13900 and 14900 with asus mobo crash

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I keep hearing about this issue but i have had zero problems. Whats the deal here, am i just lucky or what. Unsure if i should update to the new bios that asus just released, i'm hearing of a slight performance hit due to a lower power draw limit on the cpu.

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specs
13900k (corsair AIO)
Asus z790 gaming wifi (AI overcocking activated)
Corsair dominator ddr5 5600 (xmp activated)
4080 founders edition (slight OC with AI suit)
Asus 850 PSU
Samsung 990pro NVMe SSD
Win 11

[N3tRunn3r]

heat & throtteling

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its most likely drivers
if the cpu is throttling and windows doesnt know how or expect it, things can get done in unexpected order and crash

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

It's the motherboards default settings being too aggressive. It's actually not the CPU itself.

For example I have /Enforce All Limits/ enabled so Asus doesn't set poor voltage. You want to use Intel's spec. Unfortunately Intel's spec isn't the default.

[Illusion of Progress]

Iceman985 の投稿を引用：

I keep hearing about this issue but i have had zero problems.

Because not every problem with something is one that every single user of that thing will encounter.

Remember the 7800X3D that burned up? That was absolutely a thing that happened, and there was absolutely a cause found, and it was absolutely a thing that would keep happening, yet how many of them did that? A fringe minority. What I'm saying is "I'm not experiencing it" doesn't mean there isn't something to it.

This is incidentally a similar thing that happened to the 7800X3D. Aggressive firmware options are pushing chips that are sensitive and already near the edge over it, and causing them to fail.

The 7800X3D was voltage sensitive and that's what got it.

The higher tier Raptor Lake chips are degrading over time instead of instantly burning up. This is also why it's largely happening on the Core i9 and Core i7 chips, but not the lesser ones; they aren't pushed as far in power or thermal aspects.

If you have an upper tier Raptor Lake (maybe upper tier Alder Lake) and want to find out if you're suffering from it, here are some things to look into.

1. Look in Event Viewer and see if there's any entries for "Event ID 19" that lists "a corrected hardware error has occurred" with "TLB" or translation look-aside buffer listed.

2. Getting crashes to desktop? Or crashes during games? Especially Unreal Engine or other ones that compile shaders?

3. Seeing messages like "Out of video memory trying to allocate a rendering resource" even if you have a lot of VRAM and even trying to do stuff on cards with a lot of VRAM like an RTX 4090?

These are all likely signs the CPU is faulting due to this.

If you have any of these issues and reducing the p-core ratio resolves it, your CPU has degraded as a result of this.

But the majority of the CPUs are most likely fine. If you have any BIOS options that allow "unlimited power" I'd definitely not allow that. That's a big contributor to what's causing the degradation.

This is literally what happened to Intel's Northwood Pentium 4 CPUs too (look up Sudden Northwood Death Symdrom). Not Intel's first time. AMD's X3D burnup fiasco wasn't even the first time this happened. It's a harsh reminder that overclocking or even just "more power" BIOS options is never guaranteed. It seems to be getting worse these days if "out of the box" BIOS options are more and more leading to it.

This isn't entirely Intel's fault, but I'm still wondering if the same people who blamed AMD and said AMD should recall their CPUs because "their CPU should have been able to withstand it" or "AMD shouldn't have allowed the motherboard vendors to do things that result in it" will hold Intel to the same standard. There was a lot of that about AMD when it came out, but those same people are role playing crickets about this one.

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Thanks for the replies everyone. so i will say everything seems stable and i have had zero crashes even when pulling 325watts plus and damn near hitting 100C on the CPU. i think ill keep the current bios and maybe update in the future if need be.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well it's like anything else, not everyone and not even a majority of users will encounter such issues. But it does exist.

Here is some up to date info regarding the lateat seen issues with Intel CPUs...

https://youtu.be/HIubZYwBfPc

[Azza ☠]

The crashing issue with the ASUS Z790 motherboards and Intel Core i9-14900K or 13900K Raptor Lake processors, is fixed with the BIOS update.

The fixed BIOS version includes an "Intel Baseline Profile option" to let users revert to the Intel factory default settings.

So after BIOS Flashing, you should go under the BIOS > "AI Tweaker" > "Intel Baseline Profile"

This will run your CPU at stock settings, rather than AI overclocked settings with the ASUS "AI Overclock Tuner". So yes, performance will be slightly lower, but stable. However, you aren't actually decreasing the CPU performance, rather just removing it's AI overclocking of it to unstable crash levels.

This is also a quick temporary fix for now, till the next BIOS update.

My suggestion: If you are experiencing crashing in games, update it and set the "Intel Baseline Profile". Your performance lost will be minimum and your Graphics Card will be delivering most of the performance anyways over the CPU, depending on the game. This does not underclock your CPU, but rather just uses the factory settings for it (not overclocking it).

Note: If you don't set the "Intel Baseline Profile", nothing will change for the CPU, so you can toggle it back anyways. Yet the BIOS will also likely update your Intel ME.

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Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

The crashing issue with the ASUS Z790 motherboards and Intel Core i9-14900K or 13900K Raptor Lake processors, is fixed with the BIOS update.

The fixed BIOS version includes an "Intel Baseline Profile option" to let users revert to the Intel factory default settings.

So after BIOS Flashing, you should go under the BIOS > "AI Tweaker" > "Intel Baseline Profile"

This will run your CPU at stock settings, rather than AI overclocked settings with the ASUS "AI Overclock Tuner". So yes, performance will be slightly lower, but stable. However, you aren't actually decreasing the CPU performance, rather just removing it's AI overclocking of it to unstable crash levels.

This is also a quick temporary fix for now, till the next BIOS update.

