Upgrading PC

[Frisky Dingo]

Hello, I'd like to upgrade my PC. I mainly use it for digital art and streaming, gaming too of course. I am having trouble understanding the difference between a Ryzen 5 3600 and a Ryzen 7 5800x. Here is the current PC, what parts could I get to upgrade for a reasonable price? Maybe like $400-600 budget? Thank you for the help.

ASUS ROG STRIX B550 F MOBO

16 GB DDR4 VEGENCE

1TB NVME SSD

NVIDIA GTX 1660 TI

RYZEN 5 3600

ASUS 144GHZ MONITOR

[Karumati]

Upgrade gpu to used 3080 and that’s it, no more budget rly.

[Caldari Ghost]

if you are streaming you may want to focus your budget on upgrading to the 5800x for the extra multitasking. Might not hurt to double the ram too.

Your current CPU uses the zen2 architecture. solid but the core count could be holding you back a bit. A 5800x uses the zen3 architecture and has more cores.

[primeinsurrection]

If I were you, I would fill up with RAM.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wrpW89

Provided you have at least 650W-750W PSU.

[Tonepoet]

I assume that's your existing setup, so in your shoes?

Tray O.E.M. 5700x: $155[www.newegg.com]. (retail $161[www.amazon.com])

ASRock Challenger Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB[www.newegg.com] $480.

Breaks budget by $6 or $12 depending, but you're getting 4 games bundled with the G.P.U. it so just take it out of the game budget.

Oh, and I wouldn't buy a 3080 knowing that a 4070 ti ties with 3090 ti[www.pcworld.com]. It suggests that the performance uplift is rather vast this generation.

Edit: I can't math. ⑨[dagobah.net] Oh well, the ASRock Challenger Radeon 7700 xt[www.newegg.com] for $390 fits within budget though, with enough spare to buy another 16 gigs of Vengence R.A.M. ($40 or less) and a Dark Rock PX4[www.amazon.com] heat sink. It still even gets you the same 4 game deal,

[BurakZG]

First priority: upgrade GPU (only if required, upgrade power supply)
Second: you can add more RAM if you see the usage is close to 100%

Upgrading CPU with this budget does not make any sense.

[primeinsurrection]

Nguyên văn bởi BurakZG:

First priority: upgrade GPU (only if required, upgrade power supply)
Second: you can add more RAM if you see the usage is close to 100%

Upgrading CPU with this budget does not make any sense.

Most games have 32GB recommended specs. 16GB is often below minimum. Playing anything with a map, he will be at 100%. Then error out of the game after the map gets any bigger. The CPU and GPU likely will barely be doing any work the entire time, they are both beasts while 16GB is well known to be insignificant for gaming. The current system is begging to be bottlenecked.

[Tonepoet]

32 is advisable but there aren't really all of that many games that list above 16 in minimum spec., and many still have it within the bounds of recommended spec. Even Alan Wake 2 claims "16 or more" as recommended.

Some games will use over 20 if you let them though, and more R.A.M. is useful for other things too though.

Nguyên văn bởi BurakZG:

First priority: upgrade GPU (only if required, upgrade power supply)
Second: you can add more RAM if you see the usage is close to 100%

Upgrading CPU with this budget does not make any sense.

Upgrading the C.P.U. may help with digital art and recording. I think 5700x is possibly the most sensible option for an upgrade on AM4. 5700x3D costs about as much as a 12600kf and a new (low end) lga 1700 motherboard, but buying a new motherboard when you can invest that in G.P.U. instead doesn't make much sense to me.

It is probably worth noting that Newegg has the 5800x planned as a best deal for tomorrow, so maybe we'll see that fall to within budget.

[primeinsurrection]

Nguyên văn bởi Tonepoet:

32 is advisable but there aren't really all of that many games that list above 16 in minimum spec., and many still have it within the bounds of recommended spec.

Some games will use over 20 if you let them though, and more R.A.M. is useful for

Nguyên văn bởi BurakZG:

First priority: upgrade GPU (only if required, upgrade power supply)
Second: you can add more RAM if you see the usage is close to 100%

Upgrading CPU with this budget does not make any sense.

Upgrading the C.P.U. will help with digital art and recording. I think 5700x is possibly the most sensible option for an upgrade on AM4. 5700x3D costs about as much as a 12600kf and a new (low end) lga 1700 motherboard, but buying a new motherboard when you can invest that in G.P.U. instead doesn't make much sense to me.

It is probably worth noting that Newegg has the 5800x planned as a best deal for tomorrow, so maybe we'll see that fall to within budget.

Yea but minimum means just barely enough to play the game with no guarantees, think about that. Recommended means you can play an average sized game. Pushing minimum means most games wont even work, especially as you add data.

[Andrius227]

Gtx 1660 ti seems like the weakest part in my opinion. Particularly with a 144hz display.

It is so bad even an rtx 3060 would be an upgrade…

[PopinFRESH]

The Ryzen 5 3600 sells used for about $80
The GTX 1660 Ti sells used for about $130-$150

If you factor include that resale along with your budget then I'd look at doing the following.

An RTX 3060 12GB goes for about $285-$300
A Ryzen 7 5800X3D goes for about $330

Both of those would be good upgrades for your budget range; and if you factor in the resale you could add another 16GB of DDR4 matching your current kit.

