[Gamers Nexus] "We Cannot Comfortably Recommend Intel CPUs"

[Illusion of Progress]

Another outlet comes out with a bold statement regarding the situation regarding Intel's CPU woes. Gamers Nexus states that until there's some transparency from Intel, they can not recommend intel CPUs.

Furthermore, statements are made that they've received tips (take these for what they're worth, mind you) that there could be oxidation occurring internally.

Worse, with AMD's Zen 5 CPUs releasing in a week, this raises questions of how, exactly, they benchmark them against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTeubeCIwRw

If Intel knows what's going on, I hope they come forward and do the right thing; disclose it, reimburse those affected, and we can move on (trust will be broken, but less broken and able to be mended sooner if they do this). If they know what's going on, and don't come forward, I hope pressure like this continues, because I don't want an Intel that I don't consider viable, because an AMD only market would be awful. If Intel genuinely doesn't know what's going on, then I hope they figure it out, and soon.

Update: Intel has released a statement.

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113

They are claiming "elevated operating voltage" is causing "instability" in some Raptor Lake desktop processors.

"Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance."

That part is a good thing. Hopefully these issues get fixed, once and for all, and without performance/advertised operating specifications being negatively affected.

Update II: Gamers Nexus has a follow up to things/to Intel's statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs

[Rod]

Why would anyone recomend thier dirt anyways? It uses too much power and they need some karma for all them socket changes.


AMD deserve every penny right now.

[_I_]

引用自 Rod：

Why would anyone recomend thier dirt anyways? It uses too much power and they need some karma for all them socket changes.


AMD deserve every penny right now.

new socket should be for every chipset rev, to force the cpu and chipset to be most efficient

you can run a new amd cpu on the early chipsets, but it will be nerfed by them

[Rod]

引用自 _I_：

引用自 Rod：

Why would anyone recomend thier dirt anyways? It uses too much power and they need some karma for all them socket changes.


AMD deserve every penny right now.

new socket should be for every chipset rev, to force the cpu and chipset to be most efficient

you can run a new amd cpu on the early chipsets, but it will be nerfed by them

In real life it worked out the opposite. AMD are vastly more efficent yet uses the same socket for a long time.


Intel change every year or two and they suck at efficency.

[_I_]

引用自 Rod：

引用自 _I_：

new socket should be for every chipset rev, to force the cpu and chipset to be most efficient

you can run a new amd cpu on the early chipsets, but it will be nerfed by them

In real life it worked out the opposite. AMD are vastly more efficent yet uses the same socket for a long time.


Intel change every year or two and they suck at efficency.

i mean for best cpu performance, best ipc from the same cpu as compared to different mobo/chipsets

you can put a amd 5800x3d in a a320 chipet
it will work, but not anywhere near the cpus advertised performance rating

[Agenda 2025]

I put a derbauer Thermal Grizzly contact frame on my motherboard to keep the i9 14900k from bending. Lowered Temps!

[Rod]

引用自 Philco7a：

I put a derbauer Thermal Grizzly contact frame on my motherboard to keep the i9 14900k from bending. Lowered Temps!

And yet it still loses to a 7800x3d. Dont you see the problem? How much is a 14900k and contact frame? In the UK its £230 more. Now the £230 saved is the start... because the power bill is halved on the AMD chip.


You likely save £300 and gain a few fps by going AMD 7800x3d in the long run over five years. You also do not have the worry about an RMA and degragation. I find it truely bizarre anyone bought these chips. Im not a fanboy i would buy intel if they had a good chip and they dont.

[_I_]

seriously if you are worried about a few hundred watts on your power bill, turn off the ac for a day, you will save about months worth of cpu usage in power

[Rod]

引用自 _I_：

seriously if you are worried about a few hundred watts on your power bill, turn off the ac for a day, you will save about months worth of cpu usage in power

American power uses coal and UK nearly phased it out. We pay high prices and using 600w total system power adds up. We dont use a/c either. If google is right you use 17% coal we use 1%.


I find it shameful we pay out the nose, While others burn coal. Edit yup 16-17% in 2023 in USA and 69% coal in china. Thats why your power bills to waste on 14900k is so cheap.

[_I_]

usa nuclear power plants
https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/map-power-reactors.html

[Rod]

引用自 _I_：

usa nuclear power plants
https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/map-power-reactors.html

Hardly much better? Coal and Nuclear are the two worst. America is behind Europe someday when you have to move to wind and solar you too will face our power bills. My Country has 70% renewable energy sources and in the top 5 for water and food security. :D

[_I_]

the power difference is not that huge you can save the month of power by doing other things

[Crashed]

引用自 _I_：

i have not looked into it much

is it the same kind of issue with amd x3d cpus 'exploding' due to the board overvolting?
crack dye and shorting, or something else?

Except oxide breakdown (which of course would cause a catastrophic short circuit destroying the die) has pretty much been ruled out; the Intel issues rarely result in complete failure, and have not had any notable incidence of total destruction of the package and/or damage to the socket.

[Crashed]

引用自 Rod：

引用自 _I_：

usa nuclear power plants
https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/map-power-reactors.html

Hardly much better? Coal and Nuclear are the two worst. America is behind Europe someday when you have to move to wind and solar you too will face our power bills. My Country has 70% renewable energy sources and in the top 5 for water and food security. :D

Nuclear is in fact considerably better than coal. It even has less radioactive emissions during normal operation; coal ash is notoriously radioactive yet not regulated as hazardous waste where spent nuclear fuel is handled with the utmost care, and ultimately packaged into monstrous casks that effectively shield the radiation and protect the dangerous substances from attacks as catastrophic as being hit by a train.

[Mad Scientist]

Better that you used GN and not linus.

Intel has been basically a king since ryzen, amd and Intel swapped positions for who's the best.

Ryzen and Threadripper hqge been a good punch to Intel pride. Intel got so comfortable they were making avoidable mistakes.

[Corona Scurrae]

intel 13th and 14th gen were desperately needed buffer to combat their superior ryzen equivalent.

I sincerely hope arrowlake delivers some significant improvements and by 2026 intel can finally compete with amd W for W otherwise we'll be stuck in the same hellish loop when intel was ahead and we received 4 cores for 350 quid.

it's the reason why we are seeing amd peddle a 6c/12t cpu in 2024 for whooping 350 quid. there is just no need to push ahead when your competitor is this far behind and fumbles every chance they get.