7800x3d or wait?

[s T i L L]

so iam actually on a 9700kf with a 2080TI 16gb ddr4 3200 1tb m.2 ssd

iam thinking to build a new system with a:

Amd Ryzen 7800x3d
SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 7900 XT PULSE 20GB
32Gb Kingston FURY DIMM 32 GB DDR5-6000
ASUS Asus ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI, Mainboard
Thermaltake TH280 280mm AIO
be quiet straight power 850w power supply

OR...

should i wait untill the 9900x comes out? with the new motherboards?
or even wait for the 9800x3d?

what would you do in my situation?
so far games i have are actually playable. could be here and there more fps sometimes.
but in games wich comes out like stalker 2 or even gta 6 iam definatly need a new system.

[primeinsurrection]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย PopinFRESH:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

Not according to every game developer as most games have a 32GB recommended and 16 minimum. Minimum vs overkill. Every game developer and PC manufacturer agrees as they install 32 too. Its comparing what they call minimum to maximum. Every gamer knows 16GB will limit what you can play, thats not even a question. This is basic stuff with crazy arguments. I have a 7950X3D hooked up to a 7800X3D. I watch my charts as I play games. I do this stuff for a living. Any kid can tell you 16GB sucks and your GPU and CPU are top of the line. But do whatever you think.

Care to source your claims?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1245620/ELDEN_RING/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1086940/Baldurs_Gate_3/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/444200/World_of_Tanks_Blitz/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1085660/Destiny_2/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/359550/Tom_Clancys_Rainbow_Six_Siege/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2074920/The_First_Descendant/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1364780/Street_Fighter_6/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2139460/Once_Human/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2344520/Diablo_IV/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1091500/Cyberpunk_2077/

Pretty much all of the games in the top sellers list; and every single game in my recommended list, are all 16GB or less as their recommended specification and the majority are 8GB or less for their minimum requirement.

Do you have any examples of "every game developer" having 32GB as the recommended specification?

Good job finding the most simple programming, low spec, high graphics in games that you could. They are all at the borderline of his RAM still and his GPU and CPU is still an overkill. You are confirming what I am saying. Its a very stupid debate in my opinion. Im done here. World of Tanks and Street Fighter? Get real, just be honest. Most real games do recommend 32GB and require at least 16GB. I can post 1000 games with that. When do you see a real game with 8GB required and 16GB recommended lol? 16GB isnt even considered a gaming system barely. Yes that maxes out, and anyone who says it doesnt knows nothing about computers and is lying. Do what the devlopers say, they are right.

[PopinFRESH]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

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Good job finding the most simple programming in games that you could. They are all at the borderline of his RAM still and his GPU and CPU is still an overkill. You are confirming what I am saying. Its a very stupid debate in my opinion. Im done here.

So... you have zero examples of any game with 32GB as their recommended specification? I guess thanks for confirming you have no idea about the majority of AAA games system requirements.

Meanwhile you're trying to tell the OP to do pointless upgrades with little to no benefit.

Trident Z5 Neo Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s CL30-38-38-96 1.35V goes for about $120 - $130.

I'll wait here while you go find me a 128GB DDR5 kit that is 6000MT/s CL30...

and a 128GB DDR5 5600MT/s CL40 kit goes for around $460.

So again, unless the OP has an actual need for that capacity they will be far better off getting a significantly higher performing, lower capacity, kit that is adequate for their memory capacity needs.

Lastly, your weak appeal to authority doesn't make your opinion correct; and I'm gonna go ahead a "press X to doubt" that you "do this for a living".

[PopinFRESH]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

...Get real, just be honest. Most real games do recommend 32GB and require at least 16GB. I can post 1000 games with that. When do you see a real game with 8GB required and 16GB recommended lol? 16GB isnt even considered a gaming system barely. Yes that maxes out, and anyone who says it doesnt knows nothing about computers and is lying. Do what the devlopers say, they are right.

Since you edited this and clearly aren't "done here"; I gave you an entire list of the Top Sellers which all have 16GB or less as their recommended specifications. I'm still waiting for you to provide your example of a game that has 32GB as its recommended specification and/or a game that has 16GB or more as their minimum requirement.

I'm telling the OP to "do what the developers say"; because the overwhelming majority of them say 16GB is their recommended specifications.

[primeinsurrection]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย PopinFRESH:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

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Good job finding the most simple programming in games that you could. They are all at the borderline of his RAM still and his GPU and CPU is still an overkill. You are confirming what I am saying. Its a very stupid debate in my opinion. Im done here.

So... you have zero examples of any game with 32GB as their recommended specification? I guess thanks for confirming you have no idea about the majority of AAA games system requirements.

Meanwhile you're trying to tell the OP to do pointless upgrades with little to no benefit.

Trident Z5 Neo Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s CL30-38-38-96 1.35V goes for about $120 - $130.

I'll wait here while you go find me a 128GB DDR5 kit that is 6000MT/s CL30...

and a 128GB DDR5 5600MT/s CL40 kit goes for around $460.

