4070 TI Super VS 4080 Super or wait for the 50 series?

[The.Spaz.]

The original plan was to skip the current generation of cards and eventually build a new rig around the 50 series but my 5700 XT is no longer reliable. It only used to crash randomly when I would play a demanding game but lately even checking my email might cause it to crash the display drivers and I would have to force reboot and re-install the drivers via device manager in order to get it to work again. I fear by the time the 50 series cards are introduced, I won't have a PC with working display.

Current Specs:
Cpu: i9 9900K
Mobo: Aorus Pro Wifi.
Ram: 16 GB
GPU: XFX RX 5700 XT THICC 3.
OS: Windows 10 Pro (64)

Anyway I am stuck mulling over my choice between the 4070 TI Super and the 4080 Super. I could use some advice on which GPU to invest in since I have not really used an Nvidia brand GPU since the 980. While AMD has significantly competitive options available there are quite a few reasons why the card MUST be a high end Nvidia card:

A) While gaming is part of it, it's no longer the main reason for the upgrade as I am interested in taking advantage of Nvidia's superior ray/path tracing capabilities outside of gaming and in creation software tools such as unreal 5.

B) I am also interested in making use of regenerative AI for which Nvidia cards come highly recommended.

C) In order to take full advantage of these features, I have to invest in one of the higher tier card with enough Vram and bus speed so that it can render high res objects and polygons smoothly. Which is why anything less than a 4070 TI Super is a waste.

Why not simply get the 4080/4090?

Unfortunately money is a big factor and since I no longer live in the US, we are slow to adopt the new price changes. 4080s are still being sold for their original $1200 price tag and given our dirt cheap currency rating, even a $500 card would be considered extravagant.

I am also concerned about the build quality of these high end cards as they tend to have a single power connector that can easily burn. Since I live in a country with tropical heat 24/7 yearly, the probability of the card burning out is far greater. It also doesn't help that 4080 is a behemoth of a card in size and I might struggle to find the space to fit into my ancient rig.

Why 4070 TI Super?

So while even the 4070 TI Super is still really expensive, push come to shove it's still a more reasonable purchase in comparison that offers similar levels of performance to a 4080 Super.

What about the 50 series?

Since there is nothing but a rumor indicating Nvidia will release their 50 series card in quarter 4 of this year, there is no real guarantee when their cards will be released. Even then they will likely release their premium tier hardware first and it will be some time before we actually see affordable prices for mid and lower tier cards. Since my 5700xt is on its way out, it's clear that it is on borrowed time and I could end up without a functioning PC much sooner than later.

So is 4070 TI Super a worthwhile expenditure for the reasons listed? Is there something about this card that I am not aware of and should avoid? From all the research I have done, it seems to strike that sweet spot for my needs in more ways than one without having to shell out over a grand. Thanks in advance for the replies. I am definitely not happy to have to deviate from my original plan but you can't outrun bad luck.

[Karumati]

The.Spaz.님이 먼저 게시:

The original plan was to skip the current generation of cards and eventually build a new rig around the 50 series but my 5700 XT is no longer reliable. It only used to crash randomly when I would play a demanding game but lately even checking my email might cause it to crash the display drivers and I would have to force reboot and re-install the drivers via device manager in order to get it to work again. I fear by the time the 50 series cards are introduced, I won't have a PC with working display.

Current Specs:
Cpu: i9 9900K
Mobo: Aorus Pro Wifi.
Ram: 16 GB
GPU: XFX RX 5700 XT THICC 3.
OS: Windows 10 Pro (64)

Anyway I am stuck mulling over my choice between the 4070 TI Super and the 4080 Super. I could use some advice on which GPU to invest in since I have not really used an Nvidia brand GPU since the 980. While AMD has significantly competitive options available there are quite a few reasons why the card MUST be a high end Nvidia card:

A) While gaming is part of it, it's no longer the main reason for the upgrade as I am interested in taking advantage of Nvidia's superior ray/path tracing capabilities outside of gaming and in creation software tools such as unreal 5.

