going to give Intel a bunch of money, they already do that.

[Jamebonds1]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Pretty much guaranteed that the US government is going to give Intel a bunch of money, they already do that.

The only source I found is for Investment.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Jamebonds1:

Originally posted by r.linder:

Pretty much guaranteed that the US government is going to give Intel a bunch of money, they already do that.

The only source I found is for Investment.

The Biden administration literally gave them 8.5 billion of taxpayer dollars and then Intel cut their workforce by 15%. Maybe read the news instead of wearing a blindfold and denying everything.

https://www.wired.com/story/intel-job-cuts/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/biden-harris-wasted-85-billion-in-taxpayer-money-to-lose-15000-jobs-at-intel/ar-AA1o9h5X

[Jamebonds1]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Originally posted by Jamebonds1:

The only source I found is for Investment.

The Biden administration literally gave them 8.5 billion of taxpayer dollars and then Intel cut their workforce by 15%. Maybe read the news instead of wearing a blindfold and denying everything.

https://www.wired.com/story/intel-job-cuts/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/biden-harris-wasted-85-billion-in-taxpayer-money-to-lose-15000-jobs-at-intel/ar-AA1o9h5X

As I said in the last post.

[Rod]

Intel got 20bn for the CHIPS act i thought?

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Rod:

Intel got 20bn for the CHIPS act i thought?

8.5 billion specifically from Biden and Harris to generate thousands of jobs by bringing chip production back to American soil by having Intel build more fabs in the US. At least a projected 10K jobs for manufacturing, 20K for construction, and more for supporting industries.

That was almost 5 months ago and now they're cutting 15000 jobs, possibly as high as 19000. 3000 jobs related to manufacturing, the rest from elsewhere.

The CHIPS act is a huge project that's using over 50 billion