So are all Intel i5/i7/i9 13th/14th gen chips effectively defective?

[Iggy Wolf]

Based on some of the articles I'm recently reading, there's now talk of a class action lawsuit due to the instability of the Raptor Lake chips apparently being a manufacturing defect that's gonna result in most of them failing within the next 3-4 years. I mean, we're not talking about just a few gamer users here.

Entire companies and data centers probably have those chips. And I doubt they're just gonna take it lying down or let Intel off the hook that easily. It's crazy to think they could detect this issue earlier. People's PC's weren't BSODing or having the CPUs crash just because.

[Caldari Ghost]

no, just the i9's

[Illusion of Progress]

There's multiple issues going on so it's hard to say if "all are affected".

It was first noticed that many Raptor Lake CPUs were throwing some consistent crashes/errors messages. Others were unstable, sometimes from day 1.

This was increasingly more common the higher up the stack you went, but it's certainly not only Core i9s. Core i7s, and even Core i5s, have been shown to be impacted.

Intel has later come out and said all 65W and higher models are/could be impacted.

And then there's the whole oxidation thing that was supposed resolved some point in 2023... which is a whole one year window for resolution, and who knows when it started (late 2022 at the earliest, since that was when Raptor Lake was introduced and Alder Lake hasn't been affected).

The short answer is that you don't have Raptor Lake already, just avoid it.

If you do, well... you hope. Update the BIOS, limit whatever you can, and hope that two year warranty extension that Intel did in place of the recall that they should be doing instead comes in handy.

[Iggy Wolf]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

There's multiple issues going on so it's hard to say if "all are affected".

It was first noticed that many Raptor Lake CPUs were throwing some consistent crashes/errors messages. Others were unstable, sometimes from day 1.

This was increasingly more common the higher up the stack you went, but it's certainly not only Core i9s. Core i7s, and even Core i5s, have been shown to be impacted.

Intel has later come out and said all 65W and higher models are/could be impacted.

And then there's the whole oxidation thing that was supposed resolved some point in 2023... which is a whole one year window for resolution, and who knows when it started (late 2022 at the earliest, since that was when Raptor Lake was introduced and Alder Lake hasn't been affected).

The short answer is that you don't have Raptor Lake already, just avoid it.

If you do, well... you hope. Update the BIOS, limit whatever you can, and hope that two year warranty extension that Intel did in place of the recall that they should be doing instead comes in handy.

Well, thankfully, I only have an i5 10400F, and my motherboard only supports an upgrade to 11th gen, so I don't think I'll be buying a 13/14 gen CPU anytime soon. At only 1080P, matched with a 3060 Ti, even 12 gen would be overkill.

[r.linder]

Basically nothing from 13th generation can be trusted to not have the oxidization issue so it would be best to avoid it as we have no idea how many samples were impacted, and the microcode bug affects 14th gen processors with a TDP higher than 65W, which is basically all of the CPUs that actually matter.

LGA1700 is a bad choice, best bet for an upgrade is AM5.

[Corona Scurrae]

they pretty much said all desktop 13th and 14th gen from 65W TDP and up

[Heaven Fall]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Basically nothing from 13th generation can be trusted to not have the oxidization issue so it would be best to avoid it as we have no idea how many samples were impacted, and the microcode bug affects 14th gen processors with a TDP higher than 65W, which is basically all of the CPUs that actually matter.

LGA1700 is a bad choice, best bet for an upgrade is AM5.

Exactly what I do for my I7 13700k

My computer freeze on files explorer
Some rare AAA fames, very demanding I have 10 to 110fps huge drop, just recently , but I play mostly litlle indie games so i never stress too much my CPU.

I don't know if this us due to this issues

But just in case I buy a AMD 9 7950x3d

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Heaven Fall:

Originally posted by r.linder:

Basically nothing from 13th generation can be trusted to not have the oxidization issue so it would be best to avoid it as we have no idea how many samples were impacted, and the microcode bug affects 14th gen processors with a TDP higher than 65W, which is basically all of the CPUs that actually matter.

LGA1700 is a bad choice, best bet for an upgrade is AM5.

Exactly what I do for my I7 13700k

My computer freeze on files explorer
Some rare AAA fames, very demanding I have 10 to 110fps huge drop, just recently , but I play mostly litlle indie games so i never stress too much my CPU.

