Do NOT update Bios if MSI motherboard

[Philco7a]

MSI just released a new BIOS for motherboards over this 14900K Intel fiasco. Do NOT install it, you will not be able to change any BIOS setting and will be stuck with DDR at 4800mhz speeds and unable to change XMP profile or any setting in BIOS. IF you DO install this mess, soon as your Bios menu posts in that first millisecond hit F7 to be able to click their Bios updater to revert back to your old Bios. If you don't click F7 in that first millisecond the Bios menu posts, it won't let you click anything. Appears they want to now force motherboard settings lockdown.

[Tonepoet]

I think this is rather inadvisable to be honest because the nature of the chip damage due to the buggy microcode is permanent, whereas the B.I.O.S. can be revised at a later date.

That is, unless you're suggesting M.S.I. locks down rolling back the B.I.O.S. to a prior revision after the B.I.O.S. update is installed. Do they do that?

[Zef]

Imagine buying Intel CPU's in the last 10 years lmao.

[_I_]

hmmm
either let old bios damage cpu farther, or not run xmp til newer bios fixes it

or did op just not enable xmp?

[[-iD-]]

"don't use msi bios"

don't act like this is happening to everyone man.

[DevaVictrix]

It's probably worth double and triple checking you have the correct BIOS... It might not be your fault. I'm not poking at MSI but I've experienced a mistake by them with BIOS updates. They provided a 'z170' update that was actually an x99 update, for me. It worked fine except dreadful NVME performance. After I told them they removed it from the downloads page.

They'll be working hard on those updates right now and mistakes can happen. If you think there's a real problem then tell them.

fwiw, no 1.E on this list...
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z170-A-PRO/support

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by DevaVictrix:

It's probably worth double and triple checking you have the correct BIOS... It might not be your fault. I'm not poking at MSI but I've experienced a mistake by them with BIOS updates. They provided a 'z170' update that was actually an x99 update, for me. It worked fine except dreadful NVME performance. After I told them they removed it from the downloads page.

They'll be working hard on those updates right now and mistakes can happen. If you think there's a real problem then tell them.

fwiw, no 1.E on this list...
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z170-A-PRO/support

its not possible to flash a wrong bios on msi.
he just don't understand what he is doing is all
and you can just use live update to check for your all your mobos new stuff.

[_I_]

Originally posted by -iD-:

"don't use msi bios"

don't act like this is happening to everyone man.

lol, if its a msi board, you dont have much of a choice
you can try to write your own bios, but good luck with that

[Bonedog]

MSI is lagging behind a bit. The newest bios for my z790 board is dated 6-30 and that is the 0x0125 micro code (aka the partial fix). 0x0129 is the newest Intel code so we'll see how long it takes MSi to include that in an update. I'll be waiting until after the 0129 update is out for a bit before I flash anything.

[Tonepoet]

Originally posted by Bonedog:

MSI is lagging behind a bit. The newest bios for my z790 board is dated 6-30 and that is the 0x0125 micro code (aka the partial fix). 0x0129 is the newest Intel code so we'll see how long it takes MSi to include that in an update. I'll be waiting until after the 0129 update is out for a bit before I flash anything.

M.S.I. has some motherboards with the relevant 0x129 (not 0x0129) microcode out already. 0x125 is also supposed to address it if I recall correctly, so that might be worth trying but it's a leaked beta version fix instead of the final fix, so it might not work as well (if at all). I posted a list of the first few they released the 0x129 code for in another topic, but here it is again:

• Z790 Godlike Max[www.msi.com]
  
• Meg Z790 Ace Max[www.msi.com]
  
• MPG Z790 Carbon Max WIFI II[www.msi.com]
  
• MPG Z790 Carbon Wifi[www.msi.com]
  
• Mag Z790 Tomahawk Max Wifi[www.msi.com]
  
• Z790MPOWER

They've pleged to have the microcode rolled out for all of their 600 and 700 series motherboards by the end of the month, so keep checking for updates.

