New GPU, is $100 extra really worth it for only 1080p gaming ?.

[Grimaldus]

As always i've spent hours and hours checking sites and reviews on YT on
countless GPUs, and also looked into the need for more than 8gb VRAM,
which made me set my eyes on only 12Gb+ GPU's , even if i'm only playing 1080p.

Sadly i'm not made of money either so.. no 4090TI like some crazy person suggested.

I gave a friend my limitations and requirements, first i was looking at $450-500 max
for a "future proof" GPU what would last a few years, he suggested this .

ASUS Radeon RX 7600 XT Dual OC 16GB - at $450 .

But now after additional hours with more research, i finally stumbled across.

MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti VENTUS 2X - at $560 .

It's just shy over +$ 100 , but it has the 16Gb VRAM, and i actually prefer Nvidia
since i haven't used AMD for like 3 decades.

I also briefly looked at the RTX 3060TI 12Gb , it was regarded as one of the best
"budget GPU's" for 1080p gaming, but it wasn't performing as i expected in tests,
and i'd rather spend a little more money for more "future proof" .

I was looking at this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQX79HVNVcc

And testing is done in 1440p, which would make both cards perform much much
better in 1080p with max settings, but would the 4060TI still outperform the 7600XT?.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av PopinFRESH:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rumpelcrutchskin:

OP just posted that he has decent quality B450 motherboard and never mentioned anything about upgrading CPU.

Literally in the post that I quoted in that reply

"I am planning on upgrading the cpu to a Ryzen 5 7600, but that's in another few months."

Guess I missed it because he edited that line in.
Anyway it`s stupid thing to do with good quality B450 board because he could simply do a BIOS update and go with 5700X3D.

[PopinFRESH]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rumpelcrutchskin:

Ursprungligen skrivet av PopinFRESH:

Literally in the post that I quoted in that reply

"I am planning on upgrading the cpu to a Ryzen 5 7600, but that's in another few months."

Guess I missed it because he edited that line in.
Anyway it`s stupid thing to do with good quality B450 board because he could simply do a BIOS update and go with 5700X3D.

That was exactly my point.

EDIT: I was mixing up the 5600X3D and the 5700X3D in my head as to which one was the exclusive through MicroCenter. The 5700X3D for $200 is a better value than the 5800X3D at above $300. But both are better than shelling out $200 for a similar quality level B650 board + $200 for a R5 7600.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Can also go with RX 6800 that is cheaper then RX 7800 XT and still easily beats both 7600 XT and 4060 Ti:

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-rx-68xlaqfde/p/N82E16814150886?item=9SIAD2CK621354

[Zef]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rumpelcrutchskin:

Can also go with RX 6800 that is cheaper then RX 7800 XT and still easily beats both 7600 XT and 4060 Ti:

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-rx-68xlaqfde/p/N82E16814150886?item=9SIAD2CK621354

And more power hungry and older RDNA design so worse in RT.

No, for his budget a 7800XT would be perfect, and since he games currently at 1080P he will get quite a few years out of it seeing as the 7800XT is more of a 2K capable card.

[Tonepoet]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rumpelcrutchskin:

Guess I missed it because he edited that line in.
Anyway it`s stupid thing to do with good quality B450 board because he could simply do a BIOS update and go with 5700X3D.

I think he did. I was going to say he should get a 6750 xt if he's going to use it with a 3600. Then I noticed it and deleted the post once I noticed the upgrade was mentioned.

Yeah. I'm going to concur with this sentiment regarding the upgrade chip. The 5700x3D is the most sensible upgrade. In previous posts I might have advocated and argued for a 12600kf based on the techspot rankings, but I have reason to believe Techspot used D.D.R. 5 6000 R.A.M. or better in their processor comparison chart right now. The 5700x3D will perform comparably to a 7600x for $210 in games, but you won't have to buy a new R.A.M. or motherboard.

You'll save at least $80 on R.A.M. and $70 on a motherboard for an extra $10 in cost on the processor, which totals to a $120 savings. 120+560=640

On that budget you can afford an RTX 4070 Super[www.amazon.com] and the system would probably last you longer than six years, and it'll make so much more sense to do a full platform upgrade when you finally do decide the system isn't up to snuff because you'll have fully exhausted the potential of AM4.

5800X3D with a 4070 Super & 32GB a memory is a solid system that should play most games a good quality settings for the next 5 years.

5800x3D is too expensive compared to a 5700x3d. It's like a 5% perf. bump for a cost increase of more than 50%.

