(SOLVED) Does anyone know if the B450M PRO-VDH Max is already updated with the lastest bios?

[Bing Chilling]

from what i've read online, the MAX part in the name means it has the most reason bios update

i'm asking because i do not have a 2000/3000 series CPU to update the bios
and i am planning on buying a 5000 series AM4 cpu.

thanks.

Update: i'm just going to go with a higher end mobo instead of relying on
if the bios is updated, as there's no flashback on this mobo,it's quite low end for a 5800x3D, AMD's loaner program is closed (to my knowledge) and buying a second hand cpu for cheap just to update it, seems kinda pointless when the MSI MPG AMD B550 has flashback,is quite alot nicer and is most likely already updated as it says on the website. Plus it's only $40 CAD more then the B450M PRO-VDH Max

thanks for the help in the comments though

[Bing Chilling]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย _I_:

why put a $180 cpu in the junk $75 board?
its not going to run its as intended
the board is going be throttling and choking it, stuff is going to crash
the cheap board is made for the low end cpus, ryzen 3 and athlons

the cpu needs 105w, the board can barley deliver 100w
thats before its boost clocks kick in and it needs 130+w

for $130 cad, it has enough to run the cpu without throttling
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/TR848d/asus-prime-b550-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b550-plus

What make this board better?
also the MSI one i was looking at isn't 75$
it's more expensive then the one you're recommending ?

MSI: $129.99 USD
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yKVG3C/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-plus

Asus: $99.74 USD
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TR848d/asus-prime-b550-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b550-plus

Price isn't everything but
just saying one is junk and the other is better
doesn't say why, you mention that the msi apparently can only deliver 100w
would you mind providing a source for this?
and one for where the Asus one can provide proper wattage?
that would be very nice.

also as a side note, did you even watch the hardware unboxed video i sent a few posts ago? the MSI board was second best in price class at handling overclocking a 3950x at 4.3ghz 1.375v = (200W) i can't find anything similar about the Asus board..
source : https://youtu.be/HSY9rDsQgd4?t=887s
it's handling 200W from the CPU alone perfectly fine..

that said both these boards are the same price in CAD so i don't really mind ether.
but i don't see why one is better then the other, i couldn't validate your claims
though i did notice
the Asus board lacks flashback,
looks to have way less VRM cooling, and doesn't state on the motherboard's website
that it is ryzen 5000 series ready (I don't have a previous ryzen cpu)

aswell i don't know where you're pulling that 75$ cheap motherboard statement from.
even when we are talking USD

if you can provide sources of the claims you have been making
then i'd have no real issue with the asus board (other then flashback)
but so far you've just said things and haven't provided any sources for those claims aswel as i've been able to find sources of the msi board well out preforming what you said it can.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Rumpelcrutchskin:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bing Chilling:

i'm not putting 300$ cad into a mobo
when the msi one is the second best for overclocking a 3950x at 4.3ghz 1.375v (200W)
watch the video above

ryzen 5000 series is also more efficient anyways

im sorry but while i appreciate the recommendations
the msi one is way better then you are giving it credit for.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1832&item_id=185796

It`s 185$ CAD with free shipping.

That is cheaper but im already pushing it with a 130$ cad board for a dead platform so
i don't want to go any higher, its a nice board tho.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tonepoet:

Oh right.

Lastly, the Asrock Z690 board has import fees of 20$ and requires DDR5
so it would offset the cheaper cost of a 12600kf

then there's the bundles you mentioned,
the only ones worth considering are the , Intel Core i7-12700KF CPU + ASUS Prime Z790-P WiFi Motherboard + T-Force 32GB D5 6000MHz RAM [www.canadacomputers.com]
and maybe the
Intel Core i7-12700KF CPU + GIGABYTE Z790 S WIFI DDR4 Motherboard [www.canadacomputers.com]

if i'm buying an intel k series chip, i'm not putting it on a non overclockable motherboard, these are eh in price, since the board that comes with ddr5, is only going to be around 30$ cad cheaper then the ryzen with the msi board.
then the 12700kf lacks quite abit with performance compared to the 5800x3d
especially if i go with the DDR4 version board for the 12700kf
(i already have 32gb ddr4 3600 cl16 that i have tuned to cl14)
source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-l8dJRvb3c&t

the only real benefit (and it is a big one) of going that route is
i'd be able to eventually upgrade to a 14th series chip.
that said, with a 5800x3d, i'm basically already getting 14900k performance
source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llKZzym9hAo&t

[Bing Chilling]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tonepoet:

Oh right.

Well, right now I see two vendors selling the 5800x3D in the land o' the maple trees so the price to beat in canadian dollars is about $408 per shoprbc[www.shoprbc.com] and vuugo[www.vuugo.com], and this is pretty consistent with where it was on Amazon[ca.camelcamelcamel.com] before it sold out.

With that being our price to beat, unless Bing wants to import from the U.S.A. anyway.

