Bad Aim 13. aug. 2024 kl. 9:03
My PC
MoBo: Asus ROG Strix Z590-E
CPU: 11th Gen Intel Core i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz
GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 4080 Super
Mem: Vengeance 32.0 GB DDR4
Sound: Creative Sound Blaster Z
PSU: EVGA 1000 G+
HD: NVMe: WD Black 1TB, 2TBx2, 4TB. Mechanical: WD Blue 4TB, WD Black 2TB, WD Gold 10TBx2

When the next Gen MB and CPU's come out, should I upgrade? I am using DDR4, so that would be an upgrade. The bottleneck between GPU and CPU will be lessened. Bus speeds will improve. And I could turn my old PC into a server. My current MB actually has a built in GPU, so I wouldn't even need to buy another GPU. Buy a 750w (or so) PSU and it is good to go, really.

Thoughts?
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BlueBangkok 13. aug. 2024 kl. 9:13 
By "next gen" MB and CPUs you mean what, exactly? AMD Ryzen 9000 or Intel "Arrow Lake"? Ryzen 9000 is already out and it loses to previous gen X3D parts in gaming, hard. We have no info about next gen Intel's performance or when "9000X3D" chips are coming from AMD.

So, my two cents: if you are unhappy about the CPU performance right now, don't wait and get a good AM5 board, DDR5 memory, and Ryzen 7 7800X3D. That will set you up for like 3+ more years, at which point you will simply drop some future 11800X3D into your motherboard and be set for another 3 years.
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PopinFRESH 13. aug. 2024 kl. 9:32 
IMO no, your system will still play current gen games at high quality settings without issue. What bottleneck between CPU & GPU; your hardware is perfectly fine. Just learn how to balance your games settings along with your system settings to give you the best experience in the games you are playing.

It seems like you are in the "making a solution looking for a problem" train of thought. You'll easily get another 5+ years out of that system... Don't waste money chasing tech and building a new rig every year or two; that is a massive waste of money. Build a decent system (which you've already done), figure out a budget range for what you think you'd like to upgrade to in the future, and pay yourself a small amount of $ into your "PC Build Fund" over the next 5 or so years. Then in 5 years you'll have a decent budget to sell your current system and build a new rig.

E.g. If you set aside $80/mo for a PC fund; in 5 years when you'll actually benefit from building a new system you will have $5,000 for the build and can build a high-end system that will last you at least another 7 years from that point. Rinse & Repeat.
GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™ 13. aug. 2024 kl. 9:43 
I can't think of any upgrades that would be meaningful. I think that computer is fine.

DDR5 is nothing to chase after since that's still meaningless. You're not missing out on anything to be honest.

I'm using DDR5 and there's nothing special about it besides running in true quad channel operation.
andreasaspenberg575 13. aug. 2024 kl. 10:55 
you cpu is a bit on the slow side and your ram might not be enough for the more ram heavy games, like final fantasy 15 but, your gpu does not need an upgrade any time soon.
Azuwi 13. aug. 2024 kl. 11:00 
Oprindeligt skrevet af BlueBangkok:
By "next gen" MB and CPUs you mean what, exactly? AMD Ryzen 9000 or Intel "Arrow Lake"? Ryzen 9000 is already out and it loses to previous gen X3D parts in gaming, hard. We have no info about next gen Intel's performance or when "9000X3D" chips are coming from AMD.

So, my two cents: if you are unhappy about the CPU performance right now, don't wait and get a good AM5 board, DDR5 memory, and Ryzen 7 7800X3D. That will set you up for like 3+ more years, at which point you will simply drop some future 11800X3D into your motherboard and be set for another 3 years.

fun fact: Ryzen 7 7800X3D outperformed both Ryzen 9 7900X3D and Ryzen 9 7950X3D in performance tests, speed and benchmarks score.
PopinFRESH 13. aug. 2024 kl. 11:03 
Oprindeligt skrevet af andreasaspenberg575:
you cpu is a bit on the slow side and your ram might not be enough for the more ram heavy games, like final fantasy 15 but, your gpu does not need an upgrade any time soon.

