Misterious STUTTERS I can't find the source to

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Hardware brothers and sisters, help a brother out.

For a couple years now, I've been using a RTX 2060 + RYZEN 5 5600 rig. Pure Joy. That said, a month or two ago, I got a RTX 4070 upgrade to it. BIG bump on performance, sure, but a good deal of stutters to go along with it.

I'm a long Afterburner + RTSS user always keeping my frametime/framerate bar flat as a board and my games as optimized as possible.

Thought it might be drivers so I tried a bunch of them (DDU installs and all).

Guess what?

Nothing.

Same random stutters.

I formatted my PC, updated my BIOS, my MOBO chipset, plugged the 2060 in, disabled Xbox Game Bar, Windows Game Bar, D.O.C.P (XMP), cleared DXCACHE, messed with pagefile, then with all the SYNC options (G-SYNC included) and even bought a RYZEN 7 5700X3D to see if it would make any difference... No difference. It's no thermal throttling either.

Honestly, what else can I test?

Maybe, my MOBO's damaged?

Maybe, my PSU is causing the stutter?

Can my, idk, 4070's LED light cause stutter?


Also, no matter if it's 60 or 120 FPS, the stutter's there.

And thank you for taking the time to read.


FULL RIG:

WINDOWS 10 PRO

RTX 4070 GALAX

RYZEN 7 5700X3D

ASUS B450M PRO S

MSI MAG A650BN 80 PLUS BRONZE

2x16GB 3200hz MEMORY

1TB HD

1TB NVME M.2

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Bad 💀 Motha:

Can you record and post some videos of the issued?

Some games might have slight stutter when either newly run or have not been ran in a long time as it needs some gameplay time to build up GPU Shader Cache. Some games do this at game launch if no cache is on-disk already in the AppData folder for said game. Games like Death Stranding and Detroit Become Himan for example you will have a long loading period at launch while the CPU creates the GPU Shader Cache. Some games do not do it like that and instead do it on the fly during actual gameplay.

Thought about that, but I can't help but believe at this point it should already be all done. GTA V's the easiest example, there's this little stutters every time I turn it on to play. About the videos, as suggested, I'll try HWINFO64 and Presentmon. If it doesn't work, I'll look into posting some screenshots and videos to better illustrate de problem. I'm thinking maybe I didn't make it clear enough what exactly the problem is.

Just for now I want you and everyone else to think about it like this: I open the game, cap the fps to 60 and my frametime/framerate bar gets real smooth. But out of nowhere when I'm playing it gives me this little spike on the frametime. Sometimes the FPS properly drops to 57. Sometimes it's but a little spike that messes the flow of gameplay and gets really annoying to play with. So, unlike before, my frametime/framerate bars are never 100 smooth.

I said 60, but the behaviour repeats itself on 120 FPS, 100 fps, 75 fps - you name it.

Hope this paints a clearer picture.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You could easily install OBS Studio and capture whatever your PC is doing and have the app configured to save the videos to local disk rather then doing live-streaming.

But again I will say this much, Win11 23H2 is 100% garbage. 22H2 wasn't bad and 24H2 is having to address many bugs and issues that 23H2 is plaqued with.

If you continue onward with Win11 23H2, good luck with that cause you're better off just clean installing Win10 64bit 22H2 at this point.

But Win11 24H2 should be available to everyone by now as of approx 1-2 weeks ago I think it was.

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Julien, cut it out.:

Care, there is misinformation regarding the lane sharing of components (PCIe 3.0 and NVMe) in this thread.
On a motherboard with a b450 chipset, the x16 PCIe 3.0 GPU lanes are not shared with a storage component. Leave the NVMe in the upper slot (M2_1), which is directly connected to the CPU. If installed in the lower slot (M2_2), you lose bandwidth and the data is managed by the chipset.
Consult the storage section of the motherboard's manual on how the manufacturer decided to implement the chipset's feature on the motherboard.

If you collect data on the behaviour of your PC and share it, I take the time and look at it.
Firstly, I suggest to use Intel Presentmon 2.1.1. as monitoring tool. Stutters are better quantifiable through the animation error metric.
Then repeat the gameplay section with the stuttery behaviour while collecting data with hwinfo64. To have a look on the behaviour of your hardawre. Set the Polling Period to 500 ms in hwinfo64.
Both applications generate .csv files. Share them.

Brother, for the life of me, I couldn't get Presentmon working (it simply doesn't open). But I got HWINFO 64. How do I get the file to you?

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Bad 💀 Motha:

You could easily install OBS Studio and capture whatever your PC is doing and have the app configured to save the videos to local disk rather then doing live-streaming.

But again I will say this much, Win11 23H2 is 100% garbage. 22H2 wasn't bad and 24H2 is having to address many bugs and issues that 23H2 is plaqued with.

If you continue onward with Win11 23H2, good luck with that cause you're better off just clean installing Win10 64bit 22H2 at this point.

But Win11 24H2 should be available to everyone by now as of approx 1-2 weeks ago I think it was.

Well, I never used Windows 11 and was planning to keep it that way... Now that I think about it, imagine I give it a go and my problem are solved? I might cry. But I've already did two formats; not feeling like messing with it.

[Julien, cut it out.]

Ursprungligen skrivet av (YK):

Brother, for the life of me, I couldn't get Presentmon working (it simply doesn't open). But I got HWINFO 64. How do I get the file to you?

I also had trouble to install Intel Presentmon when trying to complete the installation with the downloaded exetuable.
Download the .msi package instead: https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon/releases/tag/v2.1.1

You can add me and dm me the file(s). Or if you want other people to have access to the file(s), upload them to a file hoster. mediafire, 1fichier, mega or another. Google Drive if you own a gmail account.

[ˢᵈˣ FatCat]

If you think VGA is the problem you can see how much its draw the power, vaguely i think it was happened to my old 1080Ti , but i just lock my fps to 60 , and made a peace with it
The only a GPU can totally stay on 60fps well by overclock
Then could be your display cant keep up with your FPS then it needs to wait that is why have stutter