Do I need too upgrade my cpu

[DGCmondo]

I just upgraded my gpu to a rx7800xt and my cpu is a amd 5600 non x version would I see a big jump in fps if I upgraded the cpu I play at 1440p or 4k all depends what game I am playing I just don’t know how you can tell when you need too upgrade the cpu

[_I_]

higher res takes more gpu
higher fps takes more cpu and gpu

[C1REX]

Originally posted by DGCmondo:

I just upgraded my gpu to a rx7800xt and my cpu is a amd 5600 non x version would I see a big jump in fps if I upgraded the cpu I play at 1440p or 4k all depends what game I am playing I just don’t know how you can tell when you need too upgrade the cpu

Use MSI Afterburner or AMD own performance overlay.
Make sure the game doesn't have any FPS lock. no 60fps lock. no V-sync.
Then play a demanding game and check if your GPU is reaching 99% utilisation at different settings.

If the GPU utilisation drops below 95% or so you may be CPU limited in that specific game with that specific settings.

[smokerob79]

really depends on the game....I have a 5700x but also have access to a 7800x3d based system that has a 4090 on it.....to be blunt something like battlefield 2042 hits my 5700x in the nuts......the 7800x3d laughs......i put my 3080 on the 7800x3d just to see and in most games i was off by at least 30 frames from current rig.....older games there was nothing....new games more frames for days

real world that GPU is a miss match with the CPU but it will depend on game played.....

[Iron Knights]

Upgrade to Ryzen 7 7800x3D they will be perfect together, if you have the money.
You can play 4K at 144hz if you wanted to.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Not exactly critical thing to do with 7800 XT, not THAT powerful GPU.
If you can get 5800X3D for good price then maybe worth considering but I would not bother to start swapping out motherboards and RAM to go for 7800X3D.

[C1REX]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Not exactly critical thing to do with 7800 XT, not THAT powerful GPU.
If you can get 5800X3D for good price then maybe worth considering but I would not bother to start swapping out motherboards and RAM to go for 7800X3D.

5700x3D is like half the price for almost the same performance.
MicroCenter in US sells 5600x3D that is a fantastic value as well. 5800x3D is too expensive IMHO. Almost the same price as 7800x3D.

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[_I_]

microcenter always has the best cpu/mobo combo prices
but its instore only, to get you to buy other parts while there

but they can price match amazon, newegg and other stores for similar spec ram kits and other parts

[UserNotFound]

Originally posted by C1REX:

5700x3D is like half the price for almost the same performance.
MicroCenter in US sells 5600x3D that is a fantastic value as well. 5800x3D is too expensive IMHO. Almost the same price as 7800x3D.

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I went with a 5700X3D over the 5800X3D because the price difference is not inconsequential, and the former performs within a few frames of the latter. I have the 5700X3D paired with my RX 7900 XTX and playing games at 3840x1080, max in-game graphics, or near that as possible, so more stress is on the GPU, less so on the CPU. It really depends on the game and engine used, but the 5700X3D is a good compromise on price/performance for those, like me, who want to stay on the AM4 platform.

[Illusion of Progress]

While the 5700X3D is certainly a better value than the 5800X3D in a vacuum, I get the impression most people don't seem to account for their current performance when making these value comparisons between upgrade options. After all, unless you're starting from nothing, what good is a comparison in a vacuum? You shouldn't look at multiple upgrade options side by side while ignoring the performance you already have; you need to account for that and subtract it. So you should instead look at what individual option offers on top of what performance you already have, because that difference is what you're paying the full CPU price for. When you do that, you'll see what are small relative difference between your options will become larger. And unfortunately, while most Ryzen 7 x700s are "basically the same performance" as their x800 counterparts, the 5000 series X3Ds is where that doesn't apply as much. There's a clock speed difference of just shy of 10%, and the performance gap between them is often about that much too. That's still not a lot... in a vacuum... but if you were upgrade from a Zen 3 to a Zen 3 X3D, it's probably be an equal value proposition between both, at which case I'd actually suggest just getting the 5800X3D because if you're making a small upgrade, at least take "small" instead of "smaller".

In reality, I feel neither of those are worth it from a starting position of a 5600. It's just not worth it at this point. The 5x00X3D CPUs are great for those on Zen 2 or earlier, and the 5800X3D made sense a year or two ago, but both are becoming harder to recommend for anyone but those on the oldest AM4 CPUs now (in which case the 5700X3D is the better option). I don't think it's worth it for those on baseline Zen 3. Either stay with the 5600 (that's a viable option here as it's not a slow CPU and yes it is enough for most GPUs), or save up for at least a 7800X3D or Ryzen 9000 series (baseline 7000 series is also not worth considering here for the reason it's basically around par with 5800X3D performance in games at an even higher cost than it to you).