[PopinFRESH]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Tonepoet:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rumpelcrutchskin:

Guess I missed it because he edited that line in.
Anyway it`s stupid thing to do with good quality B450 board because he could simply do a BIOS update and go with 5700X3D.

I think he did. I was going to say he should get a 6750 xt if he's going to use it with a 3600. Then I noticed it and deleted the post once I noticed the upgrade was mentioned.

Yeah. I'm going to concur with this sentiment regarding the upgrade chip. The 5700x3D is the most sensible upgrade. In previous posts I might have advocated and argued for a 12600kf based on the techspot rankings, but I have reason to believe Techspot used D.D.R. 5 6000 R.A.M. or better in their processor comparison chart right now. The 5700x3D will perform comparably to a 7600x for $210 in games, but you won't have to buy a new R.A.M. or motherboard.

You'll save at least $80 on R.A.M. and $70 on a motherboard for an extra $10 in cost on the processor, which totals to a $120 savings. 120+560=640

On that budget you can afford an RTX 4070 Super[www.amazon.com] and the system would probably last you longer than six years, and it'll make so much more sense to do a full platform upgrade when you finally do decide the system isn't up to snuff because you'll have fully exhausted the potential of AM4.

5800X3D with a 4070 Super & 32GB a memory is a solid system that should play most games a good quality settings for the next 5 years.

5800x3D is too expensive compared to a 5700x3d. It's like a 5% perf. bump for a cost increase of more than 50%.

The OP said they have 32GB of DDR5, however, looking at the motherboard they listed it lists that it is a DDR4 board. I thought I recalled there being some AM4 boards near the transition that supported DDR5 but double checking it doesn't look like that is the case. So the OP almost certainly has DDR4; which is another reason that it would make more sense for them to upgrade to a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D if they can get it on sale for under $300. The 5800X3D has been as low as $280 which at that price point it starts tipping toward reasonable value compared to a $200 5700X3D.

Either way it would behove the OP if they are intending to upgrade their CPU in another few months as well; figure out his total budget first and then balance his funds given his current hardware. 32GB of decent DDR5 memory is going to run about $80+, along with the roughly $180 for a new motherboard and $200 for a R5 7600 CPU they'd almost certianly be able to get an RTX 4070 Super + 5700X3D. I'd also agree that config would last them 5+ years and likely longer if they are willing to gradually scale quality settings down a bit over time as games adopt new tech.

Anything above roughly a 3060 will have legs because that is about the equivalent to current consoles and their refresh cycle is going to likely be at least another 5 - 7 years.

[kingjames488]

vram is the major limiter on high-end PC gaming.

I got a 4060 in this PC and almost nothing uses the GPU properly... pretty much everything is bottlenecked on the vram and CPU.

[smokerob79]

if you can get it the 7800xt is a great card....I built 2 rigs with in the last 6 months....

seen them for as little as 450 if you are in the states....but if you are state side you can also get the 7900GRE for 550 that is a step up from the 7800xt......this will get you 5 years of 1080p gaming without question.....

point blank without ray tracing being factored a 7800xt is on par with a 3080.....

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

"let's get a $500+ gpu for 1080p"

"Let's get ddr5"

"Let's get a new cpu!1"

^^
The amount of poor advice in this thread is staggering. The OPer doesn't need anything but an updated graphic card with a little more vram and you guys are making very bad suggestions that not only waste money but are not needed for a 1080p experience.

You don't need a 5700x3d

You don't need a $500 gpu

ddr5 is meaningless

This is the most logical sense you're going to get out of this community. Unless you're willing to waste a $1000 on 1080p, which I find senseless. You could easily spend just $200, maybe $300 and get what you need.

[UserNotFound]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Grimaldus:

My Hardware is .
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor 3.60 GHz
32,0 GB Corsair DDR5 RAM.
B450 Tomahawk MAX II .
750TW Corsair PSU Plat Edi.

I am planning on upgrading the cpu to a Ryzen 5 7600, but that's in another few months.

Don't bother with the Ryzen 7600 upgrade, With a B450 mobo, all you'd need is a simple BIOS update, and you'll be able to pop in a US$200 R7 5700X3D, which is way faster than the 3600 in your rig. Then, you'd be able to simply use what you have and upgrade the GPU. BTW, the RX 7800 XT is a good suggestion, with 16GB VRAM and its excellent performance, it's a very cost effective upgrade (much like the 5700X3D).

