4070ti power supply?

[Das Licht]

I had already bought a new case 2 years ago and a 600W
“Be-quiet! Pure Power 11” power supply two years ago, and it was supposed to be for my current older computer. I haven't used the case yet, but I already had the power supply installed. It's sitting around in a plastic case like this ^^
Now I wanted to build a completely new system, just use the case and power supply.

probably an MSI DDR5 board
i7 13700kf
if the MSI, then G. Skill 32GB DDR5
GigaByte RTX 4070 Ti EAGLE OC 12G


Can I still manage with the power supply? I don't want to buy a new one because it hasn't even been used yet.


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[Ralf]

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Then the good 600 would be enough, wouldn't it?
After all, 50W is not self-destruction.^^

576W split between two rails, so 74W less.

The 4070 Ti asks for 750W PSU and consumes 300W, 13700K pulls 250W, so cpu+gpu alone on full load is already cutting close on 576W.

I would rather go with 4070 Super, the regular 4070 isnt worth it and the Ti only if it's cheap and I would avoid Intel, they admitted that there's an oxidation issue which software can't fix.
Go with Ryzen 5 7500F and 4070 Super or 5700X3D and 4070 Super or the Ti, you want to invest in a dead platform anyway.

[Das Licht]

I'm of the same opinion, but I can't.

I have a maximum of 1200 euros at my disposal and that breaks with the Super, which costs at least 850 euros.
And it requires a different power supply in any case.
I'm not a freak and I don't have to have a Neon. I also don't have to have superfluous frames. 60 frames are the reality of the eye. And the 4070 achieves this almost everywhere with maximum settings.
I know that the ti is just below the Super and the 4070 (as already mentioned) is 10-25 frames below a ti. That hurts, but it also costs a lot more.
But that's ok.

I can't keep adding more money when I have a limit.

My configuration is:

7800X3D

Gigabyte Gaming X AX V2 AMD B650 So.AM5 DDR5 ATX
or
Gigabyte AORUS Elite AX V2 AMD B650 So.AM5 DDR5 ATX

2x16 GB DDR5

GeForce 4070 WINDFORCE OC 12G

be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black Tower


I have a be quiet! Pure Base 600 and everything fits in there.
Card up to 280mm (4070 261mm) and without HDD 425mm
Cooler height 165mm (the radiator has 155mm)

I always buy the same brand of board and graphics card.

I've had bad experiences and I've always been satisfied with Gigabyte.

And if I roughly calculate all the watts, then the system could be stable.

[Jamebonds1]

Power varies based on current, so it is recommended to get a 750-watt PSU. Additionally, you could get an RTX 4060 Ti and still meet the power requirements. Here is my recommendation:

Seasonic Vertex GX-850 850W PSU
https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-vertex-gx-850-850-w/p/N82E16817151258?Item=9SIA1HJK8H4493&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

[Das Licht]

You don't understand the problem in Germany. Electricity is devilishly expensive in Germany.
I have to and want to pay attention to it because otherwise I won't be able to afford it in the long term. If I wanted to accept an 850W power supply, I would buy one from Mindfactory...for about 100 euros. But the power supplies would blow up the electricity bill because I'm a constant gamer.


I would have to see your option of the 4060ti in comparison on YT.
I don't mind if it doesn't break in. But I don't know that yet. Would even make sense to keep the 600W now and invest in the CPU and DDR5 instead.
Which I will definitely do. The CPU is more important than the graphics card if you want to have an option. That's my own experience. CPUs easily last up to 10 years. Graphics cards around 3-5 years. I'm talking about performance, of course.
Computers these days can easily last 15-20 years if you look after them.

And DDR4 is actually about to disappear. So the extra costs are definitely a must. Thanks for the tip. I'll have a look at it today.

The addiction factor of Nvidia is that you get a ti in the part above as a normal again and then a ti again.
I think it's all silly and just drives people crazy. It's like when you're supposed to buy 3 things instead of one, but you don't even need 3 of them.^^

As a tip, because many believe that a 4070 with 600W would not run.
Have a look at the comparison with a 4070.
I am currently doing this with a 4060ti (which is too slow, first of all)
the consumption is less than 200W!
What does the AMD processor consume?
120W? (In the test with an I9 approx. 80W )
The cooling capacity of the CPU cooler is 150W. So what else is there to come?
Now do the math.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0JP-52gWho


There are many videos. But they all do the same thing.
So here's one as an example. You probably know it yourselves.
But it's interesting to compare these two cards. I did the same with ti and super. In every direction.
And the first comment says it too. The entry into the 40s...is a 4070.

[Tonepoet]

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Then I can at least test the 600W. If there are problems (even just once), then I'll just buy another 850W.

If things go wrong, even just once, you might be destroying a much more expensive component, if not the entire system. I'd cut my losses and not even risk going a watt under the bare minimum threshold. You don't want to lose the kingdom for want of a horseshoe nail.

@Tonepoet
I think the power supply I bought comes with everything.

12vhpwr is kind of new and in a transitional period, so even if your power supply came with every cable it was supposed to come with, it might not come with the cable. Your graphics card should come with an adapter, but I wouldn't necessarily trust those. I mean, it's no coincidence that the wicked witch of the West is green.

Think of it this way: Would you expect your new Windows P.C. to come with a U.S.B. mouse and keyboard the day after the bondai blue imac was released? Nah man, that stuff's still going to be PS/2 until windows P.Cs. catch up to Apple.

