PC vs Console

[KingDong]

I read an article that the latest XBOX One claims that using FSR can enable the console to get 4k resolutions @120fps and the PS5 was not far behind each unit cost around $500, hows does the GPU community account for paying over $1000 to reach the same performance levels?

[ZAP]

Low-medium settings in a fake resolution. If you want a console and use a PC monitor, not massive 4K TV, might as well get the Series S when on sale for $200.

[_I_]

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If you want to play the most demanding games like The Last of Us, Alan Wake or Avatar then it’s impossible to build a $400 PC that can compete with ps5. Even with $800 budget it could be challenging.

But if you can afford the hardware or are patient enough to wait for price drops you can exceed the ps5 image quality and performance.

Pick what works best for you.

According to the stats online the Xbox One is equivalent to either a 2080 or a 2080Ti

xbox one? launched in 2013, its nowhere near a 2080, maybe a gtx 760

[smokerob79]

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Consoles offer unbelievable value for the hardware and easy of use.
It’s up to individual people to analyse the offer and pick a better one.

I still prefer PC gaming for more premium experience.

but the new consoles require subscription service to play online games

and many variants do not have odd (optical disk drives) so the only way to purchase games is through their online store

if you compare game prices/sales from xbox/ps and steam, steam is almost always cheaper
but there are other places to buy pc games too, gog, humblebundle etc.. which does make pc game prices more competitive

this is pure lies now that steaming pile is taking a 30% cut like it was a console....lie all you want but this was never the model for anything but consoles....most days without a steaming pile sale games are cheaper on consoles now.....its sad but the greed of fat man Gabe is what got us here....if you need a clue remember even during the last sale things like the whole fallout collection were cheaper on GOG then steaming pile

as for consoles they are the better value right now....I got in to PC when it was the CHEAPER option like building a better PC then the 360 could ever be for 280 dollars when 360's were still 300 bucks....even with the cost of online play over 5 years consoles are the better value right now when it will cost you 500 bucks to match a console in what it can render......

[_I_]

yes, steam takes 30% cut, but thats less than ms and sony
but steam is the best toward their customers, can get a refund with upto 2 hrs gameplay for any reason

consoles are sold at a loss, and profits made up through subscription and game sales

[Illusion of Progress]

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If you want to play the most demanding games like The Last of Us, Alan Wake or Avatar then it’s impossible to build a $400 PC that can compete with ps5. Even with $800 budget it could be challenging.

But if you can afford the hardware or are patient enough to wait for price drops you can exceed the ps5 image quality and performance.

Pick what works best for you.

According to the stats online the Xbox One is equivalent to either a 2080 or a 2080Ti

As said above, you're thinking of the Series X, not One X (silly Microsoft and its naming).

The Xbox Series X has an APU with a CPU portion similar to a Ryzen 7 3700X (but clocked a bit lower, and with one core reserved for the OS), and a GPU portion similar to an RX 6700 (non-XT) 10 GB, although it has a shared pool of 16 GB RAM/VRAM.

Most console games will deliver an experience above what they would on similar hardware on the PC side though, even if this is largely achieved via upscaling and running at lower frame rates.

One particular spot this is more pronounced is with shader compilation. PC games, even with top end hardware, may stutter and/or need high CPUs behind them to accomplish this. Consoles get around it because they aren't variable and the games can include the precompiled shaders. Most PC gamers ridiculing game developers for lack of optimization over this are often expressing their own lack of understanding here. PC games can get around it by precompiling shaders before runtime (such as when first launching the game) but... they complain about that too.

Anyway, consoles are specialized. They are also sold at a loss. Trying to compare them with PCs only at gaming and only at hardware cost is an apples to oranges comparison and makes zero sense. If all you want to do is game and don't want to fuss with the hardware/software/OS/drivers as much, a cheaper up front console is probably more appealing. PCs can have their perks though, in the way of a larger game library, longevity of that library, sales, and a much less closed ecosystem, to say nothing of the capabilities it brings beyond gaming. Comparing them is pretty apples to oranges.

