[Gamers Nexus] "We Cannot Comfortably Recommend Intel CPUs"

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Another outlet comes out with a bold statement regarding the situation regarding Intel's CPU woes. Gamers Nexus states that until there's some transparency from Intel, they can not recommend intel CPUs.

Furthermore, statements are made that they've received tips (take these for what they're worth, mind you) that there could be oxidation occurring internally.

Worse, with AMD's Zen 5 CPUs releasing in a week, this raises questions of how, exactly, they benchmark them against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTeubeCIwRw

If Intel knows what's going on, I hope they come forward and do the right thing; disclose it, reimburse those affected, and we can move on (trust will be broken, but less broken and able to be mended sooner if they do this). If they know what's going on, and don't come forward, I hope pressure like this continues, because I don't want an Intel that I don't consider viable, because an AMD only market would be awful. If Intel genuinely doesn't know what's going on, then I hope they figure it out, and soon.

Update: Intel has released a statement.

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113

They are claiming "elevated operating voltage" is causing "instability" in some Raptor Lake desktop processors.

"Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance."

That part is a good thing. Hopefully these issues get fixed, once and for all, and without performance/advertised operating specifications being negatively affected.

Update II: Gamers Nexus has a follow up to things/to Intel's statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs

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Messaggio originale di Realigo Actual:

Intel has never been as awful as Nvidia. In fact, compared to Nvidia, Intel is a model of corporate restraint.

While I'm not sure I'd make a claim that either one is definitively better than the other, I'm also not sure I'd claim intel is definitively a whole lot better. Intel definitely has a very anti-competitive past.

Messaggio originale di r.linder:

Also worth mentioning that the difference between 13th and 14th gen issues and AMD's X3D issues is that while both Intel and AMD were primarily responsible for their respective problems, AMD didn't adamantly blame everything on their partners. AMD fixed their part of the problem that was rooted in EXPO, and board partners released BIOS updates that changed SOC voltage and implemented AMD's EXPO fix.

Not only that, but it's worth mentioning that AMD's problem was not necessarily an inherent issue with a chip, because "too much voltage kills electronics" is a reality for all of them. Now whether it was the fault or AMD or the motherboard manufacturers isn't something I'm certain on (maybe it was AMD as they do the AGESA too?), but either way, AMD identified it, addressed it, worked with board partners, and got it out. It was a very limited thing that was very quickly resolved with no denial, no deflection, nothing. And they issued RMAs for affected chips; I've heard no stories to the contrary, at least.

Intel's situation is... basically different with each of those things. For one, this looks more like it might be a result of a deliberate choice they made because they wanted to push the chips to look better, knew of it for perhaps years (?), and are now demonstrating behavior that they knew or it and are hiding it. If that alone isn't bad enough, and it is, they should be recalling them if it's as bad as a real flaw with the chips, and they refuse to do that.

The two situations aren't even close to comparable. It's like the GIF or clip or whatever where the guy behind a desk has a stack of papers of evidence pointing one way, and then one single paper suggesting it might be the other way, sort of, somewhat, and the girl in front of him snatches that paper and goes "aha, I knew it" or something. It's analogous to people ignoring all the real data, and choosing instead to grasp at whatever straw they can to think of in order to pretend Intel isn't messing up here (or to pretend that AMD is messing up equally as bad right now).

The people making it into a competition about whether Intel or AMD (or nVidia) is worst are missing the point anyway. The only ones who lose here are both Intel's current customers of impacted chips, and Intel's employees who are losing their jobs (though I honestly think this goes beyond just the chip issue and is them trimming a bloated work force, as many companies have been doing lately) because they are the ones suffering.