Nvidia: "I'm melting, melting! Oh, what a world! What a world![forums.guru3d.com]"

You've got no choice but to use a 12vhpwr connector with a nvidia card, as ill-conceived of a design as it seems to be, and with it becoming a part of the ATX 3.0 standard the other vendors might adopt it as well. Smaller conductors means more electrical resistance and more heat. Regardless, I'd rather it be a direct 600 watt rated cable from the power supply manufacturer rather than anybody else.

Also, like I said before, A.T.X. 3.0 introduces power excursion thresholds not previously in the A.T.X. spec., so an ATX 3.0 power supply is likely going to be more robust than an old standard one.

The Pure Power 11 600 watt[www.bequiet.com] doesn't advertise the inclusion of the new 12vhpwr cable or A.T.X. 3.0 compliance, so I'd assume it has neither.

Moreover, the 12vhpwr cable can be rated to draw up to 600 watts all by itself (although there are less robust cables in lower increments, down to 150 watts), so I'd doubt many 600 watt P.S.Us. come with them

[Jamebonds1]

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12vhpwr is kind of new and in a transitional period, so even if your power supply came with every cable it was supposed to come with, it might not come with the cable. Your graphics card should come with an adapter, but I wouldn't necessarily trust those.

I have take a look at an adapter that come with my new RTX 4080 and I do not recommend use it, because of high pressure when bent wires. So instead, use the cable from the PSU.

[Das Licht]

I'll check it out later and describe what it can do here. If it does, then the problem of buying a new one is solved anyway, but it doesn't change anything.
But!
If I add 200W and 80W together and then add a few watts for motherboard and memory and cooler, what do I get?

About 300W. ...
and if I add another 50W and include the lower threshold of a power supply unit in general, then I don't see any failure?
Who consumes more? The I9 or the AMD, which is super economical in consumption?

And let's be honest. If a computer were to run at 600W every day, if you gambled a lot, what would that cost?
In Japan, electricity is ridiculously cheap. In the USA?
In Germany, they're robbing you blind. That's the point.
And I don't think a mid-range system needs that much power. And it doesn't need it, which was clear to me even without the video.
I'm not from the hinterland either, even though I've been using my computer for 10 years. And then I only worry about a graphics card once in a while.
Often a lot of neon instead of real progress.


look here

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1d2362p/is_be_quiet_pure_power_11_600w_enough_for_a_4070/


something else about ti

It needs approx. 250W under full load!
That's only 50 watts more than the 4070 and then you get closer to the statement on reddit that even a “Super!” would run at 600W. Now I'm wondering whether a ti is more worthwhile in the end, which was my main question.
A good 20 frames for 200 euros more...?

The videos say so, but the opinions are of course also important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bErFaei1LOI

[Tonepoet]

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12vhpwr is kind of new and in a transitional period, so even if your power supply came with every cable it was supposed to come with, it might not come with the cable. Your graphics card should come with an adapter, but I wouldn't necessarily trust those.

I have take a look at an adapter that come with my new RTX 4080 and I do not recommend use it, because of high pressure when bent wires. So instead, use the cable from the PSU.

Um, the RTX 4070 ti and RTX 4080 are different. They have different enough power requirements that it makes a big difference in what kind of a P.S.U. you need.

There might be a language barrier at play here, which makes it difficult to give good advice.

Use a power supply unit calculator.[www.bequiet.com]

[Jamebonds1]

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I have take a look at an adapter that come with my new RTX 4080 and I do not recommend use it, because of high pressure when bent wires. So instead, use the cable from the PSU.

Um, the RTX 4070 ti and RTX 4080 are different. They have different enough power requirements that it makes a big difference in what kind of a P.S.U. you need.

There might be a language barrier at play here, which makes it difficult to give good advice.

Use a power supply unit calculator.[www.bequiet.com]

Don’t use a calculator, as the power can vary. Just follow the specified power requirements. Although they have the same 12VHPWR port with the same adapter, I advise against using it..

[Tonepoet]

The Be Quiet one looks okay. Each model of chip is made by a single company to a specific specification, and the only reason the cards would vary from reference spec in terms of recommended power consumption is the application of a stock overclock, and stock overclocks are often conservative enough that the card manufacturers do not change their power consumption specifications,

Moreover the Be Quiet calculator also has options to account for overclocked and heavily overclocked components. I reckon a power supply company would be more interested in overselling than underselling too since that's more profitable for them and safer for the customer, putting a limit to their liability for their recommendation.

[Das Licht]

I've just realized that there is a "normal" super between the 4070 and the ti variant, which only costs 609 euros for one gigabyte, which brings more performance to the 4070ti than to the 4070. 39 euros more is worth it, I would say.
All the designations make you crazy.


Then this will be my card.

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That settles the issue for me. And the paste was unnecessary because the radiator has a cooling pad.
I have also deleted the post.

My system:
AMD7800X3D
Gigabyte 4070 Super Windforce OC
be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Tower
32GB G.Skill Flare X5 black DDR5-6000 DIMM CL30 Dual Kit
Gigabyte Gaming X AX V2 AMD B650 So.AM5 DDR5 ATX Retail

Thanks for the information. Has definitely saved me from bad purchases.

[Das Licht]

Finally, confirmation that the 600W is sufficient.
The computer runs superbly and of course feels like a rocket.
Even at almost 27 degrees in the apartment at the moment, Hogwarts Legacy is warm, but not hot. And that at full setting.
An additional fan from the front (the space is available) should improve things even more.
However, I always have a fan (level 1) running in front of the computer at the height of summer.
I am more than satisfied.