(SOLVED) Does anyone know if the B450M PRO-VDH Max is already updated with the lastest bios?

[Bing Chilling]

from what i've read online, the MAX part in the name means it has the most reason bios update

i'm asking because i do not have a 2000/3000 series CPU to update the bios
and i am planning on buying a 5000 series AM4 cpu.

thanks.

Update: i'm just going to go with a higher end mobo instead of relying on
if the bios is updated, as there's no flashback on this mobo,it's quite low end for a 5800x3D, AMD's loaner program is closed (to my knowledge) and buying a second hand cpu for cheap just to update it, seems kinda pointless when the MSI MPG AMD B550 has flashback,is quite alot nicer and is most likely already updated as it says on the website. Plus it's only $40 CAD more then the B450M PRO-VDH Max

thanks for the help in the comments though

[Bing Chilling]

Tonepoet님이 먼저 게시:

Bing Chilling님이 먼저 게시:

It doesn't have flashback and at that point if i have to buy a second hand cpu why not just go with a better mobo

also the loaner program is closed to my knowledge for AM4

Well I mean, like I said, it's a separate part, so you could flip it or keep it as a backup.

Also, actually, I think it does support B.I.O.S. flashback. Different brands have different marketing names for the feature. Asus calls it Q-Flash for instance. I forgot what M.S.I. called it, which is why I asked.

M.S.I. calls it M-Flash. Look at page 18 of the manual.[www.msi.com]

two things m-flash and flashback are not the same things but operate similarly

Updating BIOS with M-FLASH
Before updating:
Please download the latest BIOS file that matches your motherboard model from MSI
website. And then save the BIOS file into the USB flash drive.
Updating BIOS:
1. Press Del key to enter the BIOS Setup during POST.
2. Insert the USB flash drive that contains the update file into the computer.
3. Select the M-FLASH tab and click on Yes to reboot the system and enter the flash
mode.
4. Select a BIOS file to perform the BIOS update process.
5. After the flashing process is 100% completed, the system will reboot
automatically.

flashback is different because you don't need a cpu or memory

Updating BIOS with Flash BIOS Button
1. Please download the latest BIOS file that matches your motherboard model from
the MSI® website.
2. Rename the BIOS file to MSI.ROM, and save it to the root of the USB storage device.
3. Connect the power supply to CPU_PWR1 and ATX_PWR1. (No need to install CPU
and memory.)
4. Plug the USB storage device that contains the MSI.ROM file into the Flash BIOS
Port on the rear I/O panel.
5. Press the Flash BIOS Button to flash BIOS, and the LED starts flashing.
6. The LED will be turned off when the process is completed [quote/]

[Tonepoet]

Bing Chilling님이 먼저 게시:

Tonepoet님이 먼저 게시:

Well I mean, like I said, it's a separate part, you could flip it.

Also, actually, I think it does support B.I.O.S. flashback. Different brands have different marketing names for the feature. Asus calls it Q-Flash for instance. I forgot what M.S.I. called it, which is why I asked.

M.S.I. calls it M-Flash. Look at page 18 of the manual.[www.msi.com]

https://www.msi.com/page/biosflash
M-flash is not flashback...

flashback is a USB bios updating feature
m-flash is just the regular bios updating feature.
and requires you are able to enter the bios

Yeah, you're right. One of my AM4 motherboards is an M.S.I. one and if my memory isn't playing tricks on me they didn't use the straightforward name. My mistake regardless. If it had the feature there should be a button next to the relevant U.S.B. port for it on the motherboard, and there is not.

[_I_]

what cpu do you plan on putting in it?

msi lets you download a zipped file with the bios and instructions inside it
unpack it to the root of a usb drive
use that to update bios, not not rename anything

[Bing Chilling]

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

what cpu do you plan on putting in it?

i put it in my post but a 5800x3d

[_I_]

Bing Chilling님이 먼저 게시:

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

what cpu do you plan on putting in it?

i put it in my post but a 5800x3d

do not do this
https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/19310c1/will_ryzen_7_5800x3d_run_well_with_msi_b450m_a/

[Bing Chilling]

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

Bing Chilling님이 먼저 게시:

i put it in my post but a 5800x3d

do not do this
https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/19310c1/will_ryzen_7_5800x3d_run_well_with_msi_b450m_a/

i am buying the MSI MPG AMD B550 instead anyways
as it's only about $40-$50 CAD more and is a far better mobo for the 5800x3D

it's abit much to spend on a dead platform but in canada AM5 is way out of reach and the 5800x3d will last awhile, possibly into AM6 for games.

also that post just says that one guy limited his wattage to 100W and lowered voltage
and it works perfectly, so im not sure why you posted that specific thread

[_I_]

both boards are very weak vrm config for the higher tdp cpu

amd says its 65w, but thats before its boost/turbo
it can draw well over 100w which the board cannot deliver to it

it will not run at its rated spec
games will crash when things will not get done in the right order because cores throttling slows things down

[Bing Chilling]

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

both boards are very weak vrm config for the higher tdp cpu

amd says its 65w, but thats before its boost/turbo
it can draw well over 100w which the board cannot deliver to it

it will not run at its rated spec
games will crash when things will not get done in the right order because cores throttling slows things down

the 5800x3d is a 105w CPU .
where does amd say it's 65w
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/5000-series/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d.html

what?

also
the VRM's are fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSY9rDsQgd4
go to 14:40
or watch the whole video. but sir you are incorrect.