So again, unless the OP has an actual need for that capacity they will be far better off getting a significantly higher performing, lower capacity, kit that is adequate for their memory capacity needs.

Lastly, your weak appeal to authority doesn't make your opinion correct; and I'm gonna go ahead a "press X to doubt" that you "do this for a living".

On every game they listed, he had MINIMUM specs. On his GPU and CPU he had OVERKILL specs. Im not saying anything but to go with the game specs as a guide for the games he wants to play. Im also pretty much going along with the rest of the world as far as how gaming systems are built. Most people dont even have 7800s but they all have 32GB if they are gaming systems.

[primeinsurrection]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย PopinFRESH:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

...Get real, just be honest. Most real games do recommend 32GB and require at least 16GB. I can post 1000 games with that. When do you see a real game with 8GB required and 16GB recommended lol? 16GB isnt even considered a gaming system barely. Yes that maxes out, and anyone who says it doesnt knows nothing about computers and is lying. Do what the devlopers say, they are right.

Since you edited this and clearly aren't "done here"; I gave you an entire list of the Top Sellers which all have 16GB or less as their recommended specifications. I'm still waiting for you to provide your example of a game that has 32GB as its recommended specification and/or a game that has 16GB or more as their minimum requirement.

I'm telling the OP to "do what the developers say"; because the overwhelming majority of them say 16GB is their recommended specifications.

Ok but his CPU and GPU are both far above recommended specs. Im pointing out the part that is borderline. Why do you think consoles have 32GB but lower end GPU and CPUs?

[PopinFRESH]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย PopinFRESH:

So... you have zero examples of any game with 32GB as their recommended specification? I guess thanks for confirming you have no idea about the majority of AAA games system requirements.

Meanwhile you're trying to tell the OP to do pointless upgrades with little to no benefit.

Trident Z5 Neo Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s CL30-38-38-96 1.35V goes for about $120 - $130.

I'll wait here while you go find me a 128GB DDR5 kit that is 6000MT/s CL30...

and a 128GB DDR5 5600MT/s CL40 kit goes for around $460.

So again, unless the OP has an actual need for that capacity they will be far better off getting a significantly higher performing, lower capacity, kit that is adequate for their memory capacity needs.

Lastly, your weak appeal to authority doesn't make your opinion correct; and I'm gonna go ahead a "press X to doubt" that you "do this for a living".

On every game they listed, he had MINIMUM specs. ...

So are you going to go find your unicorn game that has 32GB as the developers recommended specification and/or 16GB or more as their minimum? Or are you just going to continue playing makebelieve?

[PopinFRESH]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย PopinFRESH:

Since you edited this and clearly aren't "done here"; I gave you an entire list of the Top Sellers which all have 16GB or less as their recommended specifications. I'm still waiting for you to provide your example of a game that has 32GB as its recommended specification and/or a game that has 16GB or more as their minimum requirement.

I'm telling the OP to "do what the developers say"; because the overwhelming majority of them say 16GB is their recommended specifications.

Ok but his CPU and GPU are both far above recommended specs. Im pointing out the part that is borderline. Why do you think consoles have 32GB but lower end GPU and CPUs?

Wow... you are clueless. Consoles don't have 32GB. Both Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 have 16GB of unified memory; which since you definitely don't know what that means that is 16GB of GDDR memory shared as both system memory and VRAM. Both the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 have a system reserved portion of that memory which is not usable by developers and is held for the OS use. PS5 this is about 1GB and on Series X it is about 2.5GB. The rest of the memory can be allocated by the developer as "RAM" or "VRAM". Most are going to use about 6GB as system memory for the CPU tasks and 8GB-9GB as VRAM for GPU tasks.

But please do go on...

[primeinsurrection]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย PopinFRESH:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

On every game they listed, he had MINIMUM specs. ...

So are you going to go find your unicorn game that has 32GB as the developers recommended specification and/or 16GB or more as their minimum? Or are you just going to continue playing makebelieve?

I dont have to. All the games listed said all I needed to. His specs were all an overkill and the RAM was borderline. I said this many times. One of the last games I played was Spider man which recommends 32GB. Pretty much every tech company you google recommends 32GB. Im not saying 16GB isnt good enough or wont work, its just borderline while his other components are not. Hogwarts, The Last of Us, Star Citizen, ect have 32 recommended. PC World in an article is saying its the new standard for minimums. It doesnt have to be required, thats not the discussion. Its that its the better part to buy. You are arguing that games wont work but thats not what its about. Its that his other parts are far beyond specs while his RAM is barely on it. Any real gamer that plays games with maps or alot of teams or alot of building knows 16GB is not the limitation of what can be needed. Nobody ever says their 7800 didnt cut it in a game. And ok you are right, Xbox does use 16GB. That should tell you that is a sucky amount. Did Xbox add a 7800X3D? No lol. Unless he only plays crappy UnReal engine games, the sims, or the crap games listed then I watched 16GB cap out gaming all my life but never seen any graphics error on a 7800X3D. Why dont you show me some games that require 9800 series lol.

