The.Spaz. Apr 18, 2024 @ 6:00am
4070 TI Super VS 4080 Super or wait for the 50 series?
The original plan was to skip the current generation of cards and eventually build a new rig around the 50 series but my 5700 XT is no longer reliable. It only used to crash randomly when I would play a demanding game but lately even checking my email might cause it to crash the display drivers and I would have to force reboot and re-install the drivers via device manager in order to get it to work again. I fear by the time the 50 series cards are introduced, I won't have a PC with working display.

Current Specs:
Cpu: i9 9900K
Mobo: Aorus Pro Wifi.
Ram: 16 GB
GPU: XFX RX 5700 XT THICC 3.
OS: Windows 10 Pro (64)

Anyway I am stuck mulling over my choice between the 4070 TI Super and the 4080 Super. I could use some advice on which GPU to invest in since I have not really used an Nvidia brand GPU since the 980. While AMD has significantly competitive options available there are quite a few reasons why the card MUST be a high end Nvidia card:

A) While gaming is part of it, it's no longer the main reason for the upgrade as I am interested in taking advantage of Nvidia's superior ray/path tracing capabilities outside of gaming and in creation software tools such as unreal 5.

B) I am also interested in making use of regenerative AI for which Nvidia cards come highly recommended.

C) In order to take full advantage of these features, I have to invest in one of the higher tier card with enough Vram and bus speed so that it can render high res objects and polygons smoothly. Which is why anything less than a 4070 TI Super is a waste.

Why not simply get the 4080/4090?

Unfortunately money is a big factor and since I no longer live in the US, we are slow to adopt the new price changes. 4080s are still being sold for their original $1200 price tag and given our dirt cheap currency rating, even a $500 card would be considered extravagant.

I am also concerned about the build quality of these high end cards as they tend to have a single power connector that can easily burn. Since I live in a country with tropical heat 24/7 yearly, the probability of the card burning out is far greater. It also doesn't help that 4080 is a behemoth of a card in size and I might struggle to find the space to fit into my ancient rig.

Why 4070 TI Super?

So while even the 4070 TI Super is still really expensive, push come to shove it's still a more reasonable purchase in comparison that offers similar levels of performance to a 4080 Super.

What about the 50 series?

Since there is nothing but a rumor indicating Nvidia will release their 50 series card in quarter 4 of this year, there is no real guarantee when their cards will be released. Even then they will likely release their premium tier hardware first and it will be some time before we actually see affordable prices for mid and lower tier cards. Since my 5700xt is on its way out, it's clear that it is on borrowed time and I could end up without a functioning PC much sooner than later.

So is 4070 TI Super a worthwhile expenditure for the reasons listed? Is there something about this card that I am not aware of and should avoid? From all the research I have done, it seems to strike that sweet spot for my needs in more ways than one without having to shell out over a grand. Thanks in advance for the replies. I am definitely not happy to have to deviate from my original plan but you can't outrun bad luck.
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nullable Apr 18, 2024 @ 6:16am 
Do you need an upgrade now? If not then wait away. If you do need and upgrade, can you wait another 6-7 months? Longer if you're not going to buy the flagship card. Might be Q1 2025 before midrange cards are available. And what is the GPU market going to look like then? No crypto booms or chip shortages? Hard thing to predict.

Just remember that a 50 series card isn't going to cripple a 4070 or 4080.
Zygfryd Apr 18, 2024 @ 6:40am 
Why not a used 3090?

That's what I got instead of a 4070, for a similar price. The I/O shield was bent, but I ordered a new one from AliEx.
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Rumpelcrutchskin Apr 18, 2024 @ 7:17am 
Can take a year until 5000 series launch.
They both use 12+4 pin plug so if you have older PSU you need to use the adapter.
If you use 1440p monitor then 4070 Ti Super is enough, if 4K or 1440p ultrawide then better 4080 Super.
emoticorpse Apr 18, 2024 @ 7:34am 
I'd wait
Guydodge Apr 18, 2024 @ 8:46am 
theres always something new coming out.its the game."wait a year" then what ? oh the 6000 series is coming out ! you should wait some more.if you found a card in your price range and its going to give you the performance you want buy it.waiting on the next best thing is a fools game.
and to think they are going to make the 1080ti mistake again dont bet on it.the performance
on that card was one of nvidias biggest mistakes it cut into their profits to much they wont
make that same mistake twice !!!
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The.Spaz. Apr 18, 2024 @ 9:25am 
Originally posted by nullable:
Do you need an upgrade now? If not then wait away. If you do need and upgrade, can you wait another 6-7 months? Longer if you're not going to buy the flagship card. Might be Q1 2025 before midrange cards are available. And what is the GPU market going to look like then? No crypto booms or chip shortages? Hard thing to predict.