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Messaggio originale di -iD-:

never had a single crash on my 13770kf.
gn is too hypercritical with things.

silicon lottery

they said failure rate for some has been about 50%
but may be due to other factors too

even if it is above 1% that is not acceptable

there is a reason why nasa only picks hardware that is a few years old and proven to be good for long time in harsh conditions

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never had a single crash on my 13770kf.
gn is too hypercritical with things.

silicon lottery

they said failure rate for some has been about 50%
but may be due to other factors too

even if it is above 1% that is not acceptable

there is a reason why nasa only picks hardware that is a few years old and proven to be good for long time in harsh conditions

trust me its not
they polled people already a huge amount of people don't have problems, no way is it 50%.

1-5% is nominal and probably the truth of this matter.

[r.linder]

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Messaggio originale di _I_:

silicon lottery

they said failure rate for some has been about 50%
but may be due to other factors too

even if it is above 1% that is not acceptable

there is a reason why nasa only picks hardware that is a few years old and proven to be good for long time in harsh conditions

trust me its not
they polled people already a huge amount of people don't have problems, no way is it 50%.

1-5% is nominal and probably the truth of this matter.

It was a bad production run and you got lucky depending on where those chips ended up, but there's also the microcode issues which can affect every single Raptor Lake (13th and 14th gen) SKU higher than 65W by Intel's own admission. Depending on how old your sample is, it could still present issues later because it's not just instability, the bug is causing degradation which is leading to more crashes from increased instability over time.

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Messaggio originale di -iD-:

trust me its not
they polled people already a huge amount of people don't have problems, no way is it 50%.

1-5% is nominal and probably the truth of this matter.

It was a bad production run and you got lucky depending on where those chips ended up, but there's also the microcode issues which can affect every single Raptor Lake (13th and 14th gen) SKU higher than 65W by Intel's own admission. Depending on how old your sample is, it could still present issues later because it's not just instability, the bug is causing degradation which is leading to more crashes from increased instability over time.

sure. whatever you say. i totally believe you and not polls.

[r.linder]

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Messaggio originale di r.linder:

It was a bad production run and you got lucky depending on where those chips ended up, but there's also the microcode issues which can affect every single Raptor Lake (13th and 14th gen) SKU higher than 65W by Intel's own admission. Depending on how old your sample is, it could still present issues later because it's not just instability, the bug is causing degradation which is leading to more crashes from increased instability over time.

sure. whatever you say. i totally believe you and not polls.

I don't know why you're so adamant about downplaying the issues when they're a legitimate concern and never should've been happening to begin with. Intel doesn't know the actual extent of how many chips ended up with VIA oxidation, and microcode is universal, so anyone with a 13th or 14th generation processor can be faced with degradation even with Intel's recommended settings.

Polls aren't proof of anything and it takes quite a bit of time for degradation to cause noticeable issues, just because they haven't seen problems right now, doesn't mean they won't later. Now is not the time to be going against honest journalism trying to expose Intel for causing everything and choosing to do nothing about it until they were forced to.

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Messaggio originale di -iD-:

sure. whatever you say. i totally believe you and not polls.

I don't know why you're so adamant about downplaying the issues when they're a legitimate concern and never should've been happening to begin with. Intel doesn't know the actual extent of how many chips ended up with VIA oxidation, and microcode is universal, so anyone with a 13th or 14th generation processor can be faced with degradation even with Intel's recommended settings.

Polls aren't proof of anything and it takes quite a bit of time for degradation to cause noticeable issues, just because they haven't seen problems right now, doesn't mean they won't later. Now is not the time to be going against honest journalism trying to expose Intel for causing everything and choosing to do nothing about it until they were forced to.

do you have proof besides these people who seem to be scam artists? and constantly feed people bs.

[r.linder]

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Messaggio originale di r.linder:

I don't know why you're so adamant about downplaying the issues when they're a legitimate concern and never should've been happening to begin with. Intel doesn't know the actual extent of how many chips ended up with VIA oxidation, and microcode is universal, so anyone with a 13th or 14th generation processor can be faced with degradation even with Intel's recommended settings.

Polls aren't proof of anything and it takes quite a bit of time for degradation to cause noticeable issues, just because they haven't seen problems right now, doesn't mean they won't later. Now is not the time to be going against honest journalism trying to expose Intel for causing everything and choosing to do nothing about it until they were forced to.

do you have proof besides these people who seem to be scam artists? and constantly feed people bs.