B) I am also interested in making use of regenerative AI for which Nvidia cards come highly recommended.

C) In order to take full advantage of these features, I have to invest in one of the higher tier card with enough Vram and bus speed so that it can render high res objects and polygons smoothly. Which is why anything less than a 4070 TI Super is a waste.

Why not simply get the 4080/4090?

Unfortunately money is a big factor and since I no longer live in the US, we are slow to adopt the new price changes. 4080s are still being sold for their original $1200 price tag and given our dirt cheap currency rating, even a $500 card would be considered extravagant.

I am also concerned about the build quality of these high end cards as they tend to have a single power connector that can easily burn. Since I live in a country with tropical heat 24/7 yearly, the probability of the card burning out is far greater. It also doesn't help that 4080 is a behemoth of a card in size and I might struggle to find the space to fit into my ancient rig.

Why 4070 TI Super?

So while even the 4070 TI Super is still really expensive, push come to shove it's still a more reasonable purchase in comparison that offers similar levels of performance to a 4080 Super.

What about the 50 series?

Since there is nothing but a rumor indicating Nvidia will release their 50 series card in quarter 4 of this year, there is no real guarantee when their cards will be released. Even then they will likely release their premium tier hardware first and it will be some time before we actually see affordable prices for mid and lower tier cards. Since my 5700xt is on its way out, it's clear that it is on borrowed time and I could end up without a functioning PC much sooner than later.

So is 4070 TI Super a worthwhile expenditure for the reasons listed? Is there something about this card that I am not aware of and should avoid? From all the research I have done, it seems to strike that sweet spot for my needs in more ways than one without having to shell out over a grand. Thanks in advance for the replies. I am definitely not happy to have to deviate from my original plan but you can't outrun bad luck.

you will need better cpu for 50 series if you don't want to be bottlenecked, same goes for 40 series tho.

[Freqsync]

32 GB GPU would wait for.

What has been stated is 4070 was left up to manufacturers.
words super or ti have become meaningless.

Try for at least 256 bit if have been working with less memory interface
There is a 4080 384 bit memory interface.


Buying a 8-16GB 4070 possible dependent if pre existing monitor will be as straight forward connect a proper cable and everything runs smooth

Unless plan to attempt trying on a 40hz 60hz 75 hz 100 hz 120 hz 144 hz and so forth to see the best possible outcome with resolution changes for that house of mirrors appeal.

Then there is the size of the card mounting have to consider.



Whatever causes this card to need replacement is going to happen again. Possible fan swap outs, crimped power cable, motherboard bowing or ports separation. Plenty of excuses to buy a new one.

Course a faulty power supply, or lack of power from where ever getting it from whether outlet and so forth could be a true concern before even attempting making another purchase.

[_I_]

depends on the games you want to play

new games are still geared for cpus around 5-10 years old, even at higher settings

if you want higher res or graphic settings, just a better gpu is all you need


as for waiting, its always best to wait as long as possible
new release should make more available on the market, and lower prices of older gpus

[Tonepoet]

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

depends on the games you want to play

new games are still geared for cpus around 5-10 years old, even at higher settings

if you want higher res or graphic settings, just a better gpu is all you need


as for waiting, its always best to wait as long as possible
new release should make more available on the market, and lower prices of older gpus

If this was just for games that would be true, but the Spaz has professional applications, so waiting as long as possible isn't necessarily advisable if it costs him prospective earnings in the meantime.

[The.Spaz.]

So then it's decided that the 4070 TI Super would make a great upgrade/replacement in my case. Thank you all for your advice. I truly appreciate it.

I get the feeling the new nvidia cards are going to be disappointing. They will likely try to keep similar prices but the card might be aimed for a different crowd.

[The.Spaz.]

