Looking to upgrade from i5 8600k

[Bing Chilling]

So first off ill mention im in canada so i use canadian websites and currency
it's far to expensive to import US products and used market isn't great here.

anyways with that out of the way, im willing to spend about $300 (give or take 100$)
i was looking at the r5 5600 and a MSI B550 mobo (after tax they are $377.00 CAD)

i know these platforms on are on end of life, but AM5 is quite abit more
atleast on amazon and newegg, i'm fine with intel too but i haven't seen anything
that beats the above offer.

Are there other better deals i should be looking at that are based in canada?
(or atleast if i import them are they going to be cheaper, duty tax and import tax is insane)

This build is purely for gaming i will mention, i don't do any production.
so gaming performance is my main goal.

[N3tRunn3r]

For now I would suggest to invest into RAM and a new EVGA PSU.

2x 16 GB in dual channel mode.
Minimum 850 W EVGA PSU 80+ GOLD or better (100% Japanese Capacitors only!)
And switch over to NVMe m.2 SSD as your drive/s.

Overclock your 8600K if you havent yet. This is why buying K-series to overclock in future.

All latest 13th and 14th Gen processors need super intense cooling systems as huger AIO's, as not even the biggest compatible CPU air fan can cool down these .. For example you need to undervolt a 13900K from 253W down to 80W ...

If you have saved enough money, buy a new complete system ..

[Illusion of Progress]

AM4 is totally fine for a new build for a lower budget. Most of the people buying AM5 today probably aren't going to want to change CPU until after the next platform is around anyway, so most of the "it has future upgrade potential" claims never get cashed in so to speak. I'm personally only expecting AM5 to see one more formal generation with Zen 5, and not many people do a single gen to gen upgrade. So yes, AM4/Zen 3 is fine for this. It's still good performance.

I'm not sure about Canada, but the Intel 12th generation (namely, the 12600KF and somewhat the 12700KF) have nearly unbeatable value right now. The 12th generation is faster performance per core than any Zen 3 part (the X3D will best it in gaming, but not outside gaming), and the extra e-cores additionally help with multi-threaded workloads. I know you mentioned gaming, but unless you go for an X3D, the 12th generation is faster than Zen 3 there still while also having the non-gaming perks. As for cooling, as long as you don't overclock it to the moon, I expect a 12600KF to be reasonable to cool (and Zen 3 runs warm too anyway, though the cooling floor is probably a bit lower on a Ryzen 5 5600).

If the 12600KF and the motherboard/RAM don't push it much above pricing for what you see on the AM4 options, I'd probably go that route. I do admit I'd try and pair DDR5 with any LGA 1700 CPU which will push the cost up a bit, but even with budget DDR4 it's likely to be faster still.

[Karumati]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bing Chilling:

So first off ill mention im in canada so i use canadian websites and currency
it's far to expensive to import US products and used market isn't great here.

anyways with that out of the way, im willing to spend about $300 (give or take 100$)
i was looking at the r5 5600 and a MSI B550 mobo (after tax they are $377.00 CAD)

i know these platforms on are on end of life, but AM5 is quite abit more
atleast on amazon and newegg, i'm fine with intel too but i haven't seen anything
that beats the above offer.

Are there other better deals i should be looking at that are based in canada?
(or atleast if i import them are they going to be cheaper, duty tax and import tax is insane)

This build is purely for gaming i will mention, i don't do any production.
so gaming performance is my main goal.

Get 5700x3d/5800x3d, it will last you longer

[Tonepoet]

I wouldn't assume Bing Chilling ever intended to overclock the processor. Sometimes the market works out so that K sku is cheaper, and it might have been bought in a prebuilt system. Plus, on such a tight budget, I doubt Bing can afford to potentially sacrifice his chip to the overclocking gods on this budget if he has not tried, and we can't assume he hasn't already overclocked the processor anyway.

$400 C.A.D. is only $295 U.S.D. which is a bit tight. We're only looking at AM4 and DDR4 compatible LGA 1700 motherboards so you can reuse your existing R.A.M. sticks at this price. Be warned that some LGA 1700 motherboards use D.D.R. 5.

Before I go any further though, are we talking about just the motherboard and the processor, or a whole build?

If we are talking about a whole build, what parts are in your current computer? I'd like to know what we can potentially reuse, if anything. I want to know the models of everything.

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tonepoet:

I wouldn't assume Bing Chilling ever intended to overclock the processor. Sometimes the market works out so that K sku is cheaper, and it might have bought it in a prebuilt system. Plus, on such a tight budget, I doubt Bing can afford to potentially sacrifice his chip to the overclocking gods on this budget if he has not tried, and we can't assume he hasn't already overclocked the processor anyway.