Newegg canada and Canada computers[ca.pcpartpicker.com] sell the 12600kf at $219,

That leaves us with a price differential of $188 C.A.D. for the motherboard before the C.P.U./Mo. Bo. combo exceeds the price of the chip, and would you look at that, the Z690 Phantom Gaming is $177 at vuugo[www.vuugo.com]. If it were as good of a deal as on Amazon U.S.A., it'd be $138 canadian dollars based on exchange rates ($1 U.S.D. = 1.38 C.A.D.) but based on this exchange rate, the 12600kf is actually a few bucks cheaper than it would be in the U.S.A. ($160 160 U.S.D. is $221 Canadian).

i'd like to note that importing from the US is not an option
even if our exchange rates for currency might be a better deal on the CPU
import fees and taxes are way way out of the question

(it's why alot of hardware out here will say "canadian version" like samsung's ssd's do)
example : https://www.amazon.ca/Internal-Expansion-Graphics-MZ-V9P2T0B-AM/dp/B0BHJJ9Y77

[_I_]

the board in op is $90cad, or $75usd
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kRTzK8/msi-b450m-pro-vdh-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro-vdh-max

basically you need to count the phases, or if it says its x + y + z
(choke coils, look like bricks around the cpu socket above and beside on io side)
x = phases to cpu cores, often 3-4-6-8-10
y = 1-2 phases to igpu (dedicated even if the cpu does not have it)
z = 1-2 phases to imc (to the ram controller parts)


https://imgur.com/a/C2V7GdA
4 on left of socket with heatsinks, 2 on top without heatinsks
4 is probably to cores, 2 on top are probably to igpu and imc

without heatsinks, its 15-20w per phase
with heatsink its around 25w for each phase

4+1+1 with heatsinks for cores = 100w to cpu cores

high end boards often state its 14+2+2 or something like that
and will have huge heatsinks on the io side and above the cpu, and can safely deliver 350w to the cpu cores

*typo fixed and info added

[Bing Chilling]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย _I_:

basically you need to count the phases, or if it says its x + y + z
x = phases to cpu cores, often 3-4-6-8-10
y = 1-2 phases to igpu (dedicated even if the cpu does not have it)
z = 1-2 phases to imc (to the ram controller parts)

without heatsinks, its 15-20w per phase
with heatsink its around 25w for each phase

4+1+1 with heatsinks = 100w to cpu cores

high end boards often state its 14+2+2 or something like that
and will have huge heatsinks on the io side and above the cpu, and can safely deliver 250w to the cpu cores

Where can i find information about both the Asus board?
can you please provide sources.

i don't doubt your math or even methodology
i just want to see it for myself.

it's not in the manual. Where do i find this information?

[_I_]

that info is often hard to find
Asus PRIME B550-PLUS ATX
https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-b550-plus/
has 10 total chokes
probably 8+1+1 all with heatsinks, should be 200w to cores

[Bing Chilling]

bro we stopped talking about that board AWHILE ago at this point


lol this is the board i'm talking about and have been for well over a day.
MSI MPG AMD B550 Gaming Plus
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550-GAMING-PLUS

i even edited the post yesterday after i chose not to go with that B450M PRO-VDH Max

i am OP ....

[_I_]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bing Chilling:

bro we stopped talking about that board AWHILE ago at this point


lol this is the board i'm talking about
MSI MPG AMD B550 Gaming Plus
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550-GAMING-PLUS

ok
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550-GAMING-PLUS
looks much better
14? total, hard to count
worst case, 10+2+2, 250w to cores

im sorry i missed that

[Bing Chilling]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย _I_:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bing Chilling:

bro we stopped talking about that board AWHILE ago at this point


lol this is the board i'm talking about
MSI MPG AMD B550 Gaming Plus
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550-GAMING-PLUS

ok
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550-GAMING-PLUS
looks much better
14? total, hard to count
worst case, 10+2+2, 250w to cores

im sorry i missed that

is all good lol

but yeah it's i think 14, if i counted right
i do agree tho that the B450M PRO-VDH Max is a terrible board for a 5800x3d 100%

[_I_]

the board names are too similar, often the a boards are trash, but some of the b boards are really good and others are too weak
the x boards are really good, but too expensive imho

just be sure to update bios before installing windows
after windows is installed, enable xmp/docp
maybe pbo, if its stable with it, keep it on,
if not then disable it, ymmv

[Waterflow]

I have a 5900x but I still feel like upgrading soon. Just want something very powerful.

Probably something to go along with a 5080/5090 maybe. Planning a bit for a new pc.

[Bing Chilling]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Waterflow:

I have a 5900x but I still feel like upgrading soon. Just want something very powerful.

Probably something to go along with a 5080/5090 maybe. Planning a bit for a new pc.

i mean, you'd probably want to wait for ether 15th gen or 9000 series

[r.linder]

Even the B550-A PRO is fine, VRM is good enough for over 200A from the VRM

[Bing Chilling]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย r.linder:

Even the B550-A PRO is fine, VRM is good enough for over 200A from the VRM

yeah that's basically the same board i'm picking up

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

I picked up a cheap ryzen 1200af for $40 on eBay, just so I could have a CPU on hand to update b350/b450 boards.

I've used it six times for this purpose and it's been really handy. I think it paid for itself already.

[_I_]

found it
both are the same design, it was hidden a little more on the page
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550-GAMING-PLUS/Overview
scroll down and pick on power solution

10 + 2 + 1 DIGITAL POWER
10 phases cpu
2 soc (imc)
1 apu (igpu)

not really seeing the 1, its not normally at the eps (cpu) power socket
but yea, 250w to cpu cores