What is the resolution of your monitor? I'm assuming its 1080p? If so depending on what programs you use for your digital art (as those are likely where you'd see the benefit of additional memory capacity); you might be better served by looking at a monitor upgrade to 1440p rather than the memory upgrade. I'd lean toward the memory over upgrading the monitor to 1440p though as it is likely more in-line with what you're use case is.

[Tonepoet]

5800x3D is a pretty bad value, especially now that we have the 5700x3d, The 5700x3D is $90 cheaper and within 5% of the performance threshold according to Gamer's nexus. I'd never spend like 45% more on a mere 5% perf. boost. It’s just not good use of money.

Going by techspot figures we expect the substantially cheaper 12600kf to fall within the same ballpark range as the 5700x3D[www.techspot.com], except it costs $142 instead of $210, with a coupon code from newegg.

We’re looking at the cheapest LGA 1700 motherboard being the Huanazhi H610M for $63[www.newegg.com]. It lists 12600kf compatibility. So now we’re only spending $195 on a motherboard platform and processor upgrade instead of $210.

We’re also looking at the 12600kf being better than the 5800x3D for content creation on adobe benchmarks[www.pugetsystems.com], likely thanks to it being a 10 core processor though. I’m not seeing too much sense in that, except that it’s a two slot motherboard and we already have R.A.M.

Still though, we’re looking at the cheapest 4 slot LGA 1700 motherboard costing only $90[us-store.msi.com], so you’re spending what? $232 on the motherboard/processor combo? I’d probably take that over the 5700x3D. It’s only $22 more. We’re still going to need a cooler for it though, so I guess that brings it up to $243 if we include the Darkrock P4X. Two more sticks of Vengence R.A.M. will probably cost around 35, which brings us up to $275.

That leaves us just enough left over for a Gigabtye 4060 ti[www.bhphotovideo.com] at $320 or an XFX 6750 XT for $310[www.amazon.com], or an Arc A770[www.amazon.com] if you want more V.R.A.M., though if you're going Intel it'll likely be better to wait for Battlemage.

Not knowing what your P.S.U. is, I’d probably recommend going for the Nvidia card since it only draws 160 watts from the wall instead of 225 or 230. Nvidia cards are also often preferable for video encoding.

• 12600kf[www.newegg.com] $142
  
• M.S.I. Pro B760M D.D.R. 4[us-store.msi.com]: $90
  
• 16 gigs. of Corsair Vengeance?[pcpartpicker.com] $35? (Dunno which variant you have. There’s more than one product in the Vengeance line. Get what you got already. It may be even cheaper.)
  
• Darkrock P4X[www.amazon.com]$16.60
  
• 4060 Ti 8 Gigabyte[www.bhphotovideo.com] $320

Estimated cost? $606.60

Honestly, I’d rather go the 5700x/7700 xt route I mentioned earlier, esp. knowing I make out with a few games, but if you want to go more processor heavy this is probably the best way to go in my opinion.

Nguyên văn bởi primeinsurrection:

Yea but minimum means just barely enough to play the game with no guarantees, think about that. Recommended means you can play an average sized game. Pushing minimum means most games wont even work, especially as you add data.

Yeah but before you were talking like it wasn’t even enough for that. Plus the expected performance threshold is usually minimum settings at 30 F.P.S. at 720 or 1080p in reference sheets for Cyberpunk 2077[support.cdprojektred.com] (1080p), and Hogwarts Legacy[www.hogwartslegacy.com](720p). That’s kind of just only barely playable, but that’s also only if you conform to the minimum exactly, and anything suggestions regarding an upgrade to this system will significantly exceed the other minimums.

[Frisky Dingo]

Nguyên văn bởi Tonepoet:

I assume that's your existing setup, so in your shoes?

Tray O.E.M. 5700x: $155[www.newegg.com]. (retail $161[www.amazon.com])

ASRock Challenger Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB[www.newegg.com] $480.

Breaks budget by $6 or $12 depending, but you're getting 4 games bundled with the G.P.U. it so just take it out of the game budget.

Oh, and I wouldn't buy a 3080 knowing that a 4070 ti ties with 3090 ti[www.pcworld.com]. It suggests that the performance uplift is rather vast this generation.

Edit: I can't math. ⑨[dagobah.net] Oh well, the ASRock Challenger Radeon 7700 xt[www.newegg.com] for $390 fits within budget though, with enough spare to buy another 16 gigs of Vengence R.A.M. ($40 or less) and a Dark Rock PX4[www.amazon.com] heat sink. It still even gets you the same 4 game deal,

What are your thoughts on a RX 6600 core?

[PopinFRESH]

Nguyên văn bởi Quack:

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What are your thoughts on a RX 6600 core?

You'd be better served by a 3060 12GB or if you can find a deal on a 4060 Ti. The RX 6600 core is around 35% - 40% lower performance than either of those. Secondly, for your use case of streaming I'd lean toward either Intel or Nvidia on the GPU because of both better encoding quality as well as encoding performance for streaming. But unfortunately I wouldn't recommend Intel Ark yet because the driver maturity is still lacking.

I'd also concur regarding the 5700X3D being a better value since the price has recently dropped on them. If you are near a Microcenter they have them on-sale right now for $199.

[Tonepoet]

Nguyên văn bởi Quack:

What are your thoughts on a RX 6600 core?

Barely about a performance tier up from where you're at.[technical.city] Not enough of a performance uplift to justify an upgrade in my opinion. You want an upgrade to be substantial, and moving a tier up only makes it so that you might as well have done something like say bought a 2060 in the first place. That is why I'm gravitating towards the upper end of your budget rather than the lower end.