I don't know if this us due to this issues

But just in case I buy a AMD 9 7950x3d

Could easily be because of oxidation, I would open an RMA ticket with Intel while you still can

[A&A]

I haven't heard non K i5s to have this problem... yet.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by A&A:

I haven't heard non K i5s to have this problem... yet?

In regards to the eTVB bug, it's mainly affecting any SKU with a TDP over 65 watts, according to Intel

[Lixire]

Originally posted by A&A:

I haven't heard non K i5s to have this problem... yet.

i5 13600 non K and below are actually rebranded Alder Lake/12th gen CPUs. so those are unaffected and I believe its the same story for lower end 14th gen SKUs.

[Heaven Fall]

Originally posted by r.linder:

Originally posted by Heaven Fall:

Exactly what I do for my I7 13700k

My computer freeze on files explorer
Some rare AAA fames, very demanding I have 10 to 110fps huge drop, just recently , but I play mostly litlle indie games so i never stress too much my CPU.

I don't know if this us due to this issues

But just in case I buy a AMD 9 7950x3d

Could easily be because of oxidation, I would open an RMA ticket with Intel while you still can

yeah can do that
But for what I see Intel don't care

For everyone who have this problem
I think is better to just cry for all this lost money and buy a AMD CPU with all think needed.

Intel really screw up but screw more with their actions.

I buy mine intel CPU 2/3 years ago.
So I don't think more, time to change

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Heaven Fall:

Originally posted by r.linder:

Could easily be because of oxidation, I would open an RMA ticket with Intel while you still can

yeah can do that
But for what I see Intel don't care

For everyone who have this problem
I think is better to just cry for all this lost money and buy a AMD CPU with all think needed.

Intel really screw up but screw more with their actions.

I buy mine intel CPU 2/3 years ago.
So I don't think more, time to change

All Intel had to do was put money into righting their wrongs, but they chose money over reputation because that's what corporations do. AMD wouldn't be much better if the roles were reversed, and they've been slowly reversing roles. It's only a matter of time before it's AMD's turn to show their true colours.

[r.linder]

Intel probably isn't going to completely fall apart because they'll get bailed out even if it comes to that, and they'll eventually bounce back. How soon depends on what they choose to do.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Caldari Ghost:

no, just the i9's

no it's not...

I'm pretty sure I've got at least some issues on a 13700f... not even a performance chip.

hopefully it's something they can fix with the microcode update and it's not fried it's self due to being a less demanding chip :S

[Tonepoet]

The microcode issue seemingly affects all Raptor Lake chips, but Intel claims a microcode update applicable via a B.I.O.S. update. Intel claims the oxidation issue only affects an unknown range of chips produced sometime in 2023. Whether or not you trust them on this, given that they did try to sweep the whole issue under the rug, is up to you.

I kind of do trust them on this myself. Why?

The first reason is most of the complaints we're seeing regard 13th gen. chips specifically
The second reason, the time they would have been most likely to spot the defects are when changing the fbrication process for 14th gen. The third reason is because for pretty much as I can remember, each Intel motherboard generation so far has only supported two chips, so I suspect maybe they spotted the oxidation issue and decided to refab gen. 13 into gen. 14 while fixing it.

Regarding the microcode fix, I would suggest disabling turbo and taking this as an opportunity to play some of the lower spec. games in your backlog at least until august. If your chip has been affected, the damage is irreversible, so also consider requisitioning an R.M.A.

Regarding oxidation however, it's a physical manufacturing defect, and the unfortunate fact of the matter is that regardless of whether or not all raptor lake chips are affected, we have to act as if they are until Intel gives us a means of distinguishing between the defective and non-defective ones via serial numbers or date codes. Once again, requisitioning an R.M.A. if you think you have 2013 stock should be considered.

If you buy into L.G.A. 1700 at this point in time, you buy into it understanding that you might only be making use of alder lake chips.

It's just about the best possible timing for A.M.D. for this to happen because anybody seeking high performance chips is definitely going to go team red over this, because it should drive new customers to their platform. Anybody building a new system seeking the performance of a $200+ chip should go with Zen 5. I might even suggest going with Zen 5 over Lunar Lake because of how Intel tried to sweep the whole ordeal under the rug and refuses to voluntarily conduct a recall[www.theverge.com]. You can't have much faith in a brand when they try to pull a stunt like that.

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Edit: Apparently they are offering a two year extended warranty though.[www.zdnet.com]