[PopinFRESH]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย PopinFRESH:

So are you going to go find your unicorn game that has 32GB as the developers recommended specification and/or 16GB or more as their minimum? Or are you just going to continue playing makebelieve?

I dont have to. All the games listed said all I needed to. His specs were all an overkill and the RAM was borderline. I said this many times. One of the last games I played was Spider man which recommends 32GB. Pretty much every tech company you google recommends 32GB. Im not saying 16GB isnt good enough or wont work, its just borderline while his other components are not. Hogwarts, The Last of Us, Star Citizen, ect have 32 recommended. PC World in an article is saying its the new standard for minimums. It doesnt have to be required, thats not the discussion. Its that its the better part to buy. You are arguing that games wont work but thats not what its about. Its that his other parts are far beyond specs while his RAM is barely on it. Any real gamer that plays games with maps or alot of teams or alot of building knows 16GB is not the limitation of what can be needed. Nobody ever says their 7800 didnt cut it in a game. And ok you are right, Xbox does use 16GB. That should tell you that is a sucky amount. Did Xbox add a 7800X3D? No lol. Unless he only plays crappy UnReal engine games, the sims, or the crap games listed then I watched 16GB cap out gaming all my life but never seen any graphics error on a 7800X3D.

Clueless again...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1817070/Marvels_SpiderMan_Remastered/

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Steam Store Page:

RECOMMENDED:
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 10 64-bit
Processor: Intel Core i5-4670, 3.4 Ghz or AMD Ryzen5 1600, 3.2 Ghz
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 1060 6GB or AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB
DirectX: Version 12
Storage: 75 GB available space

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1817190/Marvels_SpiderMan_Miles_Morales/

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Steam Store Page:

RECOMMENDED:
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1909
Processor: Intel Core i5-4670, 3.4 Ghz or AMD Ryzen 5 1600, 3.2 Ghz
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 1060 6GB or AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB
DirectX: Version 12
Storage: 75 GB available space
Additional Notes: 75 GB SSD space Recommended

Or is there another "Spider Man" game besides these two most recent ones which has 32GB listed as its recommended specification? Feel free to provide the link to your source for the game you are claiming has that requirement....

[primeinsurrection]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย PopinFRESH:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

Or is there another "Spider Man" game besides these two most recent ones which has 32GB listed as its recommended specification? Feel free to provide the link to your source for the game you are claiming has that requirement....

You literally just recommended in the thread right above this one that someone with 16GB and lesser components upgrade their RAM dude....

And yes Spiderman has a spec of 32 RAM. Just google it, its news on like every gaming page.

You should see how much RAM some were using on City Skylines 2. Even if that game doesnt work, thats what maps do. Maps make companies put lower specs, people with 16 try to play and the game keeps crashing and they complain, while people with 32 can build up with no issues. Think how many games people say you can only build so much and it crashes. You never hear of games crashing due to processors that are on spec.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

seems like you'll have to wait for the 9800x3d because AMD pulled an intel 14900k move with their awful 9000 series
the 9700x is barely better than the 7700x lol

[Rod]

What did people expect? AMD are on to a winner the 5800x3d was king for a long time so will the 7800x3d. AMD has no need right now to release the 9800x3d either.


They will let the consumers mull over the 9950x vs 7800x3d for a quarter at least before announcing anything.

[ZAP]

If they're launching in the next two days, wait. These probaby do higher DRAM as well since you'd need DDR5 anyway.

I'd get the 9600X if X3D is far off and upgrade later if it meant being stuck on slower DRAM going with 7800X3D.

[PopinFRESH]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย primeinsurrection:

You literally just recommended in the thread right above this one that someone with 16GB and lesser components upgrade their RAM dude....

And yes Spiderman has a spec of 32 RAM. Just google it, its news on like every gaming page.

You should see how much RAM some were using on City Skylines 2. Even if that game doesnt work, thats what maps do. Maps make companies put lower specs, people with 16 try to play and the game keeps crashing and they complain, while people with 32 can build up with no issues. Think how many games people say you can only build so much and it crashes. You never hear of games crashing due to processors that are on spec.

First, learn how to use quotes so you don't misattribute your drivel to me as if it is something I've said.

Regarding "Spider Man" having 32GB as the recommended specification, I don't need to google it; I inked the actual product page for both recent Spider Man games and quoted their recommended specifications. Both have a recommended spec for memory of 16GB. So no, Spiderman does not have a "spec of 32 RAMs"

Regarding that other thread; if you are incapable of understanding the difference between telling someone they should get 128GB of RAM for a use case that has absolutely no need for that capacity where the user would have a better experience with a lower capacity kit that is faster with lower latency, and telling a different user with a different use case they might benefit upgrading from 16GB to 32GB... well that is just a you problem.

[C1REX]

So judging by the reviews of 9700x non 3D vs 7700X non 3D I wouldn't wait.

https://youtu.be/rttc_ioflGo?si=rcqkoSeDEx1j6rMg

https://youtu.be/OF_bMt9fVm0?si=zRfBwqJNGh515ldi