Just remember that a 50 series card isn't going to cripple a 4070 or 4080.

The symptoms are steadily getting worse. Used to be that it only crashed if I played demanding games but now it just crashes with any game I play. It just crashed last night at the two hour mark while I was playing Dishonored 2... now its bleeding into just basic activities like watching a youtube video. As long as I am not playing anything, the crashes are random. It could go for days without any issues but can crash within the next 24 hrs. I am guessing this too will also become quite frequent over time. At best I can probably squeeze another three months before my PC becomes completely unusable but not enough time for the new reveal.

If it were upto me, I would save my money and wait but my hand is being forced so I want to make sure I get a card that will keep me satisfied well after the 50 series has been revealed along with revisions at affordable prices.
The.Spaz. Apr 18, 2024 @ 9:43am 
Originally posted by Zygfryd:
Why not a used 3090?

That's what I got instead of a 4070, for a similar price. The I/O shield was bent, but I ordered a new one from AliEx.

I did much rather invest in a new card with updated architecture that would last me longer for that price. The 3090 is a fast card with insane amount of Vram but it's also hitting its limitation with the outdated architecture. I did much rather get a card that will allow me to skip much of the next generation of cards to the end where there are a lot revised and affordable options.
The.Spaz. Apr 18, 2024 @ 9:45am 
Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:
Can take a year until 5000 series launch.
They both use 12+4 pin plug so if you have older PSU you need to use the adapter.
If you use 1440p monitor then 4070 Ti Super is enough, if 4K or 1440p ultrawide then better 4080 Super.

I have yet to get into 2k gaming much less 4k. I am still getting used to 1440p so resolution isn't that much of variable for me. I am fine using a regular monitor as long as I am able to take advantage of other things like RT and regenerative AI coding outside of games.
The.Spaz. Apr 18, 2024 @ 9:50am 
Originally posted by Guydodge:
theres always something new coming out.its the game."wait a year" then what ? oh the 6000 series is coming out ! you should wait some more.if you found a card in your price range and its going to give you the performance you want buy it.waiting on the next best thing is a fools game.
and to think they are going to make the 1080ti mistake again dont bet on it.the performance
on that card was one of nvidias biggest mistakes it cut into their profits to much they wont
make that same mistake twice !!!

But it's no longer just about being able to play the games on max settings. I am looking leverage the additional features that come with Nvidia's product into making games with the Unreal engine 5 along with the use of regenerative AI.
Tonepoet Apr 18, 2024 @ 1:03pm 
Sometimes it's not about saving money. Sometimes it's about making money. When you have a professional application, it doesn't make sense to wait for something to save a few bucks for the next big thing if by the time that new thing came out you could've made as much money as you would have saved by waiting.

The rumor mill anticipates a 5000 series card in q4 2024 or q1 2025 at the very earliest.[www.techradar.com] The only thing we know for certain is that 5000 series should be out before 2026, because they showed a presentation with the 5000 series with a timeline showing the cards being released in 2025.[www.pcmag.com].

Now personally, I think Nvidia would do well to release the 5000 series sooner rather than later. Intel will release Battlemage sometime this year[www.techpowerup.com]. That much is confirmed by Intel. Similarly the 2022-2024 roadmap for A.M.D. suggests that they're releasing their 8000 series G.P.Us. sometime this year too.[wccftech.com] It'd be a pretty major blow for Nvidia if the whole graphics market was shaken up by their competitors, esp. if a hypothetical 8900 xtx overtook the 4090 and an 8900 xt overtook the 4080 Super. Nvidia can't compete with A.M.D. and intel down in the dirt on price with their current products, so I think what really keeps them afloat is their higher end products.