Karumati님이 먼저 게시:

The.Spaz.님이 먼저 게시:

The original plan was to skip the current generation of cards and eventually build a new rig around the 50 series but my 5700 XT is no longer reliable. It only used to crash randomly when I would play a demanding game but lately even checking my email might cause it to crash the display drivers and I would have to force reboot and re-install the drivers via device manager in order to get it to work again. I fear by the time the 50 series cards are introduced, I won't have a PC with working display.

Current Specs:
Cpu: i9 9900K
Mobo: Aorus Pro Wifi.
Ram: 16 GB
GPU: XFX RX 5700 XT THICC 3.
OS: Windows 10 Pro (64)

Anyway I am stuck mulling over my choice between the 4070 TI Super and the 4080 Super. I could use some advice on which GPU to invest in since I have not really used an Nvidia brand GPU since the 980. While AMD has significantly competitive options available there are quite a few reasons why the card MUST be a high end Nvidia card:

A) While gaming is part of it, it's no longer the main reason for the upgrade as I am interested in taking advantage of Nvidia's superior ray/path tracing capabilities outside of gaming and in creation software tools such as unreal 5.

B) I am also interested in making use of regenerative AI for which Nvidia cards come highly recommended.

C) In order to take full advantage of these features, I have to invest in one of the higher tier card with enough Vram and bus speed so that it can render high res objects and polygons smoothly. Which is why anything less than a 4070 TI Super is a waste.

Why not simply get the 4080/4090?

Unfortunately money is a big factor and since I no longer live in the US, we are slow to adopt the new price changes. 4080s are still being sold for their original $1200 price tag and given our dirt cheap currency rating, even a $500 card would be considered extravagant.

I am also concerned about the build quality of these high end cards as they tend to have a single power connector that can easily burn. Since I live in a country with tropical heat 24/7 yearly, the probability of the card burning out is far greater. It also doesn't help that 4080 is a behemoth of a card in size and I might struggle to find the space to fit into my ancient rig.

Why 4070 TI Super?

So while even the 4070 TI Super is still really expensive, push come to shove it's still a more reasonable purchase in comparison that offers similar levels of performance to a 4080 Super.

What about the 50 series?

Since there is nothing but a rumor indicating Nvidia will release their 50 series card in quarter 4 of this year, there is no real guarantee when their cards will be released. Even then they will likely release their premium tier hardware first and it will be some time before we actually see affordable prices for mid and lower tier cards. Since my 5700xt is on its way out, it's clear that it is on borrowed time and I could end up without a functioning PC much sooner than later.

So is 4070 TI Super a worthwhile expenditure for the reasons listed? Is there something about this card that I am not aware of and should avoid? From all the research I have done, it seems to strike that sweet spot for my needs in more ways than one without having to shell out over a grand. Thanks in advance for the replies. I am definitely not happy to have to deviate from my original plan but you can't outrun bad luck.

you will need better cpu for 50 series if you don't want to be bottlenecked, same goes for 40 series tho.

I will be eventually building a new PC from scratch so that limitation is something that I can live with as long as it's not actively crashing on me like the 5700XT has begun doing.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Your CPU isn't even good enough for RTX.4070 / 4080 let alone RTX 50 series

Get on at least Intel 12th Gen i7 or better

Well the Radeon 5xxx series is just terrible. A 6600 XT would possibly do better and be more stable if 1080p is your aim

[Tonepoet]

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Your CPU isn't even good enough for RTX.4070 / 4080 let alone RTX 50 series

Get on at least Intel 12th Gen i7 or better

Well the Radeon 5xxx series is just terrible. A 6600 XT would possibly do better and be more stable if 1080p is your aim

He already addressed that. His G.P.U. sounds like it is starting to fail (intermittent crashing) and he's planning on building a new system soon anyway. It makes more sense to buy the graphics card first in this situation and save up for the rest later, even if it is bottlenecked for the time being.