[Karumati]

Originally posted by DGCmondo:

I just upgraded my gpu to a rx7800xt and my cpu is a amd 5600 non x version would I see a big jump in fps if I upgraded the cpu I play at 1440p or 4k all depends what game I am playing I just don’t know how you can tell when you need too upgrade the cpu

You would want 5800x3d for am4 board

[Tonepoet]

7800x3D has the opposite problem: Too much C.P.U. investment for the amount of G.P.U., and you're repurchasing both a motherboard and R.A.M.

Get a 12600kf with a D.D.R. 4 motherboard. You can move your R.A.M. forward and the 12600kf is about as performant as the 5700x3D anyway, but it’s cheap enough to subsidize at least half the cost of an entry level LGA 1700 motherboard, and now you have two separate motherboards and two C.P.Us. instead of two C.P.Us. and a single motherboard. It costs at least $35 more than a 5700x3D based on the lowest cost $70 motherboard but you'll have both your old C.P.U. and motherboard as spare parts if something goes awry, and can use them as the basis of building a second system.

I’m tempted to suggest a build using the newegg P.C. configurator sale, but since you need to add four things added to the cart and newegg doesn’t allow you to apply multiple discount codes applied to the same item, I struggle to think of anything that makes sense. There is a 256 gig. Teamgroup CX2 S.S.D. for a third item that can be used to give you a boot drive for the old motherboard and R.A.M., but I don’t know what to pick for a fourth that’s particularly worth the price.

Reddit figures that the 12600kf is about as good as a 5700x3D anyway based on hardware unboxed performance tests, which not only suggests it’s way better at everything else, but really trashes the AM4 value proposition for anything other than builds based off of sub-hundred dollar processors, since we’re starting to look at the 12400f as the better option up to once we get up to $110, and anything that exceeds that threshold costs more than the 12600kf. You may need a separate LGA 1700 compatible cooler though.

If you're willing to take the risk of frying some of your current hardware and have a good enough P.S.U. and cooler, try overclocking the 5600g.

[AmaiAmai]

Originally posted by DGCmondo:

I just upgraded my gpu to a rx7800xt and my cpu is a amd 5600 non x version would I see a big jump in fps if I upgraded the cpu I play at 1440p or 4k all depends what game I am playing I just don’t know how you can tell when you need too upgrade the cpu

Highly doubt it unless it's vs X3D, but even then in most games if you are using ULTRA you will probably stress the GPU out first.

Also, I don't think there was any real advantage for X3D vs non-X3D in FP performance, so any task that successfully bogs that down on the CPU (shadows, lighting, RT, some physics, some other math depending on game, etc.) likely won't see any meaningful speedup.

That means the upgrade could potentially be worthless depending on what games you play or offer a "huge advantage" that you will never need or be able to use.

The variable performance people see from "useless" to "great" happens because of how these engines are coded and where they are limited and place the limit on the hardware. You, yourself have to determine if the upgrade is worth it and research what benefits it has.

Who cares if you get 280 frames vs 260 if you can never see it?
Who cares if you get 280 frames vs 260 if you could have saved the money and just turned down draw distance or particles (and it wasn't noticeable)?
Etc.

The other issue is that if you upgrade, then it costs a significant portion of a new platform, and you notice no real speedup in the games you play vs. your old CPU then you effectively wasted your money to chase frames when you could have just saved up for a newer platform and obtained way better results.

Conclusion: I wouldn't do it

[Tonepoet]

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

Who cares if you get 280 frames vs 260 if you can never see it?
Who cares if you get 280 frames vs 260 if you could have saved the money and just turned down draw distance or particles (and it wasn't noticeable)?
Etc.

You might not see it, but your computer does and that's vaguely important because if I remember correctly, it means the game state is updating more frequently and can make the game a bit more responsive for a competitive edge. Other than that you have to consider that even if you're seeing 280 F.P.S. on average, your 1% lows might dip below 240 which is a hypothetically visible difference.

Also, these days there are monitors with greater than 240 hz, so if you have one of the right monitors[www.tomshardware.com], you can see it, even if realistically speaking you're not going to notice the difference.

[smokerob79]

would not touch intel with a 10 foot pole at this point even 12th gen.....if he upgrades to a new motherboard at all it should be AM5 given it will get upgrade paths for the next 5 years......7 if its like AM4......

[PopinFRESH]

Originally posted by smokerob79:

would not touch intel with a 10 foot pole at this point even 12th gen.....if he upgrades to a new motherboard at all it should be AM5 given it will get upgrade paths for the next 5 years......7 if its like AM4......

Or it might get 0 if its anything like sTRX40.....