My suggestion: If you are experiencing crashing in games, update it and set the "Intel Baseline Profile". Your performance lost will be minimum and your Graphics Card will be delivering most of the performance anyways over the CPU, depending on the game. This does not underclock your CPU, but rather just uses the factory settings for it (not overclocking it).

Note: If you don't set the "Intel Baseline Profile", nothing will change for the CPU, so you can toggle it back anyways. Yet the BIOS will also likely update your Intel ME.

Thanks this was the info i was looking for.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Many folks are scared to update their BIOS. In all my years of doing this and what I can only come to an approx of 50,000 PCs and Motherboards later... I've only ever had a tiny amount up and die during a BIOS update, or have a BIOS update cause problems after the update process. Less then 50 Motherboards...

And while many will probably make some suggestion that you should never use an App inside an OS to do the BIOS update, I really don't see why. First off the app in question should have a file verification method to avoid applying a corrupted file as part of the BIOS update process. Not to mention when we are dealing with OEM Prebuilds and Laptops for example, the only way to do a BIOS update is while inside Windows OS. Either from the EXE that the branded maker provides for the system on their support site, or directly via Windows Updates > Optional Updates.

Even back on my old ASUS Motherboard from 2010 (AMD 890G Chipset) and also my ASUS (990FX Chipset) board; I never once had a problem using the ASUS software suite to apply my BIOS update. Now I can say that I have had issues connecting to the ASUS servers through the software to fetch a bios update. However their software also has an option to perform the update via local file, which you shouldn't have a problem downloading separately from their support website, to which then use their software app to point to the file on local disk and then perform the bios update.

Overall many have issues with their PCs over time because of not keeping the BIOS up to date. However I do suggest that you also do not do blind updates. If you don't understand the update, ask around, or search around; as that can easily be answered for you if you are un-sure. This was more of an issue with Ryzen based systems though, as it is not wise to update those to the very latest BIOS, if still continuing to use an older gen of CPU. As such updates usually will only pertain to the newer CPUs that board allows for and it "could" hinder performance of older CPUs in some scenarios.

[Guydodge]

as someone who owns a strix z790 e i will tell you they are trash any motherboard that make you sacrifice performance to run a cpu says it all..the so called base line profile will tank performance about 12%.and to the poster if your running at 100c i highly recommend you get those temps down regardless of what intel claims it is not good for the cpu.silicon has not changed but some how all of a sudden 100c is ok !.think about that.

im replacing my strix z790 as we speak they are way to unstable and putting out a so called
fix that lessens performance was the last straw for me.dont do the update i was better off before
the latest update.im changing to the Asrock Taichi R there timings are much tighter.and hoipefully can get the 13900k memory controller under control.the Asus boards cant handle it.at least not the strix z790 e.

A lot of this is on intel for not working with the motherboard companies.but its no excuse
for asus to not be working day and night to tighten up there boards so they can handle the speed of these cpus.and this intel stock profile is a lazy solution.

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Guydodge の投稿を引用：

as someone who owns a strix z790 e i will tell you they are trash any motherboard that make you sacrifice performance to run a cpu says it all..the so called base line profile will tank performance about 12%.and to the poster if your running at 100c i highly recommend you get those temps down regardless of what intel claims it is not good for the cpu.silicon has not changed but some how all of a sudden 100c is ok !.think about that.

im replacing my strix z790 as we speak they are way to unstable and putting out a so called
fix that lessens performance was the last straw for me.dont do the update i was better off before
the latest update.im changing to the Asrock Taichi R there timings are much tighter.and hoipefully can get the 13900k memory controller under control.the Asus boards cant handle it.at least not the strix z790 e.

A lot of this is on intel for not working with the motherboard companies.but its no excuse
for asus to not be working day and night to tighten up there boards so they can handle the speed of these cpus.and this intel stock profile is a lazy solution.

Thanks for the reply, i was only pushing the CPU that far just to see what it can handle. The water cooler definitely does its job and keeps the temps down the rest of the time.

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Iceman985 の投稿を引用：

I keep hearing about this issue but i have had zero problems. Whats the deal here, am i just lucky or what. Unsure if i should update to the new bios that asus just released, i'm hearing of a slight performance hit due to a lower power draw limit on the cpu.

I would update, yes, why not? The modification appears as a single option that you click and it sets a few parameters in the BIOS to intel defaults.
You can try it, and if it doesn't work out then it's easy to just reset the BIOS to default settings.

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The problem isn't just with Asus. In general, all motherboard manufacturers who have taken the recommended spec sheets by Intel and thrown them in the trash bin are experiencing such problems. If the processor cannot perform according to Intel's specifications, it is defective/degraded.

The fact that it's "recommended" means manufacturers can set whatever values ​​they want. In this case is the power and current limit, while AMD and Nvidia have specified specs.

[Tonepoet]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

This isn't entirely Intel's fault, but I'm still wondering if the same people who blamed AMD and said AMD should recall their CPUs because "their CPU should have been able to withstand it" or "AMD shouldn't have allowed the motherboard vendors to do things that result in it" will hold Intel to the same standard. There was a lot of that about AMD when it came out, but those same people are role playing crickets about this one.

I am not sure if they should be held to the same standard because the circumstances seem different. The 7800x3D is an overclocking locked chip, whereas this topic regards K sku chip which are unlocked, because you buy locked chips to make sure they operate within the specified safe parameters.

I feel like if a processor manufacturer is going to take the responsibility of locking down a chip to prevent damage, that they should prohibit board partners from making any changes to default performance than an end user wouldn't be allowed to make, whereas if the chip is unlocked then it's the board partner or system builder who's more liable for making sure motherboard adjustments work. Buying unlocked chips suggest you want to potentially tweak things to get more performance.