Lga 1700 over AM5

[Min]

Is it even justifiable now ? I’m building another pc , thinking about 12400f which costs in my country 90 eur and 7500f which costs 150eur , price difference is quite big , most people say for future am5 is the way , gpu would be rx 6600. Old specs rx 580 10105f

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

LGA 1700 is really iffy currently unless you plan to stick to 12th gen CPUs and have no intentions to upgrade in future.
Also minimum 12th gen CPU I would go for is 12600KF that is about the equivalent of Ryzen 7 5800X.

[Tonepoet]

First, you should know the rumor mill anticipates Arrow Lake in October[www.techradar.com]. Dunno if Lithuania observes Black Friday in November.

Otherwise yeah, L.G.A. 1700 performs rather admirably[www.techspot.com].

I expect a 12600kf to perform like a 5700x3D if paired with fast enough D.D.R. 5 or a 5800x if paired with equivalent D.D.R. 4. 12400f beats Ryzen 5600. 12100f even beats Ryzen 5500 in gaming according to Gamer's Nexus, so I'm a little bit regretful of some of the advice I'd given in the past, but what's done is done.

Looking at a video comparison of the two processors, it looks like the 7500f wins in productivity.

Cyberpunk 2077:
12400f: 109
7500f: 117

Kingdom Come Deliverance:
12400f: 76
7500f: 74

Starfield:
12400f: 79
7500f: 80

The Witcher 3:
12400f: 158
7500f: 156

Spider-Man:
12400f: 139
7500f: 149

Fortnite:
12400f: 299
7500f: 322

Overall Final Total Average:
12400f: 141.83
7500f: 149.66

The 7500f also ultimately wins in gaming, but processors are pretty neck in neck. It's a 5.2% difference in average performance, and even some of the 12400f's losses are kind of wins considering that the lows in Spider-Man and Fortnite are similar, meaning that the 12400f has more consistency in those games.

The 12400f in particular is also known to play nice with cheap motherboards. That makes sense given that it is a lower end first generation chip, so you are possibly looking at getting a 12400f and a motherboard for the price of the 7500f alone. What would that mean for you?

Well, if you bought a 12400f today, you basically could save yourself the cost of an AM5 motherboard and get comparable performance. You could put that money you save into buying whatever extra motherboard you want later, then either repurposing the motherboard/c.p.u. combination or maybe selling them off together as a bundle instead of a singular part.

This performance parity does however assume that you are buying a D.D.R. 5 compatible motherboard, which is likely the wiser option anyway so you don't have to worry as much about repurchasing R.A.M. for your next system.

But the other thing you can consider doing is buying a D.D.R. 4 motherboard because it's cheaper and trying to leapfrog D.D.R. 5 onto a D.D.R 6 platform. Speculation anticipates D.D.R. 6 in 2027, and while R.A.M. speed can make a difference, it tends to be a relatively small difference. In fact, since you have a 10400f, you have D.D.R. 4 R.A.M. already, so you could carry that R.A.M. forward to save yourself more money, as it does not cost anything to use what you already have.

A 12400f will still outperform a 5600x when operating on identical D.D.R. 4 R.A.M.[www.tomshardware.com], so it still offers a compelling value proposition relative to the other active D.D.R. 4 platform, and if you end up buying different R.A.M. later down the line, then you have three parts of a secondary computer instead of just two, but that's getting a little ahead of ourselves.

Regardless, I'd almost certainly prefer the 12400f at the prices you quoted, although I haven't researched the auxilary Lithuanian components (most particularly motherboards) to be sure though.

[A&A]

CPU + Motherboard + your DDR4 or New DDR5
or
CPU+Motherboard+ New DDR5

Depends on your budget. Even AM4 platform is fine for low budget.
is Ryzen 5 7500f the cheapest AM5 CPU?

[r.linder]

Alder Lake is fine, not affected by any of the issues that Raptor Lake is being hit by. Can also be half decent on a budget if you want the socket for upgrades later because of optional DDR4 support

[Illusion of Progress]

It's a tale as old as time. One platform route is every so slightly slower but cheaper, but lacks upgrade options. It's why you see AM4 vs AM5 still and both are being purchased pretty substantially still. Both are still viable.

The answer is this. Either are fine. If you think you'll use the future CPU options AM5 has, it might be worth spending up to it. If not, either LGA 1700 (or AM4) is fine.

Based on AMD's updated timeframe to support AM5 from 2025 to+ to 2027, I expect we'll see one more actual architectural generation (Zen 6) and then they'll move on. To recap, AM5 current has Zen 4 (and Zen 4 X3D), and now Zen 5 just released. Zen 5 X3D will likely launch early next year.

So you'll have one more real generation. If you see yourself going from the 7500F to a two generation newer processor in a few years, then go AM5. Otherwise, you're spending more for future upgradability you won't even use. Most people don't upgrade CPUs every few years, but more like 5+, and in that case, you're likely looking at a new platform in any case.

[Mr White]

Intel rumours will launch Bartlett-S. But fdr I would go AMD AM5 for better upgrade proof.

[Tonepoet]

The point of future proofing is to avert a subsequent purchase. Aside from the hassle involved in replacing the motherboard, I don't see much of a point in future proofing if the motherboard and processor of the cheaper option are so cheap that it costs as much as either the C.P.U. or the motherboard on the futureproofed platform. I also don't know what AM4 processor is worth recommending when there's a cheaper Alder Lake alternative that performs better at just about every turn (based on U.S. pricing).

However, upon reconsideration of the scenario I feel the need to point out two things:

First, an upgrade to a Ryzen 6600 isn't nearly enough of an uplift from an RX 580 to merit the price you'll likely have to spend, assuming your 580 is an eight gig. model. It possibly doesn't even merit a C.P.U. upgrade in the first place either. Second, you're low enough on the L.G.A. 1200 stack that upgrading to a 10600 or an 11600 might be more worthwhile.

So really my advice is to buy a secondhand 10600 if you can get one for about the same price as the 12400f, and put the money you save on a motherboard towards a better graphics card like a 6750 XT.

[ZAP]

Originally posted by Dragon Quest:

Intel rumours will launch Bartlett-S. But fdr I would go AMD AM5 for better upgrade proof.

I'll upgrade from 12700K to this if $350 (tree fiddy)
https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel-lga1700-isnt-a-dead-platform-bartlett-is-coming-and-its-all-p-cores/

[Dr Lussy Picker III, Esq]

Stay away from LGA1700. If you want one trade me a AMD chip and motherboard for my 14900k I will never be able to sell since its got known problems.

[Tonepoet]

The problem is with the raptor lake chips, not the socket. Alder lake chips (12th gen) ought to be fine. Rumor has it that Bartlett lake might not be fine though, and might be another disappointment in games performance, like Zen 5 since it might be more A.I. perf. focused than gaming perf. focused, and they might even drop the clocks to keep voltage down. The only relevancy the Raptor Lake part problems have to Alder Lake is that these problems kill the upgrade path, but Alder Lake might not need an upgrade path with the performance on offer for the price.

I still think a 10600 or an 11600 is the way to go here though.

Originally posted by Philco7a:

If you want one trade me a AMD chip and motherboard for my 14900k I will never be able to sell since its got known problems.

Apply the 0x129 microcode update with the B.I.O.S.. Set your motherboard to Intel Default Profile. R.M.A. your 14900k if you are experiencing those problems. Do not overclock your chip. It might not be worth what you paid for it, but you'll probably be fine, and even if not odds are you have an extended warranty since Intel[www.tomshardware.com] and most of the system integrators[www.theverge.com] have extended warranty coverage for the affected chips.