wut? Nothing in their system needs an upgrade at all. They are way above the recommended specifications for Final Fantasy XV.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Final Fantasy XV Store Page:
RECOMMENDED:
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS *: Windows® 7 SP1/ Windows® 8.1 / Windows® 10 64-bit
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-3770(3.4GHz and above)/ AMD FX™-8350(4.0 GHz and above)
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060 6 GB VRAM / Radeon™ RX 480
DirectX: Version 11
Storage: 100 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectSound® compatible sound card, Windows Sonic and Dolby Atmos support
Additional Notes: 1080p 30fps

They'd easily be able to play FFXV at high quality settings, 4K, and at a solid 60+ FPS.
andreasaspenberg575 13. aug. 2024 kl. 11:41 
i have had final fantasy 15 use as much as 17 gigabytes of ram with everything maxed out. though other players have reported higher ram usage.
Mr White 13. aug. 2024 kl. 13:12 
Your computer is fine.
Bad Aim 13. aug. 2024 kl. 17:17 
Oprindeligt skrevet af BlueBangkok:
By "next gen" MB and CPUs you mean what, exactly? AMD Ryzen 9000 or Intel "Arrow Lake"? Ryzen 9000 is already out and it loses to previous gen X3D parts in gaming, hard. We have no info about next gen Intel's performance or when "9000X3D" chips are coming from AMD.

So, my two cents: if you are unhappy about the CPU performance right now, don't wait and get a good AM5 board, DDR5 memory, and Ryzen 7 7800X3D. That will set you up for like 3+ more years, at which point you will simply drop some future 11800X3D into your motherboard and be set for another 3 years.

I will never "go AMD" as you recommend. At one point I owned an AMD. That was the crappiest CPU and MB that I ever owned. I am not exaggerating when I say that I had to do a clean install of windows every 3 days or so. If I didn't, I kept getting blue screen errors from Windows.

You may ask "How do you know it was AMD's fault?" or some other version of that. Easy, AMD admitted their mistake. You might also point out "Well, at least they admitted their mistake". Yes, that is true. But if I spent the modern equivalent of $2000 for a computer that did that after about a year of use and all the company did was "Whoops", would you still be happy that they admitted their mistake? Because that is what happened.

Your next question will probably be "What CPU was this?" Fair question. I am tired and don't really feel like looking it up. But you can look at the issue of floating grounds on AMD CPU's in the late 90s.

"Well, that was a long time ago! They have changed!" Maybe. But if I was ever bitten by a rattler, I am not going to be going near another snake that looks or sounds like a rattler. AMD screwed me, they admitted that they screwed me, and they did nothing. Ford will do voluntary recalls on 30 year old cars because they found something wrong. Yes, you don't get a new car, but Ford will fix the issue for free.


Thank you for your advice.
Caldari Ghost 13. aug. 2024 kl. 18:03 
Oprindeligt skrevet af andreasaspenberg575:
i have had final fantasy 15 use as much as 17 gigabytes of ram with everything maxed out. though other players have reported higher ram usage.
I got ai war 2 to use over 20 GB lol. Framerate was in the seconds per frame by that point though
Illusion of Progress 13. aug. 2024 kl. 18:18 
Do you have further reading/information for this "floating grounds" situation? I'm unfamiliar with it, as I'm not super versed in electrical matters, and the CPUs from that time period were bit before my time. I'm trying to look into it but either my searching skills, or Google (or both), are sub-par and I'm coming up empty. I'm looking up "K5", "K6", "Athlon" (AMD CPUs from the late 1990s), and "AMD" in reference to "floating ground" and there's nothing coming up confirming a major issue with AMD CPUs of the time. Interestingly, if I look up "floating grounds 1990s cpu", stuff about the FDIV and FOOF bugs shows up, which were issues on Intel CPUs, but that is related to "floating point", not "floating ground", and it is probably bringing it up because there's... seemingly little to nothing on floating grounds issues and search might be thinking "maybe this is close enough"?