$400 C.A.D. is only $295 U.S.D. which is a bit tight. We're only looking at AM4 and DDR4 compatible LGA 1700 motherboards so you can reuse your existing R.A.M. sticks at this price. Be warned that some LGA 1700 motherboards use D.D.R. 5.

Before I go any further though, are we talking about just the motherboard and the processor, or a whole build?

If we are talking about a whole build, what parts are in your current computer? I'd like to know what we can potentially reuse, if anything. I want to know the models of everything.

the 400 is only for the mobo and cpu. im planning to re use as much as i can from the current build.

i have ddr4 3200mhz currently but am willing to upgrade to ddr5 later. though from what i know there aren't boards that support both. upgrading to ddr5 right now is not something i'd like to spend more on but if a part that requires it is "sooo much better" i could throw another 100$ in for ram i guess. but the CPU and mobo still need to be under that 400$ also the cpu is at 4.8ghz atm. it's fine but multiplayer games struggle hard with only 6 cores (no hyper threading) right now, especially with youtube and discord open.

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Karumati:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bing Chilling:

So first off ill mention im in canada so i use canadian websites and currency
it's far to expensive to import US products and used market isn't great here.

anyways with that out of the way, im willing to spend about $300 (give or take 100$)
i was looking at the r5 5600 and a MSI B550 mobo (after tax they are $377.00 CAD)

i know these platforms on are on end of life, but AM5 is quite abit more
atleast on amazon and newegg, i'm fine with intel too but i haven't seen anything
that beats the above offer.

Are there other better deals i should be looking at that are based in canada?
(or atleast if i import them are they going to be cheaper, duty tax and import tax is insane)

This build is purely for gaming i will mention, i don't do any production.
so gaming performance is my main goal.

Get 5700x3d/5800x3d, it will last you longer

they are far out of what im willing to spend, it's not like the US where they are almost the same price, a 5700x3d is 347.99 cad and the 5800x3d is 409.00 cad
(both before +12% taxes)

i'm not willing to spend more then 400$ cad on a mobo and a cpu.

[Illusion of Progress]

If you already have 3,200 MHz DDR4, then look at pricing for the Ryzen 5 5600 (might even want to consider the Ryzen 7 5700X if core count is a concern) and a B550 AM4 board, and compare it to a Core i5 12600KF and whatever LGA 1700 board would work good with that (I'm not as up to date on Intel's side on if the top chipset is still "necessary").

If pricing is close between the two, I'd take the 12600KF since it's faster (and compared to the 5600 has more cores/threads; if comparing to the 5700X it's the age old "more cores but slower cores versus less cores but faster cores" choice). If that stretches your budget too much, then go with AM4.

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Illusion of Progress:

If you already have 3,200 MHz DDR4, then look at pricing for the Ryzen 5 5600 (might even want to consider the Ryzen 7 5700X if core count is a concern) and a B550 AM4 board, and compare it to a Core i5 12600KF and whatever LGA 1700 board would work good with that (I'm not as up to date on Intel's side on if the top chipset is still "necessary").

If pricing is close between the two, I'd take the 12600KF since it's faster (and compared to the 5600 has more cores/threads; if comparing to the 5700X it's the age old "more cores but slower cores versus less cores but faster cores" choice). If that stretches your budget too much, then go with AM4.

that's what i was looking at if you see the og post
the R5 5600 and a msi b550 are $377.00 CAD after taxes.
also the Ryzen 7 5700X is almost $300 on it's own so it's kinda out of the question.
(cad prices suck ik)

i haven't looked into the 12600kf yet so ill check it out.
though doesn't intel still require a Z series motherboard to OC the core? (not XMP)

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Illusion of Progress:

If pricing is close between the two, I'd take the 12600KF since it's faster (and compared to the 5600 has more cores/threads; if comparing to the 5700X it's the age old "more cores but slower cores versus less cores but faster cores" choice). If that stretches your budget too much, then go with AM4.

seems the 12600kf is $230 cad
also seems like any decent (non H mobo) is close to $200 cad
best i found was a MSI "PRO Z690-A" for $174 before taxes
so i guess the only real option for this price is that r5 5600

[Karumati]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bing Chilling:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Karumati:

Get 5700x3d/5800x3d, it will last you longer

they are far out of what im willing to spend, it's not like the US where they are almost the same price, a 5700x3d is 347.99 cad and the 5800x3d is 409.00 cad
(both before +12% taxes)

i'm not willing to spend more then 400$ cad on a mobo and a cpu.

It would be worth it though

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Karumati:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bing Chilling:

they are far out of what im willing to spend, it's not like the US where they are almost the same price, a 5700x3d is 347.99 cad and the 5800x3d is 409.00 cad
(both before +12% taxes)

i'm not willing to spend more then 400$ cad on a mobo and a cpu.