(atleast with the MSI MPG AMD B550)

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

I would get something better for 5800X3D then cheap basic with rubbish VRM:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vb3mP6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550aorus-elite-axv2

[Bing Chilling]

Rumpelcrutchskin님이 먼저 게시:

I would get something better for 5800X3D then cheap basic with rubbish VRM:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vb3mP6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550aorus-elite-axv2

i'm not putting 300$ cad into a mobo
when the msi one is the second best for overclocking a 3950x at 4.3ghz 1.375v (200W)
watch the video above

ryzen 5000 series is also more efficient anyways

im sorry but while i appreciate the recommendations
the msi one is way better then you are giving it credit for.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Bing Chilling님이 먼저 게시:

Rumpelcrutchskin님이 먼저 게시:

I would get something better for 5800X3D then cheap basic with rubbish VRM:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vb3mP6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550aorus-elite-axv2

i'm not putting 300$ cad into a mobo
when the msi one is the second best for overclocking a 3950x at 4.3ghz 1.375v (200W)
watch the video above

ryzen 5000 series is also more efficient anyways

im sorry but while i appreciate the recommendations
the msi one is way better then you are giving it credit for.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1832&item_id=185796

It`s 185$ CAD with free shipping.

[_I_]

why put a $180 cpu in the junk $75 board?
its not going to run its as intended
the board is going be throttling and choking it, stuff is going to crash
the cheap board is made for the low end cpus, ryzen 3 and athlons

the cpu needs 105w, the board can barley deliver 100w
thats before its boost clocks kick in and it needs 130+w

for $130 cad, it has enough to run the cpu without throttling
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/TR848d/asus-prime-b550-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b550-plus

or $150 way more than enough for the highest cpus to stay at boost without throttling before the cpu thermal throttles
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro

[Tonepoet]

If you haven't committed to a purchase just thought I'd point out that the 12600kf[www.amazon.com] for $160 plus Asrock Z690M Phantom for $100 (50% off)[www.amazon.com] would only cost you $260, which is cheaper than an 5800x3D all by itself. You could even get the non-f variant and still come out saving a little money for what good an integrated graphics chip might do you.

I'm not going to explain myself. I've done so in other posts in other threads already. >_>...

[_I_]

op is in canada

[Tonepoet]

Oh right.

Well, right now I see two vendors selling the 5800x3D in the land o' the maple trees so the price to beat in canadian dollars is about $408 per shoprbc[www.shoprbc.com] and vuugo[www.vuugo.com], and this is pretty consistent with where it was on Amazon[ca.camelcamelcamel.com] before it sold out.

With that being our price to beat, unless Bing wants to import from the U.S.A. anyway.

Newegg canada and Canada computers[ca.pcpartpicker.com] sell the 12600kf at $219,

That leaves us with a price differential of $188 C.A.D. for the motherboard before the C.P.U./Mo. Bo. combo exceeds the price of the chip, and would you look at that, the Z690 Phantom Gaming is $177 at vuugo[www.vuugo.com]. If it were as good of a deal as on Amazon U.S.A., it'd be $138 canadian dollars based on exchange rates ($1 U.S.D. = 1.38 C.A.D.) but based on this exchange rate, the 12600kf is actually a few bucks cheaper than it would be in the U.S.A. ($160 160 U.S.D. is $221 Canadian).

Moreover, as if that's not enough there are cheaper lga 1700 motherboards in Canada. The Asrock Riptide is $167[www.amazon.ca] and is still a z series chipset, and thus likely to be made to enthusiast grade standard. I'm not sure what the best value LGA 1700 motherboard in Canada is though.

I'm not too surprised it ends up being this way. 3D v-cache chips have poor price to perf. and the 12600kf has been pretty undervalued in every region I've seen it in so far. I'm not sure if it's a better deal, but it's a deal I'd pick up with the understanding that the combo. isn't going to be quite as good as the 5800x3d at gaming (it's generously estimated to be more like a 5700x3D), but for processors that I expect to perform rather similarly the price difference is astonishing.

However, in a bit of a plot twist, the 12600kf isn't necessarily the best value chip in the commonwealth nation. If we're not married to Z chipset motherboards, and for $400 canadian I'd consider picking up one of the Canada Computer bundles[www.canadacomputers.com] on this budget. A 12700kf with a Gigabyte B760M motherboard and 16 gigs of T-Force D.D.R. 4 R.A.M. is $400 canadian, and we're not saving so very much by going with the bundle that has the 12600kf instead ($20 canadian). Considering the Raptor Lake problems, a 12700kf bundle more is looking pretty appealing since we're looking at potentially not using our upgrade path to 14th gen, and while I don't really like to check power phase delivery, I'd assume Canada Computer would've picked out a motherboard that can reasonably accomodate an i7 at stock clocks. Having an i7 also likely closes the perf. gap a bit.

12700kf doesn't perform as well as the 5800x3d in gaming, but if I'm getting a motherboard and R.A.M. thrown in for the same price, then I think the relative perf. loss is worth it. With benchmarking game Cyberpunk possibly being G.P.U. bound by the rtx 3080 It's looking like the best game to showcase C.P.U. perf. differences in the Gamer's nexus testing is Hitman 3, and we're looking at a 6 F.P.S. hit to perf. there between the 5800x3d and the 12600k, and I'd expect a 12700k to close that a bit considring the 12900k end up beating it significantly.


Granted, there are times where the 5800x3D beats the 12900ks even, like in Red. Dead 2, but the 12700k is still ranking pretty high on the C.P.U. roundup. Granted, it's a bit of an old roundup, but the problem is that if we look to something more recent like the 5700x3D review[gamersnexus.net] then we see gaps in the 12th gen. lineup. and I can't see exactly where some of these chips stand, which is a shame 'cause a 4090 is significantly less likely to be G.P.U. bound than a 3080.

Oh well, the new C.P.Us. launch tomorrow, so we'll likely be reconsidering this whole situation rather quickly. For all I know, the 7600 or the 9600 could end up being the new value hero, pending review results and pricing changes.