Anyway, if this issue even existed, can you explain why this gave you BSODs (other than "AMD admitted to a problem") every few days? I'm a bit skeptical, I admit. Hardware failures aren't uncommon, Windows 9x wasn't stable, software back then had bugs, but it seems like you may have latched on to whatever was possible. The reality is, almost all (if not all?) CPUs have errata and issues, most of it minor, so saying that AMD admitted to one of many once upon a time isn't the darning evidence you think it is. Especially when you claim whatever motherboard you chose wasn't that great either.

In any case, your reasoning doesn't matter. If you only want Intel, that's your choice. I will point out that it's very interesting reasoning for being biased towards a particular brand because that same brand is doing the very same thing you just described (putting out and continuing to sell unstable and degrading products, knowing they had issues while the failures continued to amass) and not doing a recall either.

To the main question, your Core i7 11700 is fine. It's just in that "aging" category where it's now old enough that nobody talks about it, because the market/tech channels/enthusiasts communities talk about the latest stuff, and the 11700 isn't that. But it's more than fine on performance, unless you've already personally decided you want more. If you have to ask, you probably haven't reached that point yet.
BlueBangkok 13. aug. 2024 kl. 22:40 
A bit of context: I myself went from Core i7 11700 to Ryzen 9 7900X3D (I got it at an amazing deal so it was this instead of 7800), and the difference in some games is massive (50% or more). So it can be a worthwhile upgrade, it depends on what you play.

As for the "I will never have AMD comment", I can't but laugh because my new PC has been nothing but rock solid, meanwhile it's Intel nowadays that has huge stability problems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs
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Azuwi 14. aug. 2024 kl. 0:06 
Oprindeligt skrevet af BlueBangkok:
A bit of context: I myself went from Core i7 11700 to Ryzen 9 7900X3D (I got it at an amazing deal so it was this instead of 7800), and the difference in some games is massive (50% or more). So it can be a worthwhile upgrade, it depends on what you play.

As for the "I will never have AMD comment", I can't but laugh because my new PC has been nothing but rock solid, meanwhile it's Intel nowadays that has huge stability problems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs

I think this only applies to 13th and 14th gen intel, I agree that new gen AMD is top tier, but older intel gen like 11th and 12th still works solid i think, but 7800 and 7900 is still faster.
Bad Aim 14. aug. 2024 kl. 0:43 
Oprindeligt skrevet af BlueBangkok:
A bit of context: I myself went from Core i7 11700 to Ryzen 9 7900X3D (I got it at an amazing deal so it was this instead of 7800), and the difference in some games is massive (50% or more). So it can be a worthwhile upgrade, it depends on what you play.

As for the "I will never have AMD comment", I can't but laugh because my new PC has been nothing but rock solid, meanwhile it's Intel nowadays that has huge stability problems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs

I will agree that the last generation of CPU's were bad, very bad. But the last guy wants me to drop Intel AND drop a very good video card that is the latest generation of NVIDIA cards just so I can go AMD. That is not on the menu regardless of my views of AMD. His agenda was to get me to drop everything and go with the brand he prefers. There is no real reasoning with him. And he had the balls to lecture me about being confined to a certain brand....
BlueBangkok 14. aug. 2024 kl. 4:33 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Bad Aim:
I will agree that the last generation of CPU's were bad, very bad. But the last guy wants me to drop Intel AND drop a very good video card that is the latest generation of NVIDIA cards just so I can go AMD. That is not on the menu regardless of my views of AMD. His agenda was to get me to drop everything and go with the brand he prefers. There is no real reasoning with him. And he had the balls to lecture me about being confined to a certain brand....

Well, yeah, it's really up to you. If you're happy with the i7 11700, keep the system and wait. If you want more performance now, get 7800X3D from AMD, nothing will get you better gaming performance, as latest Intel CPUs are a stability lottery right now, unfortunately.
You will have to change motherboard, CPU, and RAM no matter what part you pick, there is no going upward from an i7 11th gen without changing the platform.
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