How are they scam artists when they're just journalists? They're not taking their viewers' money for this, they're reporting on things because it's the right thing to do for consumers and Intel won't do it themselves.

Based on your attitude towards GamersNexus doing good work, I'm just going to assume that you're another Intel shill. Have a nice day, not going to waste any more time on you.

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Messaggio originale di -iD-:

do you have proof besides these people who seem to be scam artists? and constantly feed people bs.

How are they scam artists when they're just journalists? They're not taking their viewers' money for this, they're reporting on things because it's the right thing to do for consumers and Intel won't do it themselves.

Based on your attitude towards GamersNexus doing good work, I'm just going to assume that you're another Intel shill. Have a nice day, not going to waste any more time on you.

he was basically homeless before he started.
they are scam artists cuz all they report on is vitriol and often they lie, do things wrong and are rarely thorough. they aren't even journalists they are youtubists who are basically technologically endowed beggars.

so im asking again, where is your proof to back up what you say and what they say?

you are clearly a nexus fanboy and take everything they feed you even if its slop.

[kingjames488]

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never had a single crash on my 13770kf.
gn is too hypercritical with things.

I mean... even if there's a 99% chance they're bad you could get lucky :P

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never had a single crash on my 13770kf.
gn is too hypercritical with things.

I mean... even if there's a 99% chance they're bad you could get lucky :P

like i said there are plenty of polls out there, its not me thats lucky, its you if you are having crashing. im above average in the polls.
ive had mine for 2 years now
and its on 24/7
so much for degradation

[kingjames488]

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I mean... even if there's a 99% chance they're bad you could get lucky :P

like i said there are plenty of polls out there, its not me thats lucky, its you if you are having crashing. im above average in the polls.

but.... how do you have a negative level of crashing?

so your CPU crashes so little it like... causes nearby chips to also not crash?

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Messaggio originale di -iD-:

like i said there are plenty of polls out there, its not me thats lucky, its you if you are having crashing. im above average in the polls.

but.... how do you have a negative level of crashing?

so your CPU crashes so little it like... causes nearby chips to also not crash?

this pc is the very first pc i have never had a crash with. i don't understand what you are talking about.
this is about the 13/14th series chips themselves crashing.
not anything else.

[Rod]

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Messaggio originale di r.linder:

How are they scam artists when they're just journalists? They're not taking their viewers' money for this, they're reporting on things because it's the right thing to do for consumers and Intel won't do it themselves.

Based on your attitude towards GamersNexus doing good work, I'm just going to assume that you're another Intel shill. Have a nice day, not going to waste any more time on you.

he was basically homeless before he started.
they are scam artists cuz all they report on is vitriol and often they lie, do things wrong and are rarely thorough. they aren't even journalists they are youtubists who are basically technologically endowed beggars.

so im asking again, where is your proof to back up what you say and what they say?

you are clearly a nexus fanboy and take everything they feed you even if its slop.

People who challange or mock Gamers Nexus or Digital Foundry are few in number, And generally frowned upon and ignored.


GN are at thier peak, And seem to regulate all the others. Or did the Linus drama go over your head? They also do detailed reviews.

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Messaggio originale di -iD-:

he was basically homeless before he started.
they are scam artists cuz all they report on is vitriol and often they lie, do things wrong and are rarely thorough. they aren't even journalists they are youtubists who are basically technologically endowed beggars.

so im asking again, where is your proof to back up what you say and what they say?

you are clearly a nexus fanboy and take everything they feed you even if its slop.

People who challange or mock Gamers Nexus or Digital Foundry are few in number, And generally frowned upon and ignored.


GN are at thier peak, And seem to regulate all the others. Or did the Linus drama go over your head? They also do detailed reviews.

i don't care, they are garbage that lead mindless sheep.
and all they do is cause false reasoning outrage.