I do not just say it, I'd done it myself, I'd recently upgraded my rig:
AMD R9 5900X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme
2x 16GB DDR4 3600C16
1000W Corsair HX1000 Plat Ed

Bought an R7 5700X3D, took out the 5900X and replaced it with the former, the BIOS I had already had support for the 5700X3D so it was a simple matter of replacing the CPU. BTW, I'd neither sold off the 5900X nor have I put it aside, it went into my 2nd rig which had a 3900X + 32GB DDR4 4000 RAM + Nitro+ RX 6900XT, replacing the R9 3900X which I'd sold off to mostly cover the cost of the R7 5700X3D.

[Tonepoet]

Ursprungligen skrivet av GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™:

"let's get a $500+ gpu for 1080p"

"Let's get ddr5"

"Let's get a new cpu!1"

^^
The amount of poor advice in this thread is staggering. The OPer doesn't need anything but an updated graphic card with a little more vram and you guys are making very bad suggestions that not only waste money but are not needed for a 1080p experience.

You don't need a 5700x3d

You don't need a $500 gpu

ddr5 is meaningless

This is the most logical sense you're going to get out of this community. Unless you're willing to waste a $1000 on 1080p, which I find senseless. You could easily spend just $200, maybe $300 and get what you need.

You're not paying much attention are you? Nobody suggested that Grimaldus should get D.D.R. 5. There are two reasons we are mentioning D.D.R. 5.

The first is that he is under the impression that he has D.D.R. 5 R.A.M, which is confusing because it is not compatible with his AM4 processor and motherboard. The second is that he announced plans to upgrade to the 7600x, which is an AM5 socket chip, and the AM5 platform requires D.D.R. 5.

Far from trying to talk him up into needlessly buying D.D.R. 5 (and I agree it is needless) we're trying to talk him down into remaining on AM4 and sticking with his D.D.R. 4.

Plus, it's Grimaldus's own purchasing considerations which suggest he's willing to spend around $1,000 anyway. We're just saying if he's going to spend that much, he could get more bang for his buck by choosing a different upgrade path over what was originally being considered. I'd take a 5700x3D and an RTX 4070 Super over a 7600x and an RTX 4060 ti any day of the week.

Also, we're talking about future proofing for the next six years, with a 144hz monitor and we are right on the cusp of more demanding games becoming the norm. A Ryzen 3600 with a 6700 xt would just scarcely be enough to hit 60 F.P.S. on medium in Alan Wake II. A 6700 xt also just about does 60 F.P.S. on medium in Starfield even when paired with a 5800x3D.

Is 60 F.P.S. on medium adequate? Yeah, but let's not act like he can't make use of more horsepower even just in the here and now, esp. if he wants to push that 144hz monitor to its limit. Another reason I like the RTX 4070 Super is 'cause it's, the cheapest card in the Super Refresh, which is the most recent wave of G.P.Us.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Popin Fresh:

The OP said they have 32GB of DDR5, however, looking at the motherboard they listed it lists that it is a DDR4 board.

Yeah. I noticed that too. That's why I factored the cost of D.D.R. 5 into the hypothetical comparative 7600x build budget. I just forgot to explain it. >_<

Anything above roughly a 3060 will have legs because that is about the equivalent to current consoles and their refresh cycle is going to likely be at least another 5 - 7 years.

I expect the Playstation 6 within four years from now actually. The average lifespan of a successful console is around 7 years[gamerifacation.blogspot.com] and Sony announced the Playstation 5 is in the latter half of its life cycle.[x.com]

The thing came out in 2020, so its already been four years.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Make sure you avoid all 8GB video cards and at least get something 12GB (or more) of VRAM. It's been demonstrated that many modern games use 10~12 GB of VRAM even at 1080p now. No one should be actually spending money on any video card with 8GB or less of VRAM in 2024.

[Grimaldus]

Thanks for all the comments and advice.

I have decided to buy the MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti VENTUS 2X for now,
then upgrade the rest of my system with a new MB, R5 7600X and DDR5 Ram.
But the MB, Ram and CPU will be on the table for the next 6 months.

Reason for deciding on the 4060TI is i feel it will last me longer,
hence being a better investment over time, than a 3060.

[deadshooter]

7600xt with 16 gb vram is pretty bad value device. It's the same RX 7600 with additional 8 gbs of vram, which will have effect on a pretty rare occasions. It's better to go with RX 7800XT in that price range - more capable chip by itself and 16 Gb will be a better futureproof. Cheaper idea - 6700XT with 12 Gb vram.

CPU upgrade - 5600X3D, 5700X3d, 5800X3D.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

I would have waited a bit for the Nvidia 50 series Ti models but have fun with the Ada Lovelace GPU.