Jayz tested it on the eighth It does seem to run marginally worse, but the perf. hit is negligible for the most part and remains within spec. You'll probably make matters worse for yourself by running the old known buggy microcode in the long run, because as I mentioned before, the nature of the electrical damage is permanent.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by _I_:

Originally posted by -iD-:

"don't use msi bios"

don't act like this is happening to everyone man.

lol, if its a msi board, you dont have much of a choice
you can try to write your own bios, but good luck with that

are you replying to some one else?

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

buggy microcode in the long run, because as I mentioned before, the nature of the electrical damage is permanent.

weid, you are one but.. you don't get it. the code is not buggy.
the corps that talked to that guy have a bad batch.

did you read that verve news article?
nvidia told people if it don't effect you by now you are safe.

[Tonepoet]

You mean this verge[www.theverge.com] one I showed you earlier? I'm not sure which excerpt you're talking about. Nvidia isn't mentioned once.

What I did read is this:

But Intel does tell us it’s “confident” that you don’t need to worry about invisible degradation. If you’re not currently experiencing issues, the patch “will be an effective preventative solution for processors already in service.”

But that suggests that the new microcode will prevent damage from occurring once applied to the chip if it hasn't already been damaged, not that the chip can't be damaged if you continue to run the old code just because it hasn't been damaged already.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

You mean this verge[www.theverge.com] one I showed you earlier? I'm not sure which excerpt you're talking about. Nvidia isn't mentioned once.

What I did read is this:

But Intel does tell us it’s “confident” that you don’t need to worry about invisible degradation. If you’re not currently experiencing issues, the patch “will be an effective preventative solution for processors already in service.”

But that suggests that the new microcode will prevent damage from occurring once applied to the chip if it hasn't already been damaged, not that the chip can't be damaged if you continue to run the old code just because it hasn't been damaged already.

again they say probably in that post a lot potentially etc.
no one has been hurt by this outside of those companies.
polls show this.
"But Intel does tell us it’s “confident” that you don’t need to worry about invisible degradation."

[Bonedog]

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

Jayz:penny::penny: tested it on the eighth It does seem to run marginally worse, but the perf. hit is negligible for the most part and remains within spec. You'll probably make matters worse for yourself by running the old known buggy microcode in the long run, because as I mentioned before, the nature of the electrical damage is permanent.

Thanks, yeah I did watch that video the other day. I have the Pro z790-VC Wifi and I'm watching for the update.
The reason I'm waiting to update until a good bit after the 0x129 is posted is I want to see what the analysis and consensus is over a reasonable time frame, because I don't exactly trust Intels fix to only be adjusted voltage requests and not include something dumb like, for example, hammering the cpu with constant idle c-states even under load.
I absolutely do have this system capped, clamped, limited, undervolted, and locked down ATM but it's also never crashed or been unstable even at MSIs wacky default power settings. Shouldn't have to wait very long.

*EDIT*
Yep, this is a good example of why I wait...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqyaiTUaH9A
The voltage trend sheet showing all microcode versions, first to last, is F'in scary.

[Tonepoet]

Those are some serious allegations there, and that hypothesis does not make any sense whatsoever. If Intel is trying to wait out the warranties, then why would they extend warranty service by two years[www.anandtech.com]? That is just giving the affected chips more time to exhibit problems, and if they are juicing the chips as a coverup, then the problem will accelerate, making them less able to stall even just the original period of protection.

If Intel is purposefully lying to us regarding the nature of the microcode update, then they've signed off on their own death warrant.

Back in 1995, Intel recalled all of the Pentium P5 chips over a minor floating point error error and made keychains out of them with the following inscription[www.businessinsider.com].

Bad companies are destroyed by crisis;
Good companies survive them;
great companies are improved by them.
—Andy Groove

As big as Intel was back then, they were only worth eleven to sixteen billion at the time[www.intel.com].

Now that the chips are literally destroying themselves 19 years later and they are an 84 billion dollar company, they refuse to issue a recall[www.theverge.com] over much more drastic defects, already downgrading the company status from great to good at most, but probably closer to bad considering they've been acting shady as heck. It's already bad enough that they didn't make a public announcement regarding the oxidation defect discovered in 2022, but outright lying to the customer?

Not only would that destroy whatever shred of faith people have left in the company, but it'd open them up to even more lawsuits.