It would be worth it though

sorry but the 400$ for both is firm.

spending double on the cpu for what i gain is just not worth it imo
roughly 30% bump for double the price .

[Illusion of Progress]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bing Chilling:

that's what i was looking at if you see the og post
the R5 5600 and a msi b550 are $377.00 CAD after taxes.
also the Ryzen 7 5700X is almost $300 on it's own so it's kinda out of the question.
(cad prices suck ik)

i haven't looked into the 12600kf yet so ill check it out.
though doesn't intel still require a Z series motherboard to OC the core? (not XMP)

I mean, yes, I saw the original post. That's why I was mentioning AM4 and the 5600 in both of my replies as a baseline. The 12600KF and 5700X were merely listed as alternatives in case pricing allowed them. The 5600/X are the two that don't make sense here right now (5500 is much cheaper, and 5700X isn't much more expensive) and I'm not familiar with Canadian pricing.

Keep in mind that while an overclocked 12600KF will outperform a stock one, it's not like it would need overclocked to its limits to justify itself if it's already better at stock than a 5600 is. But that doesn't matter now since I listed it in case it fit within your budget but apparently it doesn't. If AM4 is all that fits into your budget, then it sounds like that answers your own post. You can either go with AM4 or stick with what you have and save.

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Illusion of Progress:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bing Chilling:

that's what i was looking at if you see the og post
the R5 5600 and a msi b550 are $377.00 CAD after taxes.
also the Ryzen 7 5700X is almost $300 on it's own so it's kinda out of the question.
(cad prices suck ik)

i haven't looked into the 12600kf yet so ill check it out.
though doesn't intel still require a Z series motherboard to OC the core? (not XMP)

I mean, yes, I saw the original post. That's why I was mentioning AM4 and the 5600 in both of my replies as a baseline. The 12600KF and 5700X were merely listed as alternatives in case pricing allowed them. The 5600/X are the two that don't make sense here right now (5500 is much cheaper, and 5700X isn't much more expensive) and I'm not familiar with Canadian pricing.

Keep in mind that while an overclocked 12600KF will outperform a stock one, it's not like it would need overclocked to its limits to justify itself if it's already better at stock than a 5600 is. But that doesn't matter now since I listed it in case it fit within your budget but apparently it doesn't. If AM4 is all that fits into your budget, then it sounds like that answers your own post. You can either go with AM4 or stick with what you have and save.

i mean thats fair enough but yeah the 5700x is almost 100$ more
and the 5500 is nearly 100$ less (kinda funny)

though you're right i guess i did answer my own question

one thing though as you mentioned. the stock 12600kf is faster then the 5600
i could make it fit in the budget if it went with a h610 series motherboard

a 12600kf with a h610 is basically the same price as the 5600 and a b550
after taxes. are H610 motherboards worth even considering?

[Karumati]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bing Chilling:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Illusion of Progress:

I mean, yes, I saw the original post. That's why I was mentioning AM4 and the 5600 in both of my replies as a baseline. The 12600KF and 5700X were merely listed as alternatives in case pricing allowed them. The 5600/X are the two that don't make sense here right now (5500 is much cheaper, and 5700X isn't much more expensive) and I'm not familiar with Canadian pricing.

Keep in mind that while an overclocked 12600KF will outperform a stock one, it's not like it would need overclocked to its limits to justify itself if it's already better at stock than a 5600 is. But that doesn't matter now since I listed it in case it fit within your budget but apparently it doesn't. If AM4 is all that fits into your budget, then it sounds like that answers your own post. You can either go with AM4 or stick with what you have and save.

i mean thats fair enough but yeah the 5700x is almost 100$ and the 5500 is nearly 100$ less
(kinda funny)

though you're right i guess i did answer my own question

one thing though as you mentioned. the stock 12600kf is faster then the 5600
i could make it fit in the budget if it went with a h610 series motherboard

a 12600kf with a h610 is basically the same price as the 5600 and a b550
after taxes. are H610 motherboards worth even considering?

h610 motherboard with kf processor is a waste of processor's potential

[Bing Chilling]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Karumati:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bing Chilling:

i mean thats fair enough but yeah the 5700x is almost 100$ and the 5500 is nearly 100$ less
(kinda funny)

though you're right i guess i did answer my own question

one thing though as you mentioned. the stock 12600kf is faster then the 5600
i could make it fit in the budget if it went with a h610 series motherboard

a 12600kf with a h610 is basically the same price as the 5600 and a b550
after taxes. are H610 motherboards worth even considering?

h610 motherboard with kf processor is a waste of processor's potential

sure, but it's still faster stock then the 5600 for the same price
i'm just curious to know if that performance gain is worth going with such a limited mobo