I've personally been on PC since near the end of the PlayStation 2 life cycle, so I have no experience with consoles starting from the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and anything newer. Some of my favorite games comes from consoles before that point, and the PlayStation, PlayStation 2, and Super Nintendo are some of my favorites pieces of hardware. I'll never look at any CPU, graphics card, or PC with the same level of fondness as I would those consoles. The PC is simply a better and continually evolving ecosystem though, and you can even use it to emulate those consoles and their games.

[smokerob79]

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yes, steam takes 30% cut, but thats less than ms and sony
but steam is the best toward their customers, can get a refund with upto 2 hrs gameplay for any reason

consoles are sold at a loss, and profits made up through subscription and game sales

its the same 30%....and it was never needed when fat boy does not make any hardware that must be used to play said games......try again.....you have no valid argument.....

[C1REX]

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yes, steam takes 30% cut, but thats less than ms and sony
but steam is the best toward their customers, can get a refund with upto 2 hrs gameplay for any reason

consoles are sold at a loss, and profits made up through subscription and game sales

its the same 30%....and it was never needed when fat boy does not make any hardware that must be used to play said games......try again.....you have no valid argument.....

Steam can charge 30% because nobody is able to compete. Nobody is even really trying. Most publishers don’t even bother selling the game on other shops even if they charge less.

[KingDong]

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According to the stats online the Xbox One is equivalent to either a 2080 or a 2080Ti

xbox one? launched in 2013, its nowhere near a 2080, maybe a gtx 760

The other one series x

[KingDong]

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its the same 30%....and it was never needed when fat boy does not make any hardware that must be used to play said games......try again.....you have no valid argument.....

Steam can charge 30% because nobody is able to compete. Nobody is even really trying. Most publishers don’t even bother selling the game on other shops even if they charge less.

Try the Microsoft store

[Haruspex]

People frequently compared maximum PC game settings with whatever consoles are doing. The settings on a console are set and hidden from the user, and many people don't realize those settings are roughly equivalent to "medium" settings on a PC. Add in a few tricks like FSR, checkerboard rendering, or dynamic resolution scaling and you quickly see how this isn't really a proper comparison.

People want the "best" experience, and with consoles you're automatically getting the "best" experience that consoles can offer. (because it's the only experience consoles offer) PCs are less restricted, and even if turning down the settings would provide an accurate "console quality" experience, people want the best experience, so they'll usually crank things up to maximum. Then, when the game doesn't run as well on maximum using their budget PC as it does on the console (with the equivalent of medium settings), they sometimes assume this means console>PC.

Maybe if it became standard practice to include a "console equivalent" preset in the settings of PC games, it might help people understand.

[_I_]

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xbox one? launched in 2013, its nowhere near a 2080, maybe a gtx 760

The other one series x

xbox series is not one, its just xbox series x or xbox series s
they can play xbox one games, and most xbox 360 games

you need to learn the console lineups before you start spreading lies about them

[KingDong]

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The other one series x

xbox series is not one, its just xbox series x or xbox series s
they can play xbox one games, and most xbox 360 games

you need to learn the console lineups before you start spreading lies about them

Im not spreading lies just don't keep up with all the console news

[YoSoyJosh]

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Comparing pc and console is stupid because a console could never replace a pc.

Its the same hardware the only major difference in terms of capability is that a PC can not just run games but make them.

It's not the same hardware at all. Might have similar specs as a PC, but an APU is not the same in anyway shape or form the same as a fully built PC.

[Rod]

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Its the same hardware the only major difference in terms of capability is that a PC can not just run games but make them.

It's not the same hardware at all. Might have similar specs as a PC, but an APU is not the same in anyway shape or form the same as a fully built PC.

Its an all in one. And an AMD x86 at that so its a pc running a custom os.

[KingDong]

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Its the same hardware the only major difference in terms of capability is that a PC can not just run games but make them.

It's not the same hardware at all. Might have similar specs as a PC, but an APU is not the same in anyway shape or form the same as a fully built PC.

I think you will find the latest ryzen processors 7800x3d are APUs