However, with that having been said, Nvidia is almost certain to release the top of their stack first with 90 and 80 sku cards. It'll take a while longer for the mid range products to enter the stack. So the question has to be this: How much money is it worth to you to get a G.P.U. upgrade in the intervening 9 months? If you could earn enough extra money by making a G.P.U. upgrade now that you could outright buy a 5080 (possibly after selling the 4070 ti super), then it does not make sense to wait.

Another thing to consider isn't just how many jobs you can take, but also the worth of the work experience. How much is 6-9 months worth of work experience with regenerative A.I. worth to you?

Simply put, the question for a professional is less "how much can I save" and more "can I afford to wait?" No advice can be given without knowing the difference it makes to your earning potential.


So is 4070 TI Super a worthwhile expenditure for the reasons listed?

The only thing I can really think of is that for the amount of extra time you've spent waiting the super refresh cards aren't that much better. You're looking at say maybe a 5% performance bump? It would've probably been a better investment to buy the earlier versions, well, earlier. Hindsight is 20/20 though and at least it's something.
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The.Spaz. Apr 18, 2024 @ 1:59pm 
Originally posted by Tonepoet:

The only thing I can really think of is that for the amount of extra time you've spent waiting the super refresh cards aren't that much better. You're looking at say maybe a 5% performance bump? It would've probably been a better investment to buy the earlier versions, well, earlier. Hindsight is 20/20 though and at least it's something.

Going by your logic and considering that it has only been less than a handful of months since the release of the 4070 Ti Super, wouldn't this be the ideal time to purchase it as its still pretty early in it's life cycle? I have to imagine these cards won't go obsolete as soon as the next gen arrives. Unless Nvidia completely ditches their architecture and introduces something new, I imagine these recently released cards would be built to take advantage of future software updates and features.
pwnograffik Apr 18, 2024 @ 3:01pm 
If you want NVIDIA then out of the options listed I would choose the 4070 Ti Super. That is what I upgraded to <2 months ago and it crushes everything at 1440p and more than pulls it's weight at 4k. You can save some money buying used instead of new.
possibly try cleaning heatsink and putting on new thermal paste
Holografix Apr 18, 2024 @ 5:45pm 
wait for the 5000 series
Tonepoet Apr 19, 2024 @ 2:23am 
Originally posted by The.Spaz.:
Originally posted by Tonepoet:

The only thing I can really think of is that for the amount of extra time you've spent waiting the super refresh cards aren't that much better. You're looking at say maybe a 5% performance bump? It would've probably been a better investment to buy the earlier versions, well, earlier. Hindsight is 20/20 though and at least it's something.

Going by your logic and considering that it has only been less than a handful of months since the release of the 4070 Ti Super, wouldn't this be the ideal time to purchase it as its still pretty early in it's life cycle? I have to imagine these cards won't go obsolete as soon as the next gen arrives. Unless Nvidia completely ditches their architecture and introduces something new, I imagine these recently released cards would be built to take advantage of future software updates and features.

Earlier is better under my hypothesis. The ideal time would've been a handful of months ago, but otherwise, sooner is still better. Also, the hypothesis only works if you can actually realize extra profit in the meantime. All I'm saying is that you need to weigh up your opportunity cost versus the potential savings.

Also, what I'm saying is for the amount you waited from the 4070 ti, to the Super Refresh Card, it's a pretty poor return on the lost opportunity.

The 4070 Super sees more like a 14% gain from the 4070, whereas the 4080 Super only gets a 3% gain in performance, but also a 20% drop in M.S.R.P. A 5% gain in performance for the same price isn't very much of a benefit to be realized from the amount of time you already spent waiting. Granted, the Ti Super also has more V.R.A.M. than the base ti, which is likely why you are considering it in the first place, but still the the 4070 ti super is the loser in price to performance gains in the super refresh. Also, you have to realize that percentages are proportionate, so that 3% gain might not seem as quite as impressive as a 5% gain, but it may be more comparable than you' think.

Granted, there's a hypothesis that the stack is engineered in such a way as to encourage such an upsell by gimping the previous two tiers of product, but even if you find such marketing tactics repugnant, you can't really rebel since you're locked into team green anyway.
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