The.Spaz.님이 먼저 게시:

So then it's decided that the 4070 TI Super would make a great upgrade/replacement in my case. Thank you all for your advice. I truly appreciate it.

I get the feeling the new nvidia cards are going to be disappointing. They will likely try to keep similar prices but the card might be aimed for a different crowd.

I'd nab the 4080 super. The 20% price reduction from the 4080 changes the price to performance dynamic a fair bit. It only costs 25% more than the 4070 ti Super, and you're getting 20% extra performance. Granted, that's not 1:1 parity, but you can expect diminishing returns higher up the stack. Also, that's about the amount of extra performance you'd expect to get from a generational uplift anyway, for just $200.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yes I realsed that after I posted, sorry I jumped the gun with a reply since I was on my Phone sometimes hard to go through and read every little thing.

Yes either GPU would be fine, if you can snag a 4080 of any kind and you don't mind the pricing per performance, sure grab it. Just know you won't get nearly the full performance (but it will work fine at the same time too) on your current PC Specs until you either do an over-haul upgrade or build a new PC. Then carry that GPU over to it.

One issue though with modern hardware; if you plan to stay on Windows OS, then a clean install of Win11 23H2 (or the upcoming 24H2) will be a must. Modern CPUs generally do not work as well or as fast when using them on Win10. Especially the Intel 12th Gen and newer or Ryzen 7xxx series or newer.

[Holografix]

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Yes I realsed that after I posted, sorry I jumped the gun with a reply since I was on my Phone sometimes hard to go through and read every little thing.

Yes either GPU would be fine, if you can snag a 4080 of any kind and you don't mind the pricing per performance, sure grab it. Just know you won't get nearly the full performance (but it will work fine at the same time too) on your current PC Specs until you either do an over-haul upgrade or build a new PC. Then carry that GPU over to it.

One issue though with modern hardware; if you plan to stay on Windows OS, then a clean install of Win11 23H2 (or the upcoming 24H2) will be a must. Modern CPUs generally do not work as well or as fast when using them on Win10. Especially the Intel 12th Gen and newer or Ryzen 7xxx series or newer.

so you recommend Windows 11 for 13th gen Intel cpus and higher?

[Karumati]

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

Bad 💀 Motha님이 먼저 게시:

Yes I realsed that after I posted, sorry I jumped the gun with a reply since I was on my Phone sometimes hard to go through and read every little thing.

Yes either GPU would be fine, if you can snag a 4080 of any kind and you don't mind the pricing per performance, sure grab it. Just know you won't get nearly the full performance (but it will work fine at the same time too) on your current PC Specs until you either do an over-haul upgrade or build a new PC. Then carry that GPU over to it.

One issue though with modern hardware; if you plan to stay on Windows OS, then a clean install of Win11 23H2 (or the upcoming 24H2) will be a must. Modern CPUs generally do not work as well or as fast when using them on Win10. Especially the Intel 12th Gen and newer or Ryzen 7xxx series or newer.

so you recommend Windows 11 for 13th gen Intel cpus and higher?

You kinda have to go for win 11 with latest intel cpu’s if you want it to work properly

[Holografix]

Karumati님이 먼저 게시:

Holografix님이 먼저 게시:

so you recommend Windows 11 for 13th gen Intel cpus and higher?

You kinda have to go for win 11 with latest intel cpu’s if you want it to work properly

i'm running an i5 13600k on win 10. no problems that i can see.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Waiting for hardware to come out is stupid.
You are either going to wate until new and fancy hardware comes out, then maybe wait what the competition does, then wait a little longer until the price drops, then you remember that black friday or something like that is coming in a month or two.
repeat

The only thing I would wait for personally is AMD releasing driver updates addressing system stability, as you aren't losing money just waiting. Maybe try driver downgrades if that's a thing. You don't need to latest drivers, at least if you aren't running the